We are saved by grace not works, so why are we to be judged by Christ?
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“I believe that you have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.”
“And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
1 John 5:20 KJV
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth. And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.”
John 1:1, 9-10, 14, 16-18 KJV
“It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.”
John 6:45 KJV
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24 KJV
“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
John 6:63 KJV
“Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. The Pharisees therefore said unto him, Thou bearest record of thyself; thy record is not true. Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.”
John 8:12-13, 31-32, 51 KJV
I’ll stick with faith in Jesus and what he has to say and promise I’m not looking for a “grace erase “ of my Lord and saviors word. You should consider what Jesus Christ says about being saved he’s much wiser than you or I
“And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
1 John 5:20 KJV
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth. And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.”
John 1:1, 9-10, 14, 16-18 KJV
“It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.”
John 6:45 KJV
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24 KJV
“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
John 6:63 KJV
“Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. The Pharisees therefore said unto him, Thou bearest record of thyself; thy record is not true. Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.”
John 8:12-13, 31-32, 51 KJV
I’ll stick with faith in Jesus and what he has to say and promise I’m not looking for a “grace erase “ of my Lord and saviors word. You should consider what Jesus Christ says about being saved he’s much wiser than you or I
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Re: We are saved by grace not works, so why are we to be judged by
Christ?
Masochism can be roughly defined as deriving gratification from being
subjected to physical pain or humiliation by one's own self and/or by
another person. i.e. pleasure in being abused or dominated, viz; a taste for
suffering.
It's been my experience that there are numbers of Christians at large whose
spiritual ideology is an amalgam of grace and punishment. There is no use in
attempting to talk them out of it because it isn't in their nature to be
satisfied with kindness while at the core of their being longing for the lash.
Sweet dreams are made of this,
Who am I to disagree?
I've traveled the world and the seven seas,
Everybody's lookin' for something.
Some of them want to use you,
Some of them want to get used by you.
Some of them want to abuse you,
Some of them want to be abused.
(Eurythmics: Annie Lennox & David A. Stewart, 1983)
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Re: We are saved by grace not works, so why are we to be judged by
Christ?
Masochism can be roughly defined as deriving gratification from being
subjected to physical pain or humiliation by one's own self and/or by
another person. i.e. pleasure in being abused or dominated, viz; a taste for
suffering.
It's been my experience that there are numbers of Christians at large whose
spiritual ideology is an amalgam of grace and punishment. There is no use in
attempting to talk them out of it because it isn't in their nature to be
satisfied with kindness while at the core of their being longing for the lash.
Sweet dreams are made of this,
Who am I to disagree?
I've traveled the world and the seven seas,
Everybody's lookin' for something.
Some of them want to use you,
Some of them want to get used by you.
Some of them want to abuse you,
Some of them want to be abused.
(Eurythmics: Annie Lennox & David A. Stewart, 1983)
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James is preaching the truth of gospel
“And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: he is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.
But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.”
Luke 6:46-49 KJV
So James summarizes that point
“Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.”
James 1:21-22 KJV
The same thing the lord said from heaven before he came and fulfilled it
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24 KJV
If we refuse to hear the gospel there’s nothing that’s going to save us we have to accept the truth a couple sentences before that James says this
“Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.”
James 1:17-18 KJV
Hes talking about accepting what Jesus was sent to earth to speak in the gospel
“Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
John 18:37 KJV
If we won’t hear his word we can’t be born again , and when we start hearing his word we’re going to be taught by God what to believe and what to do and not do
A faith is when you hear what God says will save you or bless you and you believe what he said
This will always lead a man to do it because he believes it’s true if I want to be saved by faith I have to hear what Jesus said about salvation in the gospel and not excuse myself from accepting it
You seem to be big on “ who something is for “ the gospel Jesus preached is for these people
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
That’s salvation hearing the gospel and believing what God said will save a believer , belief of Gods word is always going to save man without fail and rejecting his word will always condemn man without fail
“And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: he is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.
But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.”
Luke 6:46-49 KJV
So James summarizes that point
“Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.”
James 1:21-22 KJV
The same thing the lord said from heaven before he came and fulfilled it
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24 KJV
If we refuse to hear the gospel there’s nothing that’s going to save us we have to accept the truth a couple sentences before that James says this
“Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.”
James 1:17-18 KJV
Hes talking about accepting what Jesus was sent to earth to speak in the gospel
“Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
John 18:37 KJV
If we won’t hear his word we can’t be born again , and when we start hearing his word we’re going to be taught by God what to believe and what to do and not do
A faith is when you hear what God says will save you or bless you and you believe what he said
This will always lead a man to do it because he believes it’s true if I want to be saved by faith I have to hear what Jesus said about salvation in the gospel and not excuse myself from accepting it
You seem to be big on “ who something is for “ the gospel Jesus preached is for these people
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
That’s salvation hearing the gospel and believing what God said will save a believer , belief of Gods word is always going to save man without fail and rejecting his word will always condemn man without fail
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This is off the subject but I think it's something that needs saying from time
to time.
