Romans 9:21

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JohnB

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"Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?" Romans 9:21. While I was handing out a coke and chips to a homeless man, I got to thinking. I've always wanted a nice house, new car and financial independent. I don't need to be rich, but would like more than enough to get by. I want to retire. I started thinking, if I had these things would I be out handing drinks and food to the homeless on the corners? I wonder if I'm not in the place I desire to be because GOD wanted me doing this?
 

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thank God for having men like you give the gospel to the homeless.

many times we are not in the place we would want to be in life as its not what God has planned i believe that as well friend. i would also like to own a house (i rent in a loud apartment currently) and have a car. europe is expensive place and maybe i would attach my heart to the house too much and work on it all the time, work the yard, remodel it . etc.
 

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"Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?" Romans 9:21. While I was handing out a coke and chips to a homeless man, I got to thinking. I've always wanted a nice house, new car and financial independent. I don't need to be rich, but would like more than enough to get by. I want to retire. I started thinking, if I had these things would I be out handing drinks and food to the homeless on the corners? I wonder if I'm not in the place I desire to be because GOD wanted me doing this?
at our wondering is not astray but God leading you to understanding that’s always been true

at he people wondered why it seemed as though God had forsaken them so they fasted and got ashes and torn garments but this didn’t please God it wasn’t what he’s been telling them this was what they could Never understand

“Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke?

Is it not to deal thy bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house?

when thou seest the naked, that thou cover him; and that thou hide not thyself from thine own flesh?

Then shall thy light break forth as the morning, and thine health shall spring forth speedily: and thy righteousness shall go before thee; the glory of the LORD shall be thy rereward. Then shalt thou call, and the LORD shall answer; thou shalt cry, and he shall say, Here I am.

If thou take away from the midst of thee the yoke, the putting forth of the finger, and speaking vanity; and if thou draw out thy soul to the hungry, and satisfy the afflicted soul; then shall thy light rise in obscurity, and thy darkness be as the noon day: and the LORD shall guide thee continually, and satisfy thy soul in drought, and make fat thy bones: and thou shalt be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters fail not.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭58:6-

This hasn’t changed and never will

“Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

for I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

….And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭25:34-37, 40‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the blessings of God are activated by true love for our fellow Man when we begin to notice the needs of the many many broken and struggling people who we come across often in life and we start stepping forward to help making it a priority and something we want to do for the sake of helping the ones we’re meant to care for and love as brothers and sisters

true love form one another is what he’s always been teaching mankind and what he’s always said will unleash his blessings and fulfillment of their good and godly desires

We do it because we have a compassion in us like Jesus did towards us
 

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Rom 9:21 . . Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same
lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?

That verse is scary because it tells of folks like Judas who were/are destined
to dishonor before they even take their first breath.

However, though Judas and Pharaoh were destined to dishonor, they weren't
necessarily destined to lose out on God's benevolence. He leaves that
decision for folks to make on their own.
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oyster67

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While I was handing out a coke and chips to a homeless man, I got to thinking. I've always wanted a nice house, new car...

The nice house will fall down and the new car will get old, but your heavenly reward will last forever. (Unless God hands you a bag of chips and a coke. :geek:)

At any rate, you can't take it with you...
Job 1:21
“And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD.”
 
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"Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?" Romans 9:21. While I was handing out a coke and chips to a homeless man, I got to thinking. I've always wanted a nice house, new car and financial independent. I don't need to be rich, but would like more than enough to get by. I want to retire. I started thinking, if I had these things would I be out handing drinks and food to the homeless on the corners? I wonder if I'm not in the place I desire to be because GOD wanted me doing this?
That's great you were out feeding people. I think that's a very important thing to do.

We should be grateful for what we have whether we have little, just enough, or excess.
 

Pilgrimshope

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The nice house will fall down and the new car will get old, but your heavenly reward will last forever. (Unless God hands you a bag of chips and a coke. :geek:)

At any rate, you can't take it with you...
Job 1:21
“And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD.”
amen

“But godliness with contentment is great gain. For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.

