BIDEN PROMOTES TRANSGENDER SURGERY FOR CHILDREN

[Cameron143]

I think you make the mistake in your rationale because you argue from the false perspective that Christianity is tolerant and promotes freedom.

This is patently false as the Bible proves. As does also the history of the faith.

I will not cite supporting scripture because those should be known among the faithful already.

Homosexuality is an abomination unto the Lord. As is Transsexuality, when were told there
shall not be a garment of a man on a woman, and a man will not wear the garment of a woman, because everyone who does these things is defiled before LORD JEHOVAH your God.


You continue to reiterate and glorify man's law in your arguments against God's word.
However Christians are not suppose to be of this world though we live in it. And we certainly do not glorify and defend sins God identified as detestable and abomination to him.

Our brother is correct. You are only pretending to your eternal detriment. You are not an example of a former atheist.

Rather, you are an example of one posing as a member in Christ's body. Someone who is so dedicated to contrarianism as to not realize scripture destroys your worldly advocacy for carnal sins and immoral depravity. Your advocacy for those articles of damnation and heralding of the freedom to engage in them is in opposition to righteousness and God's creation.
And God is not fooled. Nor should we be.

You speak against scripture because in truth it means nothing to you.
God knows you'll regret that.

These are hard words to hear for you Jaybo but dripping in truth. Please take a moment to reflect on their veracity apart from their harshness.

 

[Papermonkey]

I think mentally or physically impaired people can lead normal lives, relatively speaking, but will probably require some accommodations.

I think those suffering gender dysphoria are being betrayed by a system that first vows, do no harm.

Rather than treating those who suffer gender dysmorphia, the medical and mental health sciences are supporting the dis-ease in those patients.

Allowing the mental illness to not only continue unattended or unabated by proper therapies but also are furthering the mental illness protection to proliferate by law.
And now this malpractice is encompassing impressionable children.

That isn't tolerance. That's resignation and betrayal. And to further the offense high profile afflicted person's, like Bruce Jenner and Cher's daughter Chastity Bono, are celebrated for coming out as proud untreated victims of the mental infirmity that is gender dysmorphia.

In this world where Satan is LORD , truth is prosecuted and sin and depravity protected by man's law.
God does not approve nor defend this. Nor should we.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

It's a Trans World

Saul Alinsky got his wish... he'd rather be in Hell with the have nots.

...not talking about the Pontiac Trans Am.

 

[Runningman]

I think those suffering gender dysphoria are being betrayed by a system that first vows, do no harm.

Rather than treating those who suffer gender dysmorphia, the medical and mental health sciences are supporting the dis-ease in those patients.

Allowing the mental illness to not only continue unattended or unabated by proper therapies but also are furthering the mental illness protection to proliferate by law.
And now this malpractice is encompassing impressionable children.

That isn't tolerance. That's resignation and betrayal. And to further the offense high profile afflicted person's, like Bruce Jenner and Cher's daughter Chastity Bono, are celebrated for coming out as proud untreated victims of the mental infirmity that is gender dysmorphia.

In this world where Satan is LORD , truth is prosecuted and sin and depravity protected by man's law.
God does not approve nor defend this. Nor should we.

I agree, but I am of the mindset that the world is going to sail itself into perdition regardless of how hard you try to stop it. Sure, we can snatch some from the flames, so to speak, but there's no stopping the inevitable.

Even in the unlikely scenario the USA was able to install a Christian theocracy, it would probably be rampant with corruption and do you really want the government dictating to you what your beliefs will be? That's what happens in a theocracy and there won't be a legit Christian theocracy until the Millennial Kingdom of Christ.

So we can't really impose a "no sin allowed" law upon people because it wouldn't work. People don't stop sinning even when the penalty is death and/or destruction; the Bible proves it. So what can we do about people who need help? Well, unfortunately, there are people who don't know they need help, yet, because they've been enabled and validated. Their heart needs to be reached, their thoughts and feelings. That's where true change begins. Trust me, I don't do anything until it gets into my heart.

Perhaps, the best way to reach people, not just the ones we're discussing, but people in general is by giving them what they need and it isn't instant, most of the time, in my experience. Relationships must be built, trust must be gained, and we got to walk the walk and talk the talk. If unsaved people are going to want what we have, they need to see that what we have has made us better version of the person they are and could make them who they want to be.

