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Elizabeth619

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The book of Revelation is one of the most interesting yet can be the most confusing books in the bible. Why is this? Well, lil ole me is about to tell you why. ;)
 
Revelation was written to an audience that would know what the message was and understand it the same as they did.
The first readers of John's Revelation were engaged in a life and death struggle against the forces of evil who were committed to their annihilation. Backing up and looking at this great book from a distance reveals that it is obviously a book of encouragement, perseverance and hope to an oppressed people. the general theme of the book is the bad guys lose and the good guys win. The book paints very vivid and horrific pictures of the fate that awaits the bad guys while likewise portrays the joy and happiness that rewards the good guys. Time and again, we are taken on a rollercoaster ride through the book with numerous scenes of God's wrath on His enemies and then His blessings and vengeful protection of his faithful children who are assured time and again that they will be victorious in the end and their enemies will suffer His eternal wrath.

The type of language used to write the Revelation is called "Apocalyptic". This word comes from the Greek word apokalupto (ap-ok-al-oop'-to), and simply means a "revealing" or to "reveal". This is where we get the word "Revelation". The book of Revelation is certainly not the only time God used this kind of language. The books of Daniel, Zechariah and others are instances where God used this kind of language in order to "reveal" what He wished to communicate. The words used in this kind of language have a symbolic meaning in the minds of the readers of the letter. For instance the word "Horn" is used in both Revelation and Daniel. To the Jews, the horn was an emblem of power (1 Kings 22:11). Samuel wrote, "and he shall give strength unto his king, and exalt the horn of his anointed" (1 Samuel 2:10). David wrote, "But my horn shalt thou exalt like the horn of an unicorn" (Psalms 92:10). The Jewish Christians who had converted from Judaism would be familiar with this and when they heard the word "horn" they would associate it with "strength and power" in their minds. So we see that the many words used as symbols in the Revelation have significant meanings to the people who would first read the letter. The symbolic meaning of the word "horn" would not be easily known to anybody who was not familiar with the Old Testament scriptures so those reading the letter would not be able to understand what it meant to the first readers of the letter. To you and I, a horn simply means the horn on some kind of animal like a rhinoceros or a water buffalo. So if we are to understand the Revelation, we must learn what the symbolic language contained therein meant to a particular group of the people who read the letter in the first century.


Why was this book written the way it was?
Language is symbolized in order to conceal it's meaning to all but to whom it is intended. The Christians at the time Revelation was written were undergoing severe persecution from their enemies. Just about everybody that was not a Christian was their enemy. Their enemies were viciously brutal and their lives hung in the balance on a daily basis. It was a crime against the laws of the government under which they lived to even be a Christian and the penalty for transgressing this law was often death.

In the book of Revelation, the Christians are told they will be victorious in the end and their enemies will be crushed in defeat. They are also told by God not to give in to their enemies and worship who they want them to worship, but to worship God and only God. The persecuting powers under which the Christians were living wanted them to give up the one true and living God and worship their false god. Along comes a letter from one of the most beloved leaders of the Christians telling them just the opposite and in addition to this, it spells out in detail the downfall, destruction and ultimate fate of their enemies. One must ask, what would have been the consequences faced by the Christians if this letter fell into the hands of the authorities and they could understand it? The persecution of the Christians would have become worse and all copies of the letter would have been denied to them. The authorities who were oppressing the Christians don't want them to have any hope. They wanted them to give in and worship who they wanted them to worship. John's message of hope, perseverance and victory would have been rounded up and destroyed before it was copied and distributed all across the known world. One could only imagine how horrible it would have been for a Christian to be found in possession of such a letter.

The Revelation had to be copied and distributed freely across the known world in order for it to be effective. In order for this to happen, it's meaning could not be easily understood by the oppressing authorities of the time. So with that in mind, the message of Revelation was "symbolized" or "signified" as we see it in the very first verse of the book so that its true message was revealed in such a way that it could only be understood by those to whom it was intended. How did God do this? By using language that meant things only a Christian with knowledge of and access to the rest of scripture could possibly know
Someone who was not a Christian, who had never studied the scriptures, whether old or new, would never understand the message of Revelation. To them it would be a meaningless mass of nonsensical writing that only confirmed in their minds that the Christians were a bunch of loony fanatics who followed after a mystical and hard to understand God that posed no real threat to them and their way of life. The Christians were given a message of hope, perseverance and ultimate victory over their enemies that only they could understand and that would not bring any added persecution to them because of it.


BTW, I pasted this from a church website. I find it to be correct in my eyes. Plus, it has better sentence structure than I would have if I wronte all this.
 
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AnandaHya

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sorry katy there are already so many threads already talking about revelations I'm not sure how much more conversation you will get on this topic. Personally I think we should just read it and pray to God for answers because He is the only one who will have it 100 % right.
 