And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.

But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.

For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭6:6-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

eventually even our very breath in this world will Be taken away so we should

Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭3:2‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 

studentoftheword

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I got to thinking. I've always wanted a nice house, new car and financial independent. I don't need to be rich, but would like more than enough to get by. I want to retire. I started thinking, if I had these things would I be out handing drinks and food to the homeless on the corners? I wonder if I'm not in the place I desire to be because GOD wanted me doing this?
I think God certainly wants us all to be giving to the Poor ------you seem to have enough to look after yourself and be able to give what you can to the homeless man in what you have ---

If you didn't have enough to look after your own needs how could you afford to give anything to the homeless man -----? ---you would have to give up some of your needs to be able to give to the homeless and would God want that ?------

I don't think God wants us to be in lack of anything ----I think God wants to bless us to have enough for ourselves so that we can give to the poor ------

Here is the thing with God -----God will only bless you what He feels you can handle---- as far as Finances go -----

Our Motive in Giving plays a great part in God's eyes -------Our attitude in Giving plays a great part as well ----also we have to trust God that He will do as He promises with our Giving ------there is protocol for giving so God can Bless you ------We have to prove to God that He can trust us will little before He will give us much --------







This is a command -----about our Giving -----so we see we are to give in secret -------no big announcements ----

But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
Matthew 6:3-4


Remember this: Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously.
2 Corinthians 9:6

I say ---
--We see here what we sow is what we get back -----

Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.
2 Corinthians 9:7

I say ----we are not to give reluctantly or under compulsion -------some people give because they feel they have to -----and they think this will get them in God's graces -----

God wants to Bless us so we have enough for ourselves and enough to look out for the poor ------

Many people get into a frenzy when the Blessing is mentioned ---as they believe Christians don't need to be Blessed with material or Financial needs but that is not how God works -----

When God Blesses us with finances ---the Blessing is not for us --it is for giving out to Bless others -------

An example -----you have a job in that job you get a promotion ---that is God Blessing you ----and in that promotion you get more money ---you already make a good wage and have been living comfortably with what you were making ----- so the extra Blessing God Bestowed on you is not for you ---it is to bless someone else ------

You are Blessed by God to be A Blessing to another ------and what you sow to the other God promises to give back to you so you can keep being a Blessing to others -----

Believe ---trust and act upon these scriptures and you will always have enough for your Family and enough to Bless others -----


Proverbs 11:25-----Amplified Bible
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The generous man [is a source of blessing and] shall be prosperous and enriched,
And he who waters will himself be watered [reaping the generosity he has sown].


Luke 6:38------Amplified Bible

38 Give, and it will be given to you. They will pour into your lap a good measure—pressed down, shaken together, and running over [with no space left for more]. For with the standard of measurement you use [when you do good to others], it will be measured to you in return.”

NOTE HERE ____IT SAYS--------- IT WILL BE GIVEN TO YOU-----this is a Promise Folks -----

2 Corinthians 9 AMP

8 And God is able to make all grace [every favor and earthly blessing] come in abundance to you, so that you may always [under all circumstances, regardless of the need] have complete sufficiency in everything [being completely self-sufficient in Him], and have an abundance for every good work and act of charity.

9 As it is written and forever remains written,
“He [the benevolent and generous person] scattered abroad, he gave to the poor,
His righteousness endures forever!”

10 Now He who provides seed for the sower and bread for food will provide and multiply your seed for sowing [that is, your resources] and increase the harvest of your righteousness [which shows itself in active goodness, kindness, and love].

11 You will be enriched in every way so that you may be generous, and this [generosity, administered] through us is producing thanksgiving to God [from those who benefit].



I say --God will provide what we need both Physically and materially and Bless us to be a Blessing to others ------

The Blessings you read in Deuteronomy 28 apply to us who are in Christ today -------Jesus defeated the Curses and brought back the Blessings for those who receive Him in their Hearts ----

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy 28&version=NIV

Number 8 -----says ----
8 The Lord will send a blessing on your barns and on everything you put your hand to.