 

[Papermonkey]

I agree, but I am of the mindset that the world is going to sail itself into perdition regardless of how hard you try to stop it. Sure, we can snatch some from the flames, so to speak, but there's no stopping the inevitable.

Even in the unlikely scenario the USA was able to install a Christian theocracy, it would probably be rampant with corruption and do you really want the government dictating to you what your beliefs will be? That's what happens in a theocracy and there won't be a legit Christian theocracy until the Millennial Kingdom of Christ.

So we can't really impose a "no sin allowed" law upon people because it wouldn't work. People don't stop sinning even when the penalty is death and/or destruction; the Bible proves it. So what can we do about people who need help? Well, unfortunately, there are people who don't know they need help, yet, because they've been enabled and validated. Their heart needs to be reached, their thoughts and feelings. That's where true change begins. Trust me, I don't do anything until it gets into my heart.

Perhaps, the best way to reach people, not just the ones we're discussing, but people in general is by giving them what they need and it isn't instant, most of the time, in my experience. Relationships must be built, trust must be gained, and we got to walk the walk and talk the talk. If unsaved people are going to want what we have, they need to see that what we have has made us better version of the person they are and could make them who they want to be.

No, we can't impose a Christian theocracy upon America. That undertaking failed early on. And as example, with horrific consequence in just the New England Puritan community.

However, I would suggest common sense and morality are not exclusive to Christianity.

We cannot concede to the neologism , Theybies. A non-binary term that allows newborns to grow and later identify by the gender of their choice. Or elect no gender applies.
Meanwhile puberty is going to have its say unless or until the prepubescent Theybie chooses to be prescribed hormone blockers to thwart that.

In matters of Salvation, God calls whom he will to his grace.
He tells us things of the spirit appear as foolishness to those in their worldly mind. Because only Holy Spirit changes that.

Take this community as the microcosm in contrast to the macrocosm,world.

Christians and the Christian spirit abound here. What do we encounter, and as I've checked those profiles that allow, amid those opposed to that spirit and have been active for years.

We example faith in Christ,yes. However, unless or until Holy Spirit wills, we will not cause the worldly consciousness to abate.
And as we sometimes read, and as proof of what God forewarned, our behaviors in Christ will not only appear as foolishness to the worldly but, will be received and responded to as such.

I am not responsible for someone who dies in their sin.

We are to reflect the spirit of Christ as dwellers in the kingdom of God wherein we dwell. Being we are in this world where Satan is LORD, yet are not of this world.

Standing for righteousness is a calling. And I think a duty.

Just my view.

 

[Cameron143]

I agree, but I am of the mindset that the world is going to sail itself into perdition regardless of how hard you try to stop it. Sure, we can snatch some from the flames, so to speak, but there's no stopping the inevitable.

Even in the unlikely scenario the USA was able to install a Christian theocracy, it would probably be rampant with corruption and do you really want the government dictating to you what your beliefs will be? That's what happens in a theocracy and there won't be a legit Christian theocracy until the Millennial Kingdom of Christ.

So we can't really impose a "no sin allowed" law upon people because it wouldn't work. People don't stop sinning even when the penalty is death and/or destruction; the Bible proves it. So what can we do about people who need help? Well, unfortunately, there are people who don't know they need help, yet, because they've been enabled and validated. Their heart needs to be reached, their thoughts and feelings. That's where true change begins. Trust me, I don't do anything until it gets into my heart.

Perhaps, the best way to reach people, not just the ones we're discussing, but people in general is by giving them what they need and it isn't instant, most of the time, in my experience. Relationships must be built, trust must be gained, and we got to walk the walk and talk the talk. If unsaved people are going to want what we have, they need to see that what we have has made us better version of the person they are and could make them who they want to be.

I agree with most of your argument, but would add the following just for consideration.
I don't know if you have children, but when my children were young I gave them rules to follow. I didn't explain them because they couldn't understand at that point. These rules were designed to protect them. So...don't play in the street became a rule and because children are apt to forget and often rebellious, the constant reminder served as a means of breaking the rule. As they grew in maturity, the value and prudence of such a rule was internalized and the reminder outwardly was no longer necessary.
It works essentially the same way with God's rules. Believers do not need constant outward reminders because the rules are written upon our hearts. This is not the case for those who remained unredeemed. For them, a regular reminder of the rules can and does restrain sin.