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Its a powerful book ,but its sad ppl argue n debate cuz they onli think their interpretation is right
 
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Scotth1960

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Dear Elizabeth619. For the best books on the whole New Testament (NT), including Revelation, go on GOOGLE at Amazon.com and purchase these 2 books.

The Orthodox New Testament: Volume 1. The Four Gospels. Buena Vista, CO: Holy Apostles Convent, 2000.
The Orthodox New Testament: Volume 2. Acts, Epistles, and Revelation. Buena Vista, CO: Holy Apostles Convent, 2000.

God bless you. In Erie Scott R. Harrington

The book of Revelation is one of the most interesting yet can be the most confusing books in the bible. Why is this? Well, lil ole me is about to tell you why. ;)
 
Revelation was written to an audience that would know what the message was and understand it the same as they did.
The first readers of John's Revelation were engaged in a life and death struggle against the forces of evil who were committed to their annihilation. Backing up and looking at this great book from a distance reveals that it is obviously a book of encouragement, perseverance and hope to an oppressed people. the general theme of the book is the bad guys lose and the good guys win. The book paints very vivid and horrific pictures of the fate that awaits the bad guys while likewise portrays the joy and happiness that rewards the good guys. Time and again, we are taken on a rollercoaster ride through the book with numerous scenes of God's wrath on His enemies and then His blessings and vengeful protection of his faithful children who are assured time and again that they will be victorious in the end and their enemies will suffer His eternal wrath.

The type of language used to write the Revelation is called "Apocalyptic". This word comes from the Greek word apokalupto (ap-ok-al-oop'-to), and simply means a "revealing" or to "reveal". This is where we get the word "Revelation". The book of Revelation is certainly not the only time God used this kind of language. The books of Daniel, Zechariah and others are instances where God used this kind of language in order to "reveal" what He wished to communicate. The words used in this kind of language have a symbolic meaning in the minds of the readers of the letter. For instance the word "Horn" is used in both Revelation and Daniel. To the Jews, the horn was an emblem of power (1 Kings 22:11). Samuel wrote, "and he shall give strength unto his king, and exalt the horn of his anointed" (1 Samuel 2:10). David wrote, "But my horn shalt thou exalt like the horn of an unicorn" (Psalms 92:10). The Jewish Christians who had converted from Judaism would be familiar with this and when they heard the word "horn" they would associate it with "strength and power" in their minds. So we see that the many words used as symbols in the Revelation have significant meanings to the people who would first read the letter. The symbolic meaning of the word "horn" would not be easily known to anybody who was not familiar with the Old Testament scriptures so those reading the letter would not be able to understand what it meant to the first readers of the letter. To you and I, a horn simply means the horn on some kind of animal like a rhinoceros or a water buffalo. So if we are to understand the Revelation, we must learn what the symbolic language contained therein meant to a particular group of the people who read the letter in the first century.


Why was this book written the way it was?
Language is symbolized in order to conceal it's meaning to all but to whom it is intended. The Christians at the time Revelation was written were undergoing severe persecution from their enemies. Just about everybody that was not a Christian was their enemy. Their enemies were viciously brutal and their lives hung in the balance on a daily basis. It was a crime against the laws of the government under which they lived to even be a Christian and the penalty for transgressing this law was often death.

In the book of Revelation, the Christians are told they will be victorious in the end and their enemies will be crushed in defeat. They are also told by God not to give in to their enemies and worship who they want them to worship, but to worship God and only God. The persecuting powers under which the Christians were living wanted them to give up the one true and living God and worship their false god. Along comes a letter from one of the most beloved leaders of the Christians telling them just the opposite and in addition to this, it spells out in detail the downfall, destruction and ultimate fate of their enemies. One must ask, what would have been the consequences faced by the Christians if this letter fell into the hands of the authorities and they could understand it? The persecution of the Christians would have become worse and all copies of the letter would have been denied to them. The authorities who were oppressing the Christians don't want them to have any hope. They wanted them to give in and worship who they wanted them to worship. John's message of hope, perseverance and victory would have been rounded up and destroyed before it was copied and distributed all across the known world. One could only imagine how horrible it would have been for a Christian to be found in possession of such a letter.

The Revelation had to be copied and distributed freely across the known world in order for it to be effective. In order for this to happen, it's meaning could not be easily understood by the oppressing authorities of the time. So with that in mind, the message of Revelation was "symbolized" or "signified" as we see it in the very first verse of the book so that its true message was revealed in such a way that it could only be understood by those to whom it was intended. How did God do this? By using language that meant things only a Christian with knowledge of and access to the rest of scripture could possibly know
Someone who was not a Christian, who had never studied the scriptures, whether old or new, would never understand the message of Revelation. To them it would be a meaningless mass of nonsensical writing that only confirmed in their minds that the Christians were a bunch of loony fanatics who followed after a mystical and hard to understand God that posed no real threat to them and their way of life. The Christians were given a message of hope, perseverance and ultimate victory over their enemies that only they could understand and that would not bring any added persecution to them because of it.