Internet forums have given many of Christ's obscure followers a convenient
venue for sharing their time-won knowledge and experience with a
worldwide audience. For the world's sake (if not Christ's) I highly
recommend making an effort to compose legible posts; neatly arranged,
sensible, coherent, and tidy.
Excessive bolding, underscoring, and italics, lack of adequate paragraphing,
twitter spelling, unnecessary emogies, horrible grammar, confusing mixtures
of fonts and colors, and/or shouting with caps and oversize letters, makes
for tiresome clutter and annoying graffiti that leave a bad impression.
Some people's posts resemble the obnoxious placards of worked-up
protesters and political activists; yelling, shrieking, and sometimes even
spraying spittle. They are beyond reason and objectivity in their desperation
to be taken seriously. Apparently they assume that if only they shout loud
enough, make themselves irritating enough, and hold out long enough;
maybe they'll get their point across and somebody will finally listen.
I rather suspect that some people regard forums as a canvas for painting
their comments instead of composing them. Well; that might be okay for
outsiders, they can scrawl and splash and be as messy as they want because
their comments don't matter anyway. But for those of us who honestly
believe ourselves to be representing God's son; that kind of penmanship is
unacceptable because it reflects on Christ and makes him look like his
followers are desperate kooks.
• Phil 1:27 . . Conduct yourselves in a manner worthy of the gospel of
Christ.
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This is off the subject but I think it's something that needs saying from time
to time.
Internet forums have given many of Christ's obscure followers a convenient
venue for sharing their time-won knowledge and experience with a
worldwide audience. For the world's sake (if not Christ's) I highly
recommend making an effort to compose legible posts; neatly arranged,
sensible, coherent, and tidy.
Excessive bolding, underscoring, and italics, lack of adequate paragraphing,
twitter spelling, unnecessary emogies, horrible grammar, confusing mixtures
of fonts and colors, and/or shouting with caps and oversize letters, makes
for tiresome clutter and annoying graffiti that leave a bad impression.
Some people's posts resemble the obnoxious placards of worked-up
protesters and political activists; yelling, shrieking, and sometimes even
spraying spittle. They are beyond reason and objectivity in their desperation
to be taken seriously. Apparently they assume that if only they shout loud
enough, make themselves irritating enough, and hold out long enough;
maybe they'll get their point across and somebody will finally listen.
I rather suspect that some people regard forums as a canvas for painting
their comments instead of composing them. Well; that might be okay for
outsiders, they can scrawl and splash and be as messy as they want because
their comments don't matter anyway. But for those of us who honestly
believe ourselves to be representing God's son; that kind of penmanship is
unacceptable because it reflects on Christ and makes him look like his
followers are desperate kooks.
• Phil 1:27 . . Conduct yourselves in a manner worthy of the gospel of
Christ.
_
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Nope I have considered who Jesus is and I trust that he’s the one to believe in
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
i don’t ever try to out think what God said and reason why it’s not true of relevant to everlasting life
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
John 3:16 KJV
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24 KJV
“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
John 12:48-50 KJV
a I don’t have any reason to fear Gods word promising everlasting life so I don’t interpret everything away from whats there I am foolish enough to believe in Jesus and trust what he said will save anyone that believes and sent to all creatures in earth to believe and be saved
I don’t pretend that I’m going to figure out how to be saved because I know the savior and what he said and I believe him
so no I don’t play the shell game
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
i don’t ever try to out think what God said and reason why it’s not true of relevant to everlasting life
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
John 3:16 KJV
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24 KJV
“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
John 12:48-50 KJV
a I don’t have any reason to fear Gods word promising everlasting life so I don’t interpret everything away from whats there I am foolish enough to believe in Jesus and trust what he said will save anyone that believes and sent to all creatures in earth to believe and be saved
I don’t pretend that I’m going to figure out how to be saved because I know the savior and what he said and I believe him
so no I don’t play the shell game
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yeah another magical grace interpretation
“Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls. But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.”
James 1:21-22 KJV
“Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
to them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
but unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
…. in the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to the gospel.”
Romans 2:6-9, 16 KJV
a that’s not about salvation either by the grace wand I guess
“unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil,”
If that’s salvstion no thanks I’d rather shoot for this
to them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
“Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls. But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.”
James 1:21-22 KJV
“Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
to them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
but unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
…. in the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to the gospel.”
Romans 2:6-9, 16 KJV
a that’s not about salvation either by the grace wand I guess
“unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil,”
If that’s salvstion no thanks I’d rather shoot for this
to them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
We Christian’s should be Teaching six different salvations to each other ?
“There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.”
Ephesians 4:4-6 KJV
“Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.”
Acts 4:12 KJV
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned. ( it seems like that’s an either or proposition )
Mark 16:15-16KJV
I’m not really sure about Six different salvations being taught but would like to hear your thinking brother
My position is there’s only one salvation offered of God to Mankind and it’s found in the gospel
“There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.”
Ephesians 4:4-6 KJV
“Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.”
Acts 4:12 KJV
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned. ( it seems like that’s an either or proposition )
Mark 16:15-16KJV
I’m not really sure about Six different salvations being taught but would like to hear your thinking brother
My position is there’s only one salvation offered of God to Mankind and it’s found in the gospel
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