 

[Eli1]

I dunno why these topic of trans/gays and abortions get so much mileage.

Here‘s a short version:

We don’t condone these lifestyles and we don’t allow them in our families and we won’t accept them if they’re forced onto us.
That’s it.
Right?

 

[Cameron143]

I agree with most of your argument, but would add the following just for consideration.
I don't know if you have children, but when my children were young I gave them rules to follow. I didn't explain them because they couldn't understand at that point. These rules were designed to protect them. So...don't play in the street became a rule and because children are apt to forget and often rebellious, the constant reminder served as a means of breaking the rule. As they grew in maturity, the value and prudence of such a rule was internalized and the reminder outwardly was no longer necessary.
It works essentially the same way with God's rules. Believers do not need constant outward reminders because the rules are written upon our hearts. This is not the case for those who remained unredeemed. For them, a regular reminder of the rules can and does restrain sin.

It should say served as a means to deter them from breaking the rule.

 

[presidente]

This would perhaps work in a dictatorship, but I'm thankful that I live in a democracy that protects people's rights.

And then you switch to "so-called gay marriage", which is another example of individual's rights under law. And then you bring in beastiality! Any further unrelated topics that you want to bring into the subject of transgender surgery?

There is a theme that ties it all together-bizarre sexual percersion.

Jow is mutilating children's genitals a right? We live in a Republic btw, and if our representatives vote to penalize mutilating children, what is wrong with that?

 

[presidente]

What makes you think that transgender surgery prevents people from living "normal lives" (what ever that means)?

'Male to female' trans individuals have many times the attempted and actual suicide rates. They also even have more medical issues like heart and lung issues. Pumping a man full of female hormones is not a wise thing to do.

A decade ago, a boy sees the girls painting their faces and he is not allowed to play so he says he wishes he were a girl. Back then the parents encourage him that it is good to be a boy.

But nowadays says if he has left-wing parents who subscribe to the evil 80th C of a current philosophy they start talking to him about taking puberty blockers and having gender reassignment surgery. Brainwashed left wing teachers in schools without common sensemay tell the children that there are many many different genders in the children maybe a gender that doesn't match with their sex and they may teach this stupid philosophy to Paul herbal children who end up getting their body parts chopped off later on in life and setting himself up for suicide motional problems and physical health problems.


Then the poor child who ends up regretting this later already lost the private their private parts and they cannot reverse what happened to them.

 

[presidente]

What makes you think that transgender surgery prevents people from living "normal lives" (what ever that means)?

If a doctor removed parts of your private parts and refashioned them to look like the oppisite gender so that basically almost no one of the opposite sex would be attracted to you would you live a 'normal life'?

 

[Seeker47]

I dunno why these topic of trans/gays and abortions get so much mileage.

Here‘s a short version:

We don’t condone these lifestyles and we don’t allow them in our families and we won’t accept them if they’re forced onto us.
That’s it.
Right?

You are absolutely correct, that is the summary and most of these threads are a waste of time. However; these issues become much sharper when "Christians" have to confront these issues on a personal level. There hasn't been much discussion of showing Yeshua's love to a transgendered loved one; but I guess that can't happen in a Christian home.

 

[jaybo]

You are absolutely correct, that is the summary and most of these threads are a waste of time. However; these issues become much sharper when "Christians" have to confront these issues on a personal level. There hasn't been much discussion of showing Yeshua's love to a transgendered loved one; but I guess that can't happen in a Christian home.

Your last sentence is interesting. I agree that there hasn't been much discussion of showing Yeshua's love to a transgendered loved one (or any trangendered person). As Christians we are told to love our neighbor, yet there are many Christians who are apparently incapable of doing that. They choose to judge others, not love them, which is very sad.

I'm not sure what you meant by the last phrase. Why can't showing Yeshua's love happen in a Christian home?

 

[jaybo]

If a doctor removed parts of your private parts and refashioned them to look like the oppisite gender so that basically almost no one of the opposite sex would be attracted to you would you live a 'normal life'?

Is this supposed to be some sort of riddle?

a) How do you know if almost no one of the opposite gender would be attracted to you? And which gender is the opposite: the one you were born with or the one that you chose?

b) What do you define as a 'normal life'? And why would transgender surgery affect the way you live?