BTW, I pasted this from a church website. I find it to be correct in my eyes. Plus, it has better sentence structure than I would have if I wronte all this.
 

Elizabeth619

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Its a powerful book ,but its sad ppl argue n debate cuz they onli think their interpretation is right

You do realize this is a discussion forum when it is likely for people to debate. Correct?

Part of debating is also for people to learn as well. Not all debating is "arguing".

Also, if you actually READ what I posted you may see that this thread is in response to one someone else made. I was in fear that my post may take over their thread so I made my own, and that I also stated this post was MY opinion and MY views. I never said it is RIGHT as in how it should be.

I am one of the few that is open to differing opinions. So before you, or anyone criticizes a poster then read their post first. Thank you.
 

Elizabeth619

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Dear Elizabeth619. For the best books on the whole New Testament (NT), including Revelation, go on GOOGLE at Amazon.com and purchase these 2 books.

The Orthodox New Testament: Volume 1. The Four Gospels. Buena Vista, CO: Holy Apostles Convent, 2000.
The Orthodox New Testament: Volume 2. Acts, Epistles, and Revelation. Buena Vista, CO: Holy Apostles Convent, 2000.

God bless you. In Erie Scott R. Harrington

The book of Revelation is one of the most interesting yet can be the most confusing books in the bible. Why is this? Well, lil ole me is about to tell you why. ;)
 
Revelation was written to an audience that would know what the message was and understand it the same as they did.
The first readers of John's Revelation were engaged in a life and death struggle against the forces of evil who were committed to their annihilation. Backing up and looking at this great book from a distance reveals that it is obviously a book of encouragement, perseverance and hope to an oppressed people. the general theme of the book is the bad guys lose and the good guys win. The book paints very vivid and horrific pictures of the fate that awaits the bad guys while likewise portrays the joy and happiness that rewards the good guys. Time and again, we are taken on a rollercoaster ride through the book with numerous scenes of God's wrath on His enemies and then His blessings and vengeful protection of his faithful children who are assured time and again that they will be victorious in the end and their enemies will suffer His eternal wrath.

The type of language used to write the Revelation is called "Apocalyptic". This word comes from the Greek word apokalupto (ap-ok-al-oop'-to), and simply means a "revealing" or to "reveal". This is where we get the word "Revelation". The book of Revelation is certainly not the only time God used this kind of language. The books of Daniel, Zechariah and others are instances where God used this kind of language in order to "reveal" what He wished to communicate. The words used in this kind of language have a symbolic meaning in the minds of the readers of the letter. For instance the word "Horn" is used in both Revelation and Daniel. To the Jews, the horn was an emblem of power (1 Kings 22:11). Samuel wrote, "and he shall give strength unto his king, and exalt the horn of his anointed" (1 Samuel 2:10). David wrote, "But my horn shalt thou exalt like the horn of an unicorn" (Psalms 92:10). The Jewish Christians who had converted from Judaism would be familiar with this and when they heard the word "horn" they would associate it with "strength and power" in their minds. So we see that the many words used as symbols in the Revelation have significant meanings to the people who would first read the letter. The symbolic meaning of the word "horn" would not be easily known to anybody who was not familiar with the Old Testament scriptures so those reading the letter would not be able to understand what it meant to the first readers of the letter. To you and I, a horn simply means the horn on some kind of animal like a rhinoceros or a water buffalo. So if we are to understand the Revelation, we must learn what the symbolic language contained therein meant to a particular group of the people who read the letter in the first century.

Why was this book written the way it was?
Language is symbolized in order to conceal it's meaning to all but to whom it is intended. The Christians at the time Revelation was written were undergoing severe persecution from their enemies. Just about everybody that was not a Christian was their enemy. Their enemies were viciously brutal and their lives hung in the balance on a daily basis. It was a crime against the laws of the government under which they lived to even be a Christian and the penalty for transgressing this law was often death.

In the book of Revelation, the Christians are told they will be victorious in the end and their enemies will be crushed in defeat. They are also told by God not to give in to their enemies and worship who they want them to worship, but to worship God and only God. The persecuting powers under which the Christians were living wanted them to give up the one true and living God and worship their false god. Along comes a letter from one of the most beloved leaders of the Christians telling them just the opposite and in addition to this, it spells out in detail the downfall, destruction and ultimate fate of their enemies. One must ask, what would have been the consequences faced by the Christians if this letter fell into the hands of the authorities and they could understand it? The persecution of the Christians would have become worse and all copies of the letter would have been denied to them. The authorities who were oppressing the Christians don't want them to have any hope. They wanted them to give in and worship who they wanted them to worship. John's message of hope, perseverance and victory would have been rounded up and destroyed before it was copied and distributed all across the known world. One could only imagine how horrible it would have been for a Christian to be found in possession of such a letter.

