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HealthAndHappiness

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So you gather together with pitchforks to get The Truth banned from this site? Ask yourself who your father is.
I know my Father because He adopted me when His only begotten Son saved me, NOT by works of righteousness which I have done, but according to His mercy He saved me.
 
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I know my Father because He adopted me when His only begotten Son saved me, NOT by works of righteousness which I have done, but according to His mercy He saved me.
[Tit 3:8 KJV] This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.

James 2:24 NKJV — You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

[Jhn 14:12 KJV] Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
 
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There is not a better Verse to show the fraud that martin luther was than this:

James 2:24 NKJV — You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
 

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There is not a better Verse to show the fraud that martin luther was than this:

James 2:24 NKJV — You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
Yes. But the question becomes what works? And what is the source of the works?
 

HealthAndHappiness

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[Tit 3:8 KJV] This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.

James 2:24 NKJV — You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

[Jhn 14:12 KJV] Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
You conflate the Lost with the saved, just like the preacher's in your video. One work is leading those trusting in works, like the video preachers, to Christ.

This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.

James 2
23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God."

Abraham was saved decades before he offered Isaac. He demonstrated that faith and friendship by that example. He was not required to sacrifice his son in order to be saved as you teach.
 
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Christians are supposed to make every effort to resist sin. This is one of the major themes of the entire Bible.

In walking the path Christ assigned to us, he gave us rules to follow. In walking that path, we have faith that the instructions he gave us are accurate. One of those broad instructions is don’t sin.

If you sin then you’re not following Christ, at least temporarily. Therefore, sin is apostasy from the faith as 2 Peter 2:20-22 shows.

The author of Hebrews said in 12:4, "In your struggle against sin, you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood." So sin is something to be struggled against and, if necessary, resisted to the point of shedding your own blood. Resistance to sin is more important than your own blood, then, because obeying God is more important than not obeying God, which is what sin is... willful or unwilful disobedience.

I don't believe we are ever going to attain sinless perfection on Earth, but what we can attain is a lifelong struggle and resistance to sin. There will be victories and defeats. As evidenced by those babes in Christ who were still worldly, jealous, and quarreling spiritual maturity is not instantaneous per 1 Corinthians 3:1-3.

1. We access God's grace through faith per Romans 5:1,2

2. Sinning is apostasy which is a departure from the faith per 2 Peter 2:20-22

3. We should struggle to resist sin per Hebrews 12:4

4. To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. Per Romans 2:7

5. If you sin knowingly or unknowingly, you can confess your sin to God in Jesus name, receive forgiveness, then continue your walk in the light (struggling against and resisting sin) per 1 John 1:5-10

6. For those who continue is unrepentant sin, a walk in darkness, nothing remains for that person but a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God per Hebrews 10:26,27
 
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You conflate the Lost with the saved, just like the preacher's in your video. One work is leading those trusting in works, like the video preachers, to Christ.

This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.

James 2
23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God."

Abraham was saved decades before he offered Isaac. He demonstrated that faith and friendship by that example. He was not required to sacrifice his son in order to be saved as you teach.
i can't think of anything more ridiculous than what you just said about Abraham.

so you bought the lie that we shouldn't do works ...you are confusing the works Jews did thinking they were gaming the system by doing rituals to excuse their sin. You are gaming the system by thinking your sins are not sin anymore. You know half The Bible Tells you to stop sinning ...but you bought lies to say that Scripture doesn't apply to you.

[1Pe 1:16-17 KJV] 16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy. 17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons 𝙟𝙪𝙙𝙜𝙚𝙩𝙝 𝙖𝙘𝙘𝙤𝙧𝙙𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙩𝙤 𝙚𝙫𝙚𝙧𝙮 𝙢𝙖𝙣'𝙨 𝙬𝙤𝙧𝙠, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:

Romans 2:6 ESV — He will render to each one 𝙖𝙘𝙘𝙤𝙧𝙙𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙩𝙤 𝙝𝙞𝙨 𝙬𝙤𝙧𝙠𝙨:

Psalm 62:12 ESV — and that to you, O Lord, belongs steadfast love.
For you will render to a man
𝙖𝙘𝙘𝙤𝙧𝙙𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙩𝙤 𝙝𝙞𝙨 𝙬𝙤𝙧𝙠.

