Malachi 1:1-2:7 and Matt 10:1-11:30 (and a bit more on Esau)

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BenAvraham

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MAL 1:1-2:7

The prophet speaks and writes through the Ruach HaKodesh (Holy Spirit) “Jacob have I loved, but Esau I have hated”. You ask, “isn't God love?” isn't God all about love? Why does he “hate poor Esau?” The word “hate” has the same meaning as “reject”. YHVH who is “all-knowing” knew even before Esau was born that he would reject HIM, so, YHVH rejected Esau!

However, did you know that in some ways, "Esau" can symbolize "Messiah Yeshua?" I was surprised at this but I learned something interesting from a Messianic rabbi in Israel concerning Esau, and I would like to share it. The Hebrew name "Esau" using Hebrew letters consists of the letters "Ayin" "Sheen" and "Vav". Only three letters, pronounced "Esav" which means "hairy" the other name for Esau is "Edom" which means "red" and also contains the word "dam" which is "blood"

In Hebrew, we have the method of "gematria" which assigns numbers to each letter, and when two words have the same "sum" when adding the numbers, there is a relationship. The name "Esav" adds up to "376" and so does the word "Shalom" (Peace) = 370. So, could we say that in real life, Esau was a bloody-man? since he was a hunter of game and Isaac loved the venison that he hunted? I guess so. Was he a warrior? Scripture does not say but he did meet Jacob after 20 years with 400 armed men. Could he have been a mercenary? a soldier for hire? maybe. But we know that he was disinterested in the things of God, a worldly man. So how do Esau and Yeshua/Jesus compare? how are they similar? here are some ideas.

Esau spilled blood, (blood of animals, game, venison) Yeshua shed His own blood for our sins. Esau might have been a warrior, a man of war.
Yeshua declared war against Satan and triumphed over this same enemy at the Cross of Calvary. Yeshua is the "God of Peace" and made "peace" between lost mankind and the Father. Esau extended his hands towards Jacob (Israel) and forgave his brother for taking the precious birthright blessings by trickery. Esau received Israel in "peace" and not in anger or revenge. Scripture says that Esau was "perverse" in life, yet in his "name" we can see "Shalom" (peace) kind of interesting I would say. Also, the name "Esav" with the letters rearranged, almost spells out "Yeshua" (minus the "y")

Malachi also talks about polluted offerings and corrupt priests. No wonder God is fed up with Israel, they have gone “the way of Esau” offering God the “leftovers” and not offering with “pure hearts”. It is like today if we serve the LORD with less than our best, or only with “half a heart” or just because we feel we “have to” then, we are offering “polluted offerings” We should serve GOD with all we have, with the best we have, or not at all!

MATT 10:1-11:30

Yeshua sends out the twelve talmidim, to teach Torah and to share the word that Yeshua is Mashiach, and has fulfilled all the prophecies of the Torah. First to the “lost sheep of Israel” remember that Israel has been scattered to many different countries, many being absorbed by the nations, yet still remember their identity, but even in Israel, there are those who need to know the truth about Yeshua as Messiah, prophesied by Moshe and the prophets

The work and ministry of sharing/teaching the WORD of God is not a lone undertaking, it is to be shared by many, and ALL who have that calling. Even Yeshua, God in human form, could not be in all places at the same time, so he sent out his followers, to fulfill the “Great Commission”.

Today, we are equipped with the “gifts of the Spirit” to fulfill this great task, and today we have the internet to help spread the “Good News” whereas hundreds of years ago, only papers and books were available to those who took up that task. We are living in exciting times, let's take advantage of everything that is available to us today. Use all things to the glory of God.

ROM 9:6-13

Very interesting verses; “For not everyone from Israel is truly part of Israel. Indeed, not all descendants are from the seed of Abraham. From the Hebrew New Covenant it says; “Lo kol asher heim mi-Yisrael gam Yisrael” (not all of them who are from Israel also Israel).

If we remember, Abraham had two sons from the womb of Sarah, Ishmael and Yitzchak, even though both were his sons, the promise was in Yitzchak. The descendants of Ishmael are now the Arab countries. Can we say that they also have the same interests that all believers have? Are they not following another religion? Even though quite a few are born-again believers.

In Israel today we see quite a few cultures and people groups, but not all are direct descendants of Abraham. But let’s go a step further and say; “Not all have the faith of our father “Israel” and many in “Israel” have little or no faith at all, so, how can we have the faith of “Israel” and thus be part of “Am Yisrael?”

It is through the “Yeshua Connection” that we are connected to the “Truth” If we add up the gematria of both the words “Yeshua” and “Israel” and we take the final sum of 927, and add 9+2+7 we get 18, then 1+8 = 9. The number “9” is related to “Truth” (Emet) and that is one of the titles of Yeshua, …the way, the TRUTH, and the life..

So, to be a real part of “Am Yisrael” to be part of the “Covenant of Abraham” it doesn’t depend on blood relation, but “Spirit” relation. One can be a physical descendant of Abraham, and be lost and going to hell, but one can turn that relationship around and be “heaven-bound” through a personal relationship of Messiah Yeshua, the hope of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.