 

[jaybo]

'Male to female' trans individuals have many times the attempted and actual suicide rates. They also even have more medical issues like heart and lung issues. Pumping a man full of female hormones is not a wise thing to do.

A decade ago, a boy sees the girls painting their faces and he is not allowed to play so he says he wishes he were a girl. Back then the parents encourage him that it is good to be a boy.

But nowadays says if he has left-wing parents who subscribe to the evil 80th C of a current philosophy they start talking to him about taking puberty blockers and having gender reassignment surgery. Brainwashed left wing teachers in schools without common sensemay tell the children that there are many many different genders in the children maybe a gender that doesn't match with their sex and they may teach this stupid philosophy to Paul herbal children who end up getting their body parts chopped off later on in life and setting himself up for suicide motional problems and physical health problems.


Then the poor child who ends up regretting this later already lost the private their private parts and they cannot reverse what happened to them.

What is your evidence for saying that 'Male to female' trans individuals have many times the attempted and actual suicide rates. If that is actually the case, was it before or after the surgery? Maybe they were contemplating suicide because they couldn't tolerate their birth gender.

And your evidence for saying that "They also even have more medical issues like heart and lung issues" is???

"Pumping a man full of female hormones is not a wise thing to do" is just your opinion, nothing more.

The rest of your post isn't worth discussing, since it's nothing but hypothetical musing to try to justify your opinion (and it's sloppily-written).

 

[jaybo]

There is a theme that ties it all together-bizarre sexual percersion.

Jow is mutilating children's genitals a right? We live in a Republic btw, and if our representatives vote to penalize mutilating children, what is wrong with that?

a) What is "percersion"? I know of no such word.
b) People must be free to make decisions regarding their own bodies. It's not the role of the government to restrict people's those freedoms. A number of years ago, I had a vasectomy. Should the government have had the right to prevent that elective surgery?

 

[jaybo]

I dunno why these topic of trans/gays and abortions get so much mileage.

Here‘s a short version:

We don’t condone these lifestyles and we don’t allow them in our families and we won’t accept them if they’re forced onto us.
That’s it.
Right?

Here is a better version: love your neighbor as yourself. Who are you to interfere in someone else's life?

 

[jaybo]

I think those suffering gender dysphoria are being betrayed by a system that first vows, do no harm.

Rather than treating those who suffer gender dysmorphia, the medical and mental health sciences are supporting the dis-ease in those patients.

Allowing the mental illness to not only continue unattended or unabated by proper therapies but also are furthering the mental illness protection to proliferate by law.
And now this malpractice is encompassing impressionable children.

That isn't tolerance. That's resignation and betrayal. And to further the offense high profile afflicted person's, like Bruce Jenner and Cher's daughter Chastity Bono, are celebrated for coming out as proud untreated victims of the mental infirmity that is gender dysmorphia.

In this world where Satan is LORD , truth is prosecuted and sin and depravity protected by man's law.
God does not approve nor defend this. Nor should we.

What is "gender dysmorphia"? I can't find any definition of it. If you mean "Gender dysphoria". that is a term that describes a sense of unease that a person may have because of a mismatch between their biological sex and their gender identity. This sense of unease or dissatisfaction may be so intense it can lead to depression and anxiety and have a harmful impact on daily life. " Is that what you want people to experience?

Your graphics are bizarre!

 

[Nehemiah6]

It's not the role of the government to restrict people's those freedoms.

What you are forgetting is that it is not the role of government to be funding abortions or genital mutilations or any transgenderism. It is not the role of the government to promote same-sex marriages or any of the perversions associated with LGBTQ. People have not lost their freedoms to be sexual perverts privately but when tax dollars are used to actually pay for sexual perversions then you have a very serious problem. The government is actually establishing a DEMONIC CULT OF SEXUAL PERVERTS. And the Satanist church claims that abortions are part of their Satanic rituals.

 

[presidente]

You are absolutely correct, that is the summary and most of these threads are a waste of time. However; these issues become much sharper when "Christians" have to confront these issues on a personal level. There hasn't been much discussion of showing Yeshua's love to a transgendered loved one; but I guess that can't happen in a Christian home.

How many Christian homes, where following the faith of Christ is something central in the home, have a 'transgendered loved one' living there?