Proverbs 24:12 KJV — If thou sayest, Behold, we knew it not; doth not he that pondereth the heart consider it? and he that keepeth thy soul, doth not he know it? and shall not he render to every man 𝙖𝙘𝙘𝙤𝙧𝙙𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙩𝙤 𝙝𝙞𝙨 𝙬𝙤𝙧𝙠𝙨?

[Rev 20:12-13 KJV] 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, 𝙖𝙘𝙘𝙤𝙧𝙙𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙩𝙤 𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙞𝙧 𝙬𝙤𝙧𝙠𝙨. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man 𝙖𝙘𝙘𝙤𝙧𝙙𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙩𝙤 𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙞𝙧 𝙬𝙤𝙧𝙠𝙨.

[Gal 6:7 KJV] 7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

Acts 5:32 NKJV — “And we are His witnesses to these things, and so also is the Holy Spirit whom God has given to those who obey Him.
 

HealthAndHappiness

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i can't think of anything more ridiculous than what you just said about Abraham.

so you bought the lie that we shouldn't do works ...you are confusing the works Jews did thinking they were gaming the system by doing rituals to excuse their sin. You are gaming the system by thinking your sins are not sin anymore. You know half The Bible Tells you to stop sinning ...but you bought lies to say that Scripture doesn't apply to you.

[1Pe 1:16-17 KJV] 16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy. 17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons 𝙟𝙪𝙙𝙜𝙚𝙩𝙝 𝙖𝙘𝙘𝙤𝙧𝙙𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙩𝙤 𝙚𝙫𝙚𝙧𝙮 𝙢𝙖𝙣'𝙨 𝙬𝙤𝙧𝙠, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:

Romans 2:6 ESV — He will render to each one 𝙖𝙘𝙘𝙤𝙧𝙙𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙩𝙤 𝙝𝙞𝙨 𝙬𝙤𝙧𝙠𝙨:

Psalm 62:12 ESV — and that to you, O Lord, belongs steadfast love.
For you will render to a man
𝙖𝙘𝙘𝙤𝙧𝙙𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙩𝙤 𝙝𝙞𝙨 𝙬𝙤𝙧𝙠.

Proverbs 24:12 KJV — If thou sayest, Behold, we knew it not; doth not he that pondereth the heart consider it? and he that keepeth thy soul, doth not he know it? and shall not he render to every man 𝙖𝙘𝙘𝙤𝙧𝙙𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙩𝙤 𝙝𝙞𝙨 𝙬𝙤𝙧𝙠𝙨?

[Rev 20:12-13 KJV] 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, 𝙖𝙘𝙘𝙤𝙧𝙙𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙩𝙤 𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙞𝙧 𝙬𝙤𝙧𝙠𝙨. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man 𝙖𝙘𝙘𝙤𝙧𝙙𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙩𝙤 𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙞𝙧 𝙬𝙤𝙧𝙠𝙨.

[Gal 6:7 KJV] 7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

Acts 5:32 NKJV — “And we are His witnesses to these things, and so also is the Holy Spirit whom God has given to those who obey Him.


Paul said it best. You might consider him even MORE ridiculous considering your hard works based gospel.
Romans 4:2-8

"For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin."
 
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Christians are supposed to make every effort to resist sin. This is one of the major themes of the entire Bible.

In walking the path Christ assigned to us, he gave us rules to follow. In walking that path, we have faith that the instructions he gave us are accurate. One of those broad instructions is don’t sin.

If you sin then you’re not following Christ, at least temporarily. Therefore, sin is apostasy from the faith as 2 Peter 2:20-22 shows.