Ben Avraham

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Magenta

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ROM 9:6-13
Very interesting verses; “For not everyone from Israel is truly part of Israel. Indeed, not all descendants are from the seed of Abraham.
From the Hebrew New Covenant it says; “Lo kol asher heim mi-Yisrael gam Yisrael” (not all of them who are from Israel also Israel).
Rebekah was said to be carrying two nations in her womb :) The children inside her struggled with each other,
and she said, “Why is this happening to me?” So Rebekah went to inquire of the LORD, and He declared to her:
Two nations are in your womb, and two peoples from within you will be separated; one people will be stronger
than the other, and the older will serve the younger.”
Jacob becomes Israel, and Esau/Edomites an enemy of God.
Edomites later became known as Idumeans, of whom Herod was one... he who tried to kill the infant Jesus in Bethlehem.
 

Pilgrimshope

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Rebekah was said to be carrying two nations in her womb :) The children inside her struggled with each other,
and she said, “Why is this happening to me?” So Rebekah went to inquire of the LORD, and He declared to her:
Two nations are in your womb, and two peoples from within you will be separated; one people will be stronger
than the other, and the older will serve the younger.”
Jacob becomes Israel, and Esau/Edomites an enemy of God.
Edomites later became known as Idumeans, of whom Herod was one... he who tried to kill the infant Jesus in Bethlehem.
also Gods foreknowledge he saw the core of esau and Jacob beforehand

“lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright. For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭12:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬


i bekieve God has foreknowledge of the depths of a person before they are born and understands

“ esau will not value the blessing as much as a bowl of red stew he will sell his birthrite if he’s hungry and someone offers him a bowl of stew for it “

jacob however will clamor for it and even deceive to get it he will love it d seek to hold on to it and won’t sell it for anything

I believe there’s always Gods forknowledge that is how predestination comes about to be foretold and spoken of after

What I mean is there’s a reason God loved Jacob and hates esau , not because Jacob was sinless or esau was a terrible sinner but because God knew from the womb which would see his blessing as worthy and which would devalue it for one bowl of stew
 

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also Gods foreknowledge he saw the core of esau and Jacob beforehand

“lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright. For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭12:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬


i bekieve God has foreknowledge of the depths of a person before they are born and understands

“ esau will not value the blessing as much as a bowl of red stew he will sell his birthrite if he’s hungry and someone offers him a bowl of stew for it “

jacob however will clamor for it and even deceive to get it he will love it d seek to hold on to it and won’t sell it for anything

I believe there’s always Gods forknowledge that is how predestination comes about to be foretold and spoken of after

What I mean is there’s a reason God loved Jacob and hates esau , not because Jacob was sinless or esau was a terrible sinner but because God knew from the womb which would see his blessing as worthy and which would devalue it for one bowl of stew

What a way of trying to describe who God is. Rom 9:11, God is showing that his elect are not chosen by whether they have done any good or evil, but those that want to have a part in choosing their eternal inheritance will not accept that fact, and instead, will misinterpret the scriptures to say that eternal salvation is by their works.
 

Pilgrimshope

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What a way of trying to describe who God is. Rom 9:11, God is showing that his elect are not chosen by whether they have done any good or evil, but those that want to have a part in choosing their eternal inheritance will not accept that fact, and instead, will misinterpret the scriptures to say that eternal salvation is by their works.
“What a way of trying to describe who God is. Rom 9:11, God is showing that his elect are not chosen by whether they have done any good or evil, but those that want to have a part in choosing their eternal inheritance will not accept that fact, and instead, will misinterpret the scriptures to say that eternal salvation is by their works.”


“What a way of trying to describe who God is.”

well that’s not what I was doing lol if I were trying to explain who and how God is I would simply say accept Jesus Christ and his gospel because that’s who God is

So when he says something like this

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven;

but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7:21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I don’t then need to avoid things paul taught like this

“Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5:19-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And when someone explains “ God doesn’t require us to do anything we’re saved and it doesn’t matter what we do” I don’t need to ignore this

Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption;

but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.

As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭6:7-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and I dont have to explain “ this isn’t for Christian’s “

“What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

…Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.”
‭‭James‬ ‭2:14, 17-24, 26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Faith is shown by what we do , our works and deeds is what shows faith not just saying “ I have faith I don’t need to ever obey God I have faith instead I don’t need to do anything I’m saved “

thats not faith faith is when your deeds express the belief you have inside by what you do and don’t do

aid we reject anything along the line of what’s there it’s going to distort what we think so when Paul explains this

“But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; Who will render to every man according to his deeds: to them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

but unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

but glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:5-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

again I don’t have to pretend it doesn’t say what it says because I’m not averse to the truth of it Ive accepted repentance and Gods true grace that teaches us all this stuff

and then also because God said this

“I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭13:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

When paul says this I don’t need to pretend I don’t understand it that tells
Me I need to repent and start acting in faith and stop trying to explain why no one needs to repent and do good

that hypergrace doctrine brother is a deception but everyone has to choose what they are willing to hear and believe

the election is here

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And it creates the elect hiers of God his children

“For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:26-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

awe have to accept the gospel and repent and start learning from Jesus is what we do need to do and stop explaining there’s some other path that erases everything