The Revelation had to be copied and distributed freely across the known world in order for it to be effective. In order for this to happen, it's meaning could not be easily understood by the oppressing authorities of the time. So with that in mind, the message of Revelation was "symbolized" or "signified" as we see it in the very first verse of the book so that its true message was revealed in such a way that it could only be understood by those to whom it was intended. How did God do this? By using language that meant things only a Christian with knowledge of and access to the rest of scripture could possibly know
Someone who was not a Christian, who had never studied the scriptures, whether old or new, would never understand the message of Revelation. To them it would be a meaningless mass of nonsensical writing that only confirmed in their minds that the Christians were a bunch of loony fanatics who followed after a mystical and hard to understand God that posed no real threat to them and their way of life. The Christians were given a message of hope, perseverance and ultimate victory over their enemies that only they could understand and that would not bring any added persecution to them because of it.


BTW, I pasted this from a church website. I find it to be correct in my eyes. Plus, it has better sentence structure than I would have if I wronte all this.

Scott, as much as I disagree with most you say I can at least count on you to actually read posts before you respond. Thank you for that.

I am also not ordering any books from revelation. I have the bible about about 100 other books in my house right now ;)
 

Elizabeth619

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sorry katy there are already so many threads already talking about revelations I'm not sure how much more conversation you will get on this topic. Personally I think we should just read it and pray to God for answers because He is the only one who will have it 100 % right.

Who? Again. This is a discussion forum. If people do not want to read others views then don't enter threads. :)
 
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Laodicea

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Animals and their Parts
• Horse = Strength and Power in Battle Job 39:19, Psalms 147:10, Proverbs 21:31
• Dragon = Satan or his agency Isaiah 27:1;30:6, Psalm 74:13-14; Rev. 12:7-9; Ezekiel 29:3; Jeremiah 51:34
• Beast = Kingdom/government/political power Daniel 7:17, 23
• Lamb = Jesus/sacrifice John 1:29; 1 Corinthians 5:7
• Lion = Jesus/Powerful King i.e. Babylon Rev. 5:4-9, Jer. 50:43-44, Dan. 7:4,17,23
• Bear = Destructive Power / Medo Persia Proverbs 28:15, 2 Kings 2:23-24, Daniel 7:5
• Leopard = Greece Daniel 7:6
• Serpent = Satan Revelation 12:9; 20:2
• Tongue = Language / Speech Exodus 4:10
• Wolf = Disguised Enemies that hunt in a time of darkness Matthew 7:15
• Dove = Holy Spirit Mark 1:10
• Ram = Medo Persia Daniel 8:20
• Goat = Greece Daniel 8:21
• Horn = King or kingdom Daniel 7:24; 8:5, 21, 22; Zechariah 1:18, 19; Revelation 17:12
• Wings = Speed / Protection / Deliverance Deuteronomy 28:49, Matthew 23:37

Colors
• White = Purity Revelation 12:9; 20:2
• Blue = Law Numbers 15:38-39
• Purple = Royalty Mark 15:17, Judges 8:26
• Red/Scarlet = Sin/corruption Isaiah 1:18; Nahum 2:3; Revelation 17:1-4

Metals, Elements, and Natural Objects
• Gold = Pure Character Precious and Rare Isaiah 13:12
• Silver = Pure Words & Understanding Proverbs 2:4, 3:13-14, 10:20, 25:11, Psalms 12:6
• Brass, Tin, Iron, Lead, Silver dross = Impure Character Ezekiel 22:20-21
• Water = Holy Spirit / Everlasting Life John 7:39, 4:14, Rev. 22:17, Eph. 5:26
• Waters = Inhabited area/people, nations Revelation 17:15
• Fire = Holy Spirit Luke 3:16
• Tree = Cross; People / Nation Deut. 21:22-23, Psalm 92:12, 37:35,
• Seed = Descendents / Jesus Romans 9:8, Galatians 3:16
• Fruit = Works / Actions Galatians 5:22
• Fig Tree = A Nation that should bear fruit Luke 13:6-9
• Vineyard = Church that should bear fruit Luke 20:9-16
• Field = World Matthew 13:38, John 4:35
• Harvest = End of World Matthew 13:39
• Reapers = Angels Matthew 13:39
• Thorns / Thorny Ground = Cares of this life Mark 4:18-19
• Stars=Angels/messengers = Revelation 1:16, 20; 12:4, 7-9; Job 38:7
• Jordan = death Romans 6:4, Deuteronomy 4:22
• Mountains = Political or religio-political powers Isaiah 2:2, 3; Jeremiah 17:3; 31:23; 51:24, 25; Ezekiel 17:22, 23; Daniel 2:35, 44, 45
• Rock = Jesus/truth 1 Corinthians 10:4; Isaiah 8:13, 14; Romans 9:33; Matthew 7:24
• Sun = Jesus/the gospel Psalm 84:11; Malachi 4:2; Matthew 17:2; John 8:12; 9:5
• Winds=Strife/commotion/"winds of war"Jeremiah 25:31-33; 49:36, 37; 4:11-13; Zechariah 7:14

