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Reborn-Adopted said:
What do you think is being Said here?

[1 John 3:3-10] "And everyone who has this hope fixed on Him purifies himself, just as He is pure. Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness. You know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin. No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him. Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother."
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Your quoting from the same text (1 John) again, but you do not understand the text (1 John).

True righteousness is love from a pure heart.

1 John 3:13
Do not be surprised, brothers and sisters, if the world hates you. We know that we have passed out of death into life, because we love the brothers and sisters. The one who does not love remains in death.

1 John 4:7-8
Beloved, let’s love one another; for love is from God, and everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. The one who does not love does not know God, because God is love.

Lots of people misunderstand 1 John.
 
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Your quoting from the same text (1 John) again, but you do not understand the text (1 John).

True righteousness is love from a pure heart.

1 John 3:13
Do not be surprised, brothers and sisters, if the world hates you. We know that we have passed out of death into life, because we love the brothers and sisters. The one who does not love remains in death.

1 John 4:7-8
Beloved, let’s love one another; for love is from God, and everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. The one who does not love does not know God, because God is love.

Lots of people misunderstand 1 John.
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Love is through The Son ...and you can't do that with sin your Relationship with Him.
 
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Cameron143 said:
This is what Reborn-Adopted is advocating incorrectly. Because he believes this falsehood, his doctrine is flawed in many ways.
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Let's help each other learn and grow then. You have certainly helped me be patient with some of the others, and I thank you for that. :)(y)
 
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Cameron143 said:
Walking after the flesh or not determines sin not condemnation. Condemnation is determined by whether one is in Christ or not.
It's an important distinction. Otherwise, whether someone sins or not would determine an individuals eternal estate. But the verse clearly teaches that it is a person's position in Christ and not sinless perfection that is the determining factor.
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It's like you stop reading the Verse half way through.

[Rom 8:1 KJV] There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
 
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Reborn-Adopted said:
Love is through The Son ...and you can't do that with sin your Relationship with Him.
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The problem is that you cannot stop sinning.

Sinless perfection is not the ball game in Christianity.

Jesus has gifted you to love others.

Jesus has not gifted you to be sin free.

Are your daily thoughts filled with the love of Jesus and the love you have for your enemies?
 
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Reborn-Adopted said:
It's like you stop reading the Verse half way through.

[Rom 8:1 KJV] There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
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It is the walk of love, sir.

To emulate Christ is to love others.

1 John 4:7-8
Beloved, let’s love one another; for love is from God, and everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. The one who does not love does not know God, because God is love.
 
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It is the walk of love, sir.

To emulate Christ is to love others.

1 John 4:7-8
Beloved, let’s love one another; for love is from God, and everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. The one who does not love does not know God, because God is love.
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Yeah yeah, GOD love yours sin ..sure, go with that.
 
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Reborn-Adopted said:
It's like you stop reading the Verse half way through.

[Rom 8:1 KJV] There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
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I didn't stop. I just distinguished what is being taught.
 
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Reborn-Adopted said:
Love is through The Son ...and you can't do that with sin your Relationship with Him.
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You keep generating the same paradigm each time.

Your going to repent from sin and achieve sinless perfection.

Is your personal, sinless perfection, the destination of the Christian life?

Or is our destination in the Christian life, love from a pure heart.

1 Peter 4:8
Above all, keep fervent in your love for one another, because love covers a multitude of sins.
 
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yeah just bizarre stuff but like I was saying it’s because you shout over the scripture and refuse to hear it

willful sin is when you realize you have sinned and are sinning and refuse to acknolwedge it and repent in other words willful sin is understood here

“If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭1:8-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

willful sin is when you know you have sinned and pretend you didn’t you do this because your Will is to keep sinning , and not repent. If we sin we have to acknolwedge it before God it’s not a pleasant thing to do , but when we do acknolwedge it and repent he’s always going to forgive us because that’s not willful sin