The blessing means you will succeed in all you do -----your marriage will succeed ---your job will be prosperous and anything you put your hands to will blessed ----you will always have enough for yourself and to help others ----


It is God who provided wealth to His True people -------

We are to keep our lives free from the LOVE of Money which is the root of all evil and be content with what God has given us as He knows what we need and can handle ----Spiritually ---- Materially ---and Financially -----

If we can't do the right thing with God's little like a 100 dollars ---why would God give us much like 1,000 dollars -----we are not to bury or hoard our money --we are to use it to advance God's Kingdom --


 

Blade

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Some day really dig into those that came and gave gifts to Mary and Joseph. Who came to see the new born King. He never lived and slept in the streets and was not homeless. He came to die for the worlds sin. He came to give us life and give it more abundantly. There is this twisted mentality that we need to be poor helpless and only helping the poor or were not like Christ. Did we forget the 12/120? Yeah not homeless not poor. Now if we truly want to help the poor according to the word then you keep helping them till they are back on their feet. For me it never helps giving them some money to then see them day after day doing the same thing.

We don't earn righteousness. This is another part of that twisted I was talking about. As if it makes you more holy or something. What pleases Him is faith, something others get made fun for. Something that never gets talked about enough. I believe what He wants is a simple "yes lord here I am send me". Its doing what HE wants you do to. He said on earth as it is in heaven. How is it there? Yeah we walk on streets of pure see through gold.

Always wise to help and give. Some believe its their calling to give up all and help them 24/7. Not all are called to this. People today still give most of their wealth to the Church. Some that go home leave all to the Church. You would think we would say AMEN but no.. we hear some say... they gave to someone we don't like.. praise GOD. God blessed them with riches to bless others. There is no catch to "what ever you ask the Father" no catch to " you have not because you ask not". You don't have because you asking wrong. No one is poor because that's Gods will. Its very clear so many have no clue who they are and who they belong to. You right now you sit in heavenly places and you can come boldly before the throne of God. That great I AM the only God there is. YOU can call Him Father no angel can do that.

So Jesus poor or rich would change nothing. Its why most of his life is not talked about. He came to die for the world. That's why He came. Its to never focus on this world but only Him. When your rich you keep your eyes on Him and you thank Him for everything you have. If you don't have much your thankful for everything you have. All you have to do is ask.. like the song saying "BY Faith, all things are possible with you". Yeah all things are possible to them that believe. Only we tell God what He meant with "all things are possible".

The song I will keep my eyes on the truth.. by faith. Helping the poor does not please Him. ALL has to have "faith" in it. With out faith we can not ever please Him. To it by faith.. not here to offend if so forgive me.
 

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The nice house will fall down and the new car will get old, but your heavenly reward will last forever. (Unless God hands you a bag of chips and a coke. :geek:)

At any rate, you can't take it with you...
Job 1:21
“And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD.”
He has blessed many others with material possessions. ....Job, Abraham, David, Solomon.....
 

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Jesus became poor in Spirit so we could become rich in Spirit ------

Was Jesus materially and financially poor ?????------many think so ------but what is the real truth -----

Many use this scripture to say he was ------

Jesus replied, "Foxes have holes and birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay his head." Matthew 8:20.


Jesus was given gifts of------- Gold ----Frankincense and Myrrh -----all very expensive items in His time -------nothing was said in scripture what was done with these expensive gifts -----

Jesus was a carpenter -----He was a skilled Craftsmen so he earned a living until He was 33 ----and started His ministry

Did Jesus have a house ? ----just maybe He did =====He certainly could have built himself one being a skilled Carpenter ----

Mark 2 ERV
2 A few days later, Jesus came back to Capernaum. The news spread that he was back home. 2 A large crowd gathered to hear him speak. The house was so full that there was no place to stand, not even outside the door.

Did Jesus wear torn and tattered clothes ?---

I don't think so -----His tunic was seamless and deemed expensive ---as only high Priests wore these seamless tunics -----

John 19:23-24 GNT
23 After the soldiers had crucified Jesus, they took his clothes and divided them into four parts, one part for each soldier. They also took the robe, which was made of one piece of woven cloth without any seams in it.