Miscellaneous Objects
• Lamp = Word of God Psalm 119:105
• Oil = Holy Spirit Zechariah 4:2-6; Revelation 4:5
• Sword = Word of God Ephesians 6:17; Hebrews 4:12
• Bread = Word of God John 6:35, 51, 52, 63
• Wine=blood/covenant/doctrines Luke 5:37
• Honey = happy life Ezekiel 20:6, Deuteronomy 8:8-9
Clothing = Character Isaiah 64:6, Isaiah 59:6
• Crown = A Glorious Ruler or Rulership Proverbs 16:31, Isaiah 28:5, Isaiah 62:3
• Ring = Authority Genesis 41:42-43, Esther 3:10-11
• Angel = Messenger Daniel 8:16; 9:21; Luke 1:19, 26; Hebrews 1:14
• Babylon = apostasy/confusion/rebellion Gen. 10:8-10; 11:6-9; Rev. 18:2, 3; 17:1-5
• Mark = Sign or seal of approval or disapproval Ezekiel 9:4; Romans 4:11; Revelation 13:17; 14:9-11; 7:2, 3
• Seal = Sign or mark of approval or disapproval Romans 4:11; Revelation 7:2, 3
• White Robes=Victory/righteousness Revelation 19:8; 3:5; 7:14
• Jar / Vessel=Person Jermiah 18:1-4, 2 Corinthians 4:7
• Time = 360 Day Daniel 4:16, 23, 25, 32; 7:25; Daniel 11:13 margin
• Times = 720 Days Daniel 7:25, Revelation 12:6,14, 13:5
• Day = Literal year Ezekiel 4:6; Numbers 14:34
• Trumpet = loud warning of God's approach Exodus 19:16-17, Joshua 6:4-5

Actions, Activities, and Physical States
• Healing = Salvation Luke 5:23-24
• Leprosy / Sickness = Sin Luke 5:23-24
• Famine = Dearth of Truth Amos 8:11

People and Body Parts
• Woman, Pure = True Church Jeremiah 6:2; 2 Corinthians 11:2; Ephesians 5:23-27
• Woman, Corrupt = Apostate church Ezk. 16:15-58; 23:2-21; Hos. 2:5; 3:1; Rev. 14:4
• Thief = Suddenness of Jesus' coming 1 Thessalonians 5:2-4; 2 Peter 3:10
• Hand = Deeds / Works / Actions Ecclesiastes 9:10, Isaiah 59:6
• Forehead = Mind Deuteronomy 6:6-8, Romans 7:25; Ezekiel 3:8, 9
• Feet = Your Walk / Direction Genesis 19:2, Psalm 119:105
• Eyes = Spiritual Discernment Matthew 13:10-17, 1 John 2:11
• Skin = Christ's righteousness Exodus 12:5, 1 Peter 1:19, Isaiah 1:4-6
• Harlot = Apostate church/religion Isaiah 1:21-27; Jeremiah 3:1-3; 6-9
• Heads = Major powers/rulers/governments Revelation 17:3, 9, 10
 
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Clarification/ Amplification: SEA = • Waters = Inhabited
area/people, nations Revelation 17:15


Good post Laodicea, are you SDA?
 
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BTW, I pasted this from a church website. I find it to be correct in my eyes. Plus, it has better sentence structure than I would have if I wronte all this.
Care to share your / the church's outline of the book of
Revelation?
 
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sorry katy (do you mean Elizabeth??) there are already so many threads already talking about
revelations I'm not sure how much more conversation you will get on this topic. Personally I think we
should just read it and pray to God for answers because He is the only one who will have it 100 % right.
AnandaHya,

I tend to agree and also get confused and a bit frustrated. Some other Christian Topic
forums go further in delineating the "Bible Discussion" section into other sections such as:

* Various Religions
* Various Doctrines
* Various Books of the Bible
* Various Topical studies
etc.
etc.


