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Don't you know? To the non-fascist Left, this is fascism :LOL: Unless 'democracy' goes their way, it's not a legitimate democracy. Get with it man!
You have it exactly backwards because you're the one trying to force your religion on others through legislation,and then you have the nerve to pretend to be persecuted when people push back

Law abiding citizens have a right to be left alone and what other people do is none of your business

Get over yourself.
 

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shittim

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Spoken as a troubled, unrepentant who knows not the difference between faith and relationship with Jesus Christ and religion, sorry for you that you continually post from such a place.:unsure::):coffee:
best wishes(y)
 

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The "get over yourself" sounds straight from the Alinsky playbook.......:unsure::):coffee::giggle:
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At the end of the age the love of the many will grow cold so it is imperative that we love one another and that we abide in the light.
 

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Isaiah 3:16-26 This walk leads to a curse

16 Moreover, the Lord said, “Because the daughters of Zion are proud And walk with outstretched necks and seductive (flirtatious, alluring) eyes, And trip along with mincing steps and an affected gait And walk with jingling anklets on their feet, 17 Therefore the Lord will afflict the crown of the head of the daughters of Zion with scabs [making them bald], And the Lord will expose their foreheads (send them into captivity).”
18 In that day the Lord will take away the beauty of their anklets, [braided] caps, crescent [head] ornaments, 19 dangling earrings, bracelets, and the hanging veils and scarves, 20 head wraps (turbans), [short, jingling] ankle chains, sashes, perfume boxes, amulets (charms), 21 signet [finger] rings, nose rings, 22 festival robes, outer tunics, shawls, handbags, 23 hand mirrors, [fine linen] undergarments, headbands, and veils [covering the entire body].

God said to “listen carefully” the judgement is all about our walk. The righteous will be fine, the wicked will be crushed. Women very often seem to feel they are not responsible for the wars and the corruption, that is being done by men. Really? What kind of walk do these women have? I don’t know anything about the various head ornaments, veils, scarves, amulets, chains, handbags, undergarments, etc. It certainly appears to me that they are fully invested in this evil and adulterous age. Remember Lot’s wife.

24 Now it will come to pass that instead of the sweet fragrance of spices there will be [the stench of] rottenness; Instead of a belt, a rope; Instead of well-set hair, baldness; Instead of fine clothes, a robe of sackcloth; And branding [of captives by the scorching heat] instead of beauty. 25 Your men will fall by the sword And your mighty men in battle. 26 And Jerusalem’s gates will lament (cry out in grief) and mourn [as those who wail for the dead];
And she, being ruined and desolate, will sit upon the ground.

There is a wonderful picture here of a road that leads to you sitting on the ground, ruined and desolate. It started with them being proud, then outstretched neck with flirtatious eyes. Fornication is a game to them that they are playing. Then you see their “affected gait” their walk is corrupt for all to see, and in the event no one is watching they put little jingling things on their feet. This walk leads to disease from head to toe. It leads to poverty, single parent mothers, and domestic violence. It leads to a stench, baldness, and a branding of their kids. They lose their men, not just their husband but also their children.
 

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Spoken as a troubled, unrepentant who knows not the difference between faith and relationship with Jesus Christ and religion, sorry for you that you continually post from such a place.:unsure::):coffee:
best wishes(y)
Well that's my point. Not everyone in America is Christian and they don't have to be. But a certain element in this group thinks only Christians are supposed to have constitutional rights.
So they want to try to force their beliefs on others and then have the nerve to pretend to be persecuted when people push back
Again, law abiding citizens have a right to be left alone and what consenting adults are doing is none of your business.
 

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Well that's my point. Not everyone in America is Christian and they don't have to be. But a certain element in this group thinks only Christians are supposed to have constitutional rights.
So they want to try to force their beliefs on others and then have the nerve to pretend to be persecuted when people push back
Again, law abiding citizens have a right to be left alone and what consenting adults are doing is none of your business.
Ummm, I think you have us confused with Muslims and Sharia law.
 

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Well that's my point. Not everyone in America is Christian and they don't have to be. But a certain element in this group thinks only Christians are supposed to have constitutional rights.
So they want to try to force their beliefs on others and then have the nerve to pretend to be persecuted when people push back
Again, law abiding citizens have a right to be left alone and what consenting adults are doing is none of your business.
Again, you do not have a point.

The purpose of this life is to be in personal one on one relationship with your Lord and Savior before it is determined that your heart will be stopped and your spirit and soul shed your earth clothes and you are taken to stand before your Creator and your eternity is determined for you.
There is no middle ground, by default if you are not one of the Redeemers, you are one of the adversaries camp.
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Ummm, I think you have us confused with Muslims and Sharia law.
If you're trying to use the law to stop to consenting adults from getting married then you're trying to force your religion on others.
So I'm going to say this again. Law abiding citizens have a right to be left alone but religion is incapable of minding its own business
 

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Again, you do not have a point.

The purpose of this life is to be in personal one on one relationship with your Lord and Savior before it is determined that your heart will be stopped and your spirit and soul shed your earth clothes and you are taken to stand before your Creator and your eternity is determined for you.
There is no middle ground, by default if you are not one of the Redeemers, you are one of the adversaries camp.
best wishes.
Okay but not everyone in America is christian, nor do they have to be
We are all Americans first whether you be christian, Muslim atheist, gay, straight etc
So can you do that walking away and wiping the dust off your feet thing that Jesus said?
Also some people believe there is no objective purpose to life so you give it your own subjective. Maybe my purpose is to spread kindness, or to try to leave the world a better place than I found it.
purposepurpose
 

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Oops. I meant my standard of right and wrong is based on what is conducive to human well-being and reducing unnecessary suffering
Raping people is not conducive to human well-being or reducing unnecessary suffering, therefore we can conclude that raping people is an immoral action.
See how I didn't need to invoke any religious principles to arrive at this conclusion?
Still your definition will require some standard of well-being. For example, well-being for you would allow for homosexual relationships. Well-being for a Christian would exclude it. Without stating so, you have developed a system for yourself of what is right and wrong. You are your own decider or sovereign because you choose what fits your definition or not.
We understand that if there is such a thing as right and wrong, the standard for it is the one it originates from as well. Thus, your standard is self appointed while ours is God appointed. The only difference is the sovereign source.
 