Did Jesus ever lack in anything of His time --I don't think so ------Judas was stealing money from the ministry purse and none of the Disciples noticed money was missing so they didn't lack in finances -
they didn't lack in food ---they didn't lack in cloths ----they didn't lack in places to stay when they were accepted into a place to preach -----

God has no problem with people having what they need ---and money is included in that -----it is all in how the person uses it ------and when God calls us to give what we have to another ----we need to comply and trust that God will look after us ------
 

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Jesus became poor in Spirit so we could become rich in Spirit ------

Was Jesus materially and financially poor ?????------many think so ------but what is the real truth -----

Many use this scripture to say he was ------

Jesus replied, "Foxes have holes and birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay his head." Matthew 8:20.


Jesus was given gifts of------- Gold ----Frankincense and Myrrh -----all very expensive items in His time -------nothing was said in scripture what was done with these expensive gifts -----

Jesus was a carpenter -----He was a skilled Craftsmen so he earned a living until He was 33 ----and started His ministry

Did Jesus have a house ? ----just maybe He did =====He certainly could have built himself one being a skilled Carpenter ----

Mark 2 ERV
2 A few days later, Jesus came back to Capernaum. The news spread that he was back home. 2 A large crowd gathered to hear him speak. The house was so full that there was no place to stand, not even outside the door.

Did Jesus wear torn and tattered clothes ?---

I don't think so -----His tunic was seamless and deemed expensive ---as only high Priests wore these seamless tunics -----

John 19:23-24 GNT
23 After the soldiers had crucified Jesus, they took his clothes and divided them into four parts, one part for each soldier. They also took the robe, which was made of one piece of woven cloth without any seams in it.

Did Jesus ever lack in anything of His time --I don't think so ------Judas was stealing money from the ministry purse and none of the Disciples noticed money was missing so they didn't lack in finances -
they didn't lack in food ---they didn't lack in cloths ----they didn't lack in places to stay when they were accepted into a place to preach -----

God has no problem with people having what they need ---and money is included in that -----it is all in how the person uses it ------and when God calls us to give what we have to another ----we need to comply and trust that God will look after us ------
Jesus could have Peter pull a gold coin from a fish to pay taxes, he could turn water into wine. Jesus wasn't struggling to make ends meet. He didn't even have to work.
 

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It's when your heart's desire wants to go one way and GOD pulls you another way. It's when he allows others to take the path you desire to go (where they are blessed), but blocks your attempts to take the same path. You're in a desert, while many others are in the promised land.
 

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"Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?" Romans 9:21. While I was handing out a coke and chips to a homeless man, I got to thinking. I've always wanted a nice house, new car and financial independent. I don't need to be rich, but would like more than enough to get by. I want to retire. I started thinking, if I had these things would I be out handing drinks and food to the homeless on the corners? I wonder if I'm not in the place I desire to be because GOD wanted me doing this?
Are you giving to the homeless through a church outreach?
 

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Jesus could have Peter pull a gold coin from a fish to pay taxes, he could turn water into wine. Jesus wasn't struggling to make ends meet. He didn't even have to work.
You’re envious rather than grateful. That’s not a good way to go through life.
 

JohnB

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You’re envious rather than grateful. That’s not a good way to go through life.
I did not ask for millions, but would like to get off the edge of just getting by. I'm happy for others if they have been blessed with a good life. I want everyone to have a good life.
 

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I live in a mobile home park. Been here for over 10 years, my rent is lower than most in the park. I once asked a realtor about selling and they asked me why? You're not going to get a 2 bedroom home for the price you pay rent here. Moving somewhere else, you need first and last month's rent, which I don't have.
 

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"For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’….. “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’….Matthew 25:35-40".....notice these people were not giving to any church, they were helping the individuals. In fact it appears they didn't know they were doing this to Jesus. Too many Christians just hand them a bible verse, which does nothing for them.