I think it would help a lot to eliminate redundancy and replication of effort if the
categories were more organized in such a way. It might also be a nice feature if either
the software or the administrators could either group or eliminate the
redundancy/replication.
By categorizing further, people would be able to post only in
those sub-topic forums. As to keeping people on topic within any forum, that is another
issue.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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The book of Revelation is one of the most interesting yet can be the most confusing books in the bible. Why is this? Well, lil ole me is about to tell you why. ;)
 
Revelation was written to an audience that would know what the message was and understand it the same as they did.
The first readers of John's Revelation were engaged in a life and death struggle against the forces of evil who were committed to their annihilation. Backing up and looking at this great book from a distance reveals that it is obviously a book of encouragement, perseverance and hope to an oppressed people. the general theme of the book is the bad guys lose and the good guys win. The book paints very vivid and horrific pictures of the fate that awaits the bad guys while likewise portrays the joy and happiness that rewards the good guys. Time and again, we are taken on a rollercoaster ride through the book with numerous scenes of God's wrath on His enemies and then His blessings and vengeful protection of his faithful children who are assured time and again that they will be victorious in the end and their enemies will suffer His eternal wrath.

The type of language used to write the Revelation is called "Apocalyptic". This word comes from the Greek word apokalupto (ap-ok-al-oop'-to), and simply means a "revealing" or to "reveal". This is where we get the word "Revelation". The book of Revelation is certainly not the only time God used this kind of language. The books of Daniel, Zechariah and others are instances where God used this kind of language in order to "reveal" what He wished to communicate. The words used in this kind of language have a symbolic meaning in the minds of the readers of the letter. For instance the word "Horn" is used in both Revelation and Daniel. To the Jews, the horn was an emblem of power (1 Kings 22:11). Samuel wrote, "and he shall give strength unto his king, and exalt the horn of his anointed" (1 Samuel 2:10). David wrote, "But my horn shalt thou exalt like the horn of an unicorn" (Psalms 92:10). The Jewish Christians who had converted from Judaism would be familiar with this and when they heard the word "horn" they would associate it with "strength and power" in their minds. So we see that the many words used as symbols in the Revelation have significant meanings to the people who would first read the letter. The symbolic meaning of the word "horn" would not be easily known to anybody who was not familiar with the Old Testament scriptures so those reading the letter would not be able to understand what it meant to the first readers of the letter. To you and I, a horn simply means the horn on some kind of animal like a rhinoceros or a water buffalo. So if we are to understand the Revelation, we must learn what the symbolic language contained therein meant to a particular group of the people who read the letter in the first century.


Why was this book written the way it was?
Language is symbolized in order to conceal it's meaning to all but to whom it is intended. The Christians at the time Revelation was written were undergoing severe persecution from their enemies. Just about everybody that was not a Christian was their enemy. Their enemies were viciously brutal and their lives hung in the balance on a daily basis. It was a crime against the laws of the government under which they lived to even be a Christian and the penalty for transgressing this law was often death.

In the book of Revelation, the Christians are told they will be victorious in the end and their enemies will be crushed in defeat. They are also told by God not to give in to their enemies and worship who they want them to worship, but to worship God and only God. The persecuting powers under which the Christians were living wanted them to give up the one true and living God and worship their false god. Along comes a letter from one of the most beloved leaders of the Christians telling them just the opposite and in addition to this, it spells out in detail the downfall, destruction and ultimate fate of their enemies. One must ask, what would have been the consequences faced by the Christians if this letter fell into the hands of the authorities and they could understand it? The persecution of the Christians would have become worse and all copies of the letter would have been denied to them. The authorities who were oppressing the Christians don't want them to have any hope. They wanted them to give in and worship who they wanted them to worship. John's message of hope, perseverance and victory would have been rounded up and destroyed before it was copied and distributed all across the known world. One could only imagine how horrible it would have been for a Christian to be found in possession of such a letter.

The Revelation had to be copied and distributed freely across the known world in order for it to be effective. In order for this to happen, it's meaning could not be easily understood by the oppressing authorities of the time. So with that in mind, the message of Revelation was "symbolized" or "signified" as we see it in the very first verse of the book so that its true message was revealed in such a way that it could only be understood by those to whom it was intended. How did God do this? By using language that meant things only a Christian with knowledge of and access to the rest of scripture could possibly know
Someone who was not a Christian, who had never studied the scriptures, whether old or new, would never understand the message of Revelation. To them it would be a meaningless mass of nonsensical writing that only confirmed in their minds that the Christians were a bunch of loony fanatics who followed after a mystical and hard to understand God that posed no real threat to them and their way of life. The Christians were given a message of hope, perseverance and ultimate victory over their enemies that only they could understand and that would not bring any added persecution to them because of it.


BTW, I pasted this from a church website. I find it to be correct in my eyes. Plus, it has better sentence structure than I would have if I wronte all this.
You know people always ask why God allows so much evil. Scripture states he is patient willing that non should parish. He has taken a "hands off" appraoch for reasons only he knows. we can just trust him when he says he does it so people can come to him (I guess it takes suffering for many to see their need for god. and if God dealt with evil like he wants to. And made everything hunky dory, Who would need God?)