If sin is willful people hide it so they don’t receive rebuke or correction and can keep willfully doing it

ashen we pretend we don’t need to repent it’s willful sin

When we pretend we aren’t sinning when we know we are that’s willful sin we’re trying to preserve the sin and be saved by serving it when we acknolwedge our sins and repent Jesus will not fail to do what he promised even if next week we find ourself in some sin , we arent lost we just have to acknolwedge it and repent and get back on track

a you can’t diminish the value of Christs blood either way by saying “ I can now sin all I want to and I’m saved “ or by saying “ now if I ever sin again I’m lost “

It’s about this now

“and said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: ( jesus died and rose )

and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And ye are witnesses of these things.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:46-48‬ ‭KJV‬

Ots about repentance and remission of sins not about let’s keep imputing sin by the law . if we pretend we aren’t out of line when we see what Jesus is saying we need to repent and believe him

start here since you were going on about jesus being your LORD

“But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.

Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall be given into your bosom.

For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.

And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:35-38, 46‬ ‭KJV‬‬

he isn’t saying “ why do you call me lord and don’t you do what Moses and Joshua and Ezekiel said ?”

Hes saying “ why do you call me Lord and don’t you do what I say ?”

“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We have to go to Christs doctrine to belong to Christ it’s totally different than Moses law

“Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me. If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.


Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?”
‭‭John‬ ‭7:16-17, 19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we can’t keep looking at the knowledge of sin that’s never saved anyone , we have to start hearing the call to repentance and remission of sins in the gospel
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What is Written to your heart if you are still doing sin that you haven't repented of? We all know what the main problem is ...porn. Are you excusing it?

[Ecc 7:29 KJV] Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.
 
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Cameron143 said:
I didn't stop. I just distinguished what is being taught.
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walking after the flesh (sin) is separation in your Relationship with Him.

JESUS Made It so we don't have to be literally crucified ...we get Spiritually Baptized now by Denying ourselves new sins ...aka Full Repentance. We still have to get Water Baptized at some point.
 
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Reborn-Adopted said:
What is Written to your heart if you are still doing sin that you haven't repented of? We all know what the main problem is ...porn. Are you excusing it?
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Porn is not the main problem.

I personally have no interest in pornography.

It seems you do protest too much about pornography.

I do know that pornography and gambling dominate the internet.

Amongst Christians, the primary sin would more than likely be, selfish lifestyles.
 
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Reborn-Adopted said:
walking after the flesh (sin) is separation in your Relationship with Him.

JESUS Made It so we don't have to be literally crucified ...we get Spiritually Baptized now by Denying ourselves new sins. We still have to get Water Baptized at some point.
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Water baptism or the baptism with fire that Jesus promised?
 
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Reborn-Adopted said:
Yeah yeah, GOD love yours sin ..sure, go with that.
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You never knew Jesus if you do not love others. That's what the verse is saying.

1 John 3:13
Do not be surprised, brothers and sisters, if the world hates you. We know that we have passed out of death into life, because we love the brothers and sisters. The one who does not love remains in death.

You have been warned.
 
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Water baptism or the baptism with fire that Jesus promised?
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[Jhn 3:5 KJV] Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
 
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You never knew Jesus if you do not love others. That's what the verse is saying.

1 John 3:13
Do not be surprised, brothers and sisters, if the world hates you. We know that we have passed out of death into life, because we love the brothers and sisters. The one who does not love remains in death.

You have been warned.
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yeah, you are trying to say to be a humanitarian ...instead of rejecting sin ...i see your con.
 
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Porn is not the main problem.

I personally have no interest in pornography.

It seems you do protest too much about pornography.

I do know that pornography and gambling dominate the internet.

Amongst Christians, the primary sin would more than likely be, selfish lifestyles.
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oh, so people are in active rebellion because of their lifestyle? that can be a thing if you are greedy and don't help the poor ...but that isn't most people ...no, most males are playing games because of porn.
 
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