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there is no middle ground.
 

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Again, you do not have a point.

The purpose of this life is to be in personal one on one relationship with your Lord and Savior before it is determined that your heart will be stopped and your spirit and soul shed your earth clothes and you are taken to stand before your Creator and your eternity is determined for you.
There is no middle ground, by default if you are not one of the Redeemers, you are one of the adversaries camp.
best wishes.
So you are saying the age of grace was when we were choosing up sides, and now we are in the game.

Let me double check just to make sure I picked the right side.

1 God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son,

God is speaking to us through His son and not through Satan. OK, so the other team has to get their speaking from God second hand through us.

whom He has appointed heir of all things,

Jesus has been appointed the heir of all things, OK. So the other side doesn't inherit anything? Ouch.

through whom also He made the worlds;


So everything has been made through Jesus? Satan is only good at copying and counterfeiting. OK. Good luck with their super computers and AI, we have the one through whom all things were made as our captain.

3 who being the brightness of His glory

OK, so this guy who disguises himself as an angel of light, that is not God's glory. Jesus, the son of God, who dwells within us, He is the brightness of God's glory.

and the express image of His person,

Whoa! Are you telling me that Jesus has a voice like God that can thunder over the entire earth and He has an arm like God! Why on earth would anyone choose to be with that weasel Satan when you can chose the One who is the Express image of God?

and upholding all things by the word of His power,

Hold everything, are you saying that Jesus is not simply the champion over Satan but he can uphold me and you also! Does Satan ever offer anymore of a promise than that his followers can spend eternity in the lake of fire with him?

when He had by Himself purged our sins,


What? What! He doesn't simply create everything, shine brightly, express the conquering King, uphold His followers, He also purges their sins so that they are white as snow! What! Is this fair? Why would anyone choose that weasel Satan if they know this? They must be some seriously stupid people to do that.

sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, 4 having become so much better than the angels, as He has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.


A more excellent name than the angels. Satan is an angel, right?

After reviewing the two choices I think I am quite happy choosing Jesus.
 

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Still your definition will require some standard of well-being. For example, well-being for you would allow for homosexual relationships. Well-being for a Christian would exclude it. Without stating so, you have developed a system for yourself of what is right and wrong. You are your own decider or sovereign because you choose what fits your definition or not.
We understand that if there is such a thing as right and wrong, the standard for it is the one it originates from as well. Thus, your standard is self appointed while ours is God appointed. The only difference is the sovereign source.
I could go into the reasons why I disagree with that but I'm not here to talk anyone out of their faith I feel like everyone has a right to believe or not believe as they choose. And again I'm not saying all Christians are like this because most of my friends are Christian and are pretty chill
I'm talking about the ones who think everyone has to share their beliefs and get butt hurt when people don't.
People talk about fascism. Trying to force your beliefs on others is literally fascism
 

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But what Alex Jones really should be in prison for is claiming that his vitamins supplements treat covid when they don't. That's called fraud
By that logic everyone who said masking and social distancing work should be jailed. Everyone that said if you got the shot you could not get covid should be in jail. Everyone who said if you got the shot you could not transmit the virus should be in jail as well.
 

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By that logic everyone who said masking and social distancing work should be jailed. Everyone that said if you got the shot you could not get covid should be in jail. Everyone who said if you got the shot you could not transmit the virus should be in jail as well.
I have no idea what vitamins Alex Jones is pushing but I do know that vitamin D has been proven to be effective at reducing the impact of Covid and Quercetin and Zinc also work against any virus. I know that from personal experience. I use them repeatedly and they have helped me many times in the last year to recover in hours when I am coming down with something.
 

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I have no idea what vitamins Alex Jones is pushing but I do know that vitamin D has been proven to be effective at reducing the impact of Covid and Quercetin and Zinc also work against any virus. I know that from personal experience. I use them repeatedly and they have helped me many times in the last year to recover in hours when I am coming down with something.
I'm not sure either. The body needs 90 essential vitamins, minerals, and amino acids daily to perform as it was designed. Much of this could be found in a well-balanced diet until recent history. Since it no longer is possible to get these nutrients from our diet, supplements have become necessary.
Having said all that, my only point in that particular post was that all offenders, not just those one disagrees with, should be subject to the same standards.
It's disingenuous to hold only one group accountable.
 

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By that logic everyone who said masking and social distancing work should be jailed. Everyone that said if you got the shot you could not get covid should be in jail. Everyone who said if you got the shot you could not transmit the virus should be in jail as well.
Well the mask thing is debatable but cold it is contagious up to 6 ft so I can see the concern about social distancing back when covid was at his peak
However that's still not the same thing is selling a product and claiming it does something that it doesn't. That's fraud
 

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Well the mask thing is debatable but cold it is contagious up to 6 ft so I can see the concern about social distancing back when covid was at his peak
However that's still not the same thing is selling a product and claiming it does something that it doesn't. That's fraud
Be more specific, because three things sold in a vitamin shop have been proven scientifically and statistically to be effective against Covid and viral infections.