Revelations is our answer. God is patient now. But there will be a day, when he is no longer patient. And mankind will feal his wrath. like never before. As Jesus said, there will be great tribulation. such as never before. nor will ever happ
en again after. This is as you asay a great message for us. But should be a warning to them.
 
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AnandaHya,

I tend to agree and also get confused and a bit frustrated. Some other Christian Topic
forums go further in delineating the "Bible Discussion" section into other sections such as:

* Various Religions
* Various Doctrines
* Various Books of the Bible
* Various Topical studies
etc.
etc.


I think it would help a lot to eliminate redundancy and replication of effort if the
categories were more organized in such a way. It might also be a nice feature if either
the software or the administrators could either group or eliminate the
redundancy/replication.
By categorizing further, people would be able to post only in
those sub-topic forums. As to keeping people on topic within any forum, that is another
issue.
Something simular was suggested a couple years back when the forums was first introduced. It was a no go then however you may have better luck.
 
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tHanks for the post in the OP. It does though leave out a few things, like the fact that Revelation is a mixture of various messages:
1) Revelation of the person of Jesus as he gives an oracle for the churches both praise and criticism
2) Apacalypitic writings and the woes against the enemies and comfort that the persecution would only last a short time.
3) Revelation about the way of worship of the Lamb in heaven (the Catholic Mass is based on it)
4) Revelation of the victory of Jesus and the
5) Marriage of the Lamb to the church
6 Revelation of the beauty of Heaven and the light of God in it.

Thanks,
H.
 
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The book of Revelation promotes three types of genres:

1)Letter/Epistle
2)Revelation/Apocalypse
3)Prophecy/Prophecy :)

These three different forms of writing styles/genres blend together into a cohesive unity thus forming a relatively distinct and multi nuanced literary composition.

John is not drafting this as he is seeing it. He shows reflection and intentionality with how he weaves the message of the Revelation. Again, John is writing into a contemporaneous Sitz im Leben i.e. a historical setting which involve local communities in Asia Minor that are going through or about to go through severe testing, trial and (from John's perspective) a testimony unto death! John wants to encourage them to be overcomers and utilizes the rich tapestry of this book to do so.
 
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The book of Revelation promotes three types of genres:

1)Letter/Epistle
2)Revelation/Apocalypse
3)Prophecy/Prophecy :)

These three different forms of writing styles/genres blend together into a cohesive unity thus forming a relatively distinct and multi nuanced literary composition.

John is not drafting this as he is seeing it. He shows reflection and intentionality with how he weaves the message of the Revelation. Again, John is writing into a contemporaneous Sitz im Leben i.e. a historical setting which involve local communities in Asia Minor that are going through or about to go through severe testing, trial and (from John's perspective) a testimony unto death! John wants to encourage them to be overcomers and utilizes the rich tapestry of this book to do so.
yes. In addirion to the histroicity of it being time specific to the ancient churches there are timeless elements to it. Its historicity stretches into the future and into our time; writing such as the light of heaven, the victorious nature of Christ and his work and his office. It also gives us examples of how to worship tGod with reverence and humility.


Rev 4
10The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying, 11Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
 
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A brief structure/outline of the book:

Chapters 1-3 Letter and intro to those in asia minor. John seeks to encourage the churches by encouraging the believers there to "be overcomers" and gives promises to those that do...

Chapers 4-18 traditional apocalyptic imagery to show those believers "how" they are to "overcome", in short by understanding God is behind the systems of the world and is working His eternal purposes thru the believers temporary sufferings.

Chapters 19-22 The prophetic promises to those who do "overcome", ultimately ruling and reigning with Christ

Again, Chapters 1-3 highlight the need to deal with their issues and become overcomers (letter)
Chapters 4-18 show the means to be overcomers (apocalyptic)
Chapters 19-22 the prophecy of those that do overcome (prophecy)
 
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Revelation Overviews

Now before we proceed with our studies of the book of Revelation, I
would like to provide you with an outline of the Book of Revelation as a
useful guide to your study of the book. This outline shows you the
structure of the book. Use this outline for reference as you study.

Note: Verses in parentheses are links to scripture

(1) The Revelation of Christ (Rev 1-5)

PROLOGUE

The book’s own introduction to itself (Rev 1:1-7)
First vision —a vision of Christ (Rev 1:8-20)


SEVEN CHURCHES

(1st) Ephesus (Rev 2:1-7)
(2nd) Smyrna (Rev 2:8-11)
(3rd) Pergamum (Rev 2:12-17)
(4th) Thyatira (Rev 2:18-29)
(5th) Sardis (Rev 3:1-6)
(6th) Philadelphia (Rev 3:7-13)
(7th) Laodicea (Rev 3:14-22)


SEVEN SCENES IN HEAVEN

(1st) The elders around the throne (Rev 4:1-5)
(2nd) The four living creatures (Rev 4:6-11)
(3rd) The sealed scroll (Rev 5:1-4)
(4th) The worthy Lamb (Rev 5:5-7)
(5th) Song of the creatures & elders (Rev 5:8-10)
(6th) Song of the angels (Rev 5:11-12)
(7th) Song of the universe (Rev 5:13-14)


(2) Times of Tribulation (Rev 6-11)


SEVEN SEALS
(1st) White horse of earthly conquest and dominion (Rev 6:1-2)
(2nd) Red horse of slaughter and bloodshed (Rev 6:3-4)
(3rd) Black horse of commerce and economic crisis (Rev 6:5-6)
(4th) Pale horse of death (Rev 6:7-8)
(5th) The little while (Rev 6:9-11)
The day of God's wrath (Rev 6:12-17)
(6th) The multitudes of saved (Rev 7:1-17)
(7th) Seventh Seal Broken (Rev 8:1-5)


SEVEN TRUMPETS

(1st) Scourge of earth (Rev 8:6-7)
(2nd) Scourge of sea (Rev 8:8-9)
(3rd) Scourge of rivers (Rev 8:10-11)
(4th) Scourge of the heavens (Rev 8:12)
Eagle announces three woes (Rev 8:13)
The bottomless pit (Rev 9:1-2)
(5th) 1st woe, Plague of locusts (Rev 9:3-12)
(6th) 2nd woe, The killing horses (Rev 9:12-21)
The little book (Rev 10:1-11)
The two witnesses prophesy (Rev 11:1-6)
The two witnesses killed (Rev 11:7-13)
(7th) 3rd woe, God's wrath and the Eternal Kingdom (Rev 11:14-19)


(3) The Judgment of the Beasts (Rev 12-20)

SEVEN SIGNS

(1st) A splendid woman gives birth to a man child (Rev 12:1-4)
(2nd) The dragon Appears from the sky (Rev 12:5-6)
~ The man child's ascension (Rev 12:5-6)
~ The dragon's defeat in heaven (Rev 12:7-9)
~ Heaven's victory song (Rev 12:10-12)
~ The woman's escape (Rev 12:13-17)
(3rd) The Beast
~ Appears from the sea (Rev 13:1-2)
~ Has dragon's authority (Rev 13:3-10)
(4th) The False prophet
~ Appears from the earth (Rev 13:11)
~ Has beast's authority (Rev 13:12)
~ His great deception (Rev 13:13-14)
~ The image he made live (Rev 13:15)
~ The mark of the beast (Rev 13:16-17)
~ The number of the beast (Rev 13:18)
(5th) The Lamb on Mount Zion (Rev 14:1-5)
(6th) Three angelic messengers (Rev 14:6-13)
(7th) The two reapers (Rev 14:14-20)


SEVEN PLAGUES

The heavenly singers (Rev 15:1-8)
The bowls of God's wrath (Rev 16:1-21)


SEVEN FINAL VISIONS

(1st) The atrocious woman, Mother of Harlots (Rev 17:1-6)
~ An angel explains (Rev 17:11-18)
(2nd) Seven songs of woe to "Babylon"
~ The angel from heaven (Rev 18:1-3)
~ Second voice from heaven (Rev 18:4-9)
~ Kings of earth (Rev 18:9-10)
~ The merchants (Rev 18:11-17)
~ The sailors (Rev 18:18-20)
~ A mighty angel (Rev 18:21-24)
~ Multitude in heaven (Rev 19:1-3)
(3rd) The wedding supper announced (Rev 19:4-10)
(4th) King on a white horse (Rev 19:11-21)
(5th) The Abyss and thousand years (Rev 20:1-10)
(6th) The dead are judged (Rev 20:11-15)


(4) The Beauty of Heaven (Rev 21-22)


(7th) Heaven for the Saved
~ New heavens and new earth (Rev 21:1-8)
~ The heavenly city (Rev 21:9-27)
~ The heavenly Eden (Rev 22:1-5)


EPILOGUE

The last words of Jesus (Rev 22:6-21)


Outline of Revelation
Overview: Revelation's Structure
By Ron Graham

Bible Study - Churches of Christ - Simply Bible Simply Christians
This is not a recommendation for any particular web site, church or religion, but thanks
to the author as referenced above.
 
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I suggest we / one could have a study on each major section of SEVENS:

* 7 Churches
* 7 Scenes
* 7 Seals
* 7 Trumpets
* 7 Signs
* 7 Plagues
* 7 Visions