The author of Hebrews said in 12:4, "In your struggle against sin, you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood." So sin is something to be struggled against and, if necessary, resisted to the point of shedding your own blood. Resistance to sin is more important than your own blood, then, because obeying God is more important than not obeying God, which is what sin is... willful or unwilful disobedience.

I don't believe we are ever going to attain sinless perfection on Earth, but what we can attain is a lifelong struggle and resistance to sin. There will be victories and defeats. As evidenced by those babes in Christ who were still worldly, jealous, and quarreling spiritual maturity is not instantaneous per 1 Corinthians 3:1-3.

1. We access God's grace through faith per Romans 5:1,2

2. Sinning is apostasy which is a departure from the faith per 2 Peter 2:20-22

3. We should struggle to resist sin per Hebrews 12:4

4. To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. Per Romans 2:7

5. If you sin knowingly or unknowingly, you can confess your sin to God in Jesus name, receive forgiveness, then continue your walk in the light (struggling against and resisting sin) per 1 John 1:5-10

6. For those who continue is unrepentant sin, a walk in darkness, nothing remains for that person but a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God per Hebrews 10:26,27
a nephilim/worldly spirit thinks they are doing the right thing ...but it isn't. The core of being Saved is Denying yourself future sins and they excuse it away because they are still behind a veil of death. You understand Hebrews 12:4 ...but excuse it anyways by saying there is unlimited forgiveness ...there isn't after you go through The Door.
 
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You understand Hebrews 12:4 ...but excuse it anyways by saying there is unlimited forgiveness ...there isn't after you go through The Door.
There is unlimited forgiveness, but it’s conditional. Take note: Jesus follows his own commandments.

Matthew 18
21Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, “Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother who sins against me? Up to seven times?”
22Jesus answered, “I tell you, not just seven times, but seventy-seven times!

Luke 17
3So watch yourselves.
“If your brother or sister sins against you, rebuke them; and if they repent, forgive them. 4Even if they sin against you seven times in a day and seven times come back to you saying ‘I repent,’ you must forgive them.”
 
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There is unlimited forgiveness, but it’s conditional. Take note: Jesus follows his own commandments.

Matthew 18
21Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, “Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother who sins against me? Up to seven times?”
22Jesus answered, “I tell you, not just seven times, but seventy-seven times!

Luke 17
3So watch yourselves.
“If your brother or sister sins against you, rebuke them; and if they repent, forgive them. 4Even if they sin against you seven times in a day and seven times come back to you saying ‘I repent,’ you must forgive them.”
try sinning against GOD that many times ...see what happens. That was about your Brother ...not GOD.
 
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try sinning against GOD that many times ...see what happens. That was about your Brother ...not GOD.
It’s true. Hence why Jesus said so. He follows his own commandments. This includes every kind of sin past, present, future, aside from one of course.

Matthew 12
31And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.
 
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It’s true. Hence why Jesus said so. He follows his own commandments. This includes every kind of sin past, present, future, aside from one of course.

Matthew 12
31And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.
Every kind of sin can be Forgiven until you start rejecting The HOLY SPIRIT Grieving you. When are you going to get that things change when you get on The Cross?
 

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Nothing wrong with calling sinners to repentance. But I think you might want to stop at that point.
accusing people we have never met and never discussed any issues that might have of all sorts of strange things isnt how people are called to repentance
 
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Every kind of sin can be Forgiven until you start rejecting The HOLY SPIRIT Grieving you. When are you going to get that things change when you get on The Cross?
Blaspheming the Holy Spirit is accusing Jesus of being demon possessed/utilizing demonic power. The Holy Spirit doesn’t grieve us, but we can grieve God’s Spirit who we are already sealed with.

Ephesians 4
30And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. 31Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice. 32Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you.
 
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Blaspheming the Holy Spirit is accusing Jesus of being demon possessed/utilizing demonic power. The Holy Spirit doesn’t grieve us, but we can grieve God’s Spirit who we are already sealed with.
Right, like that makes any sense. it's you having a corrupted Temple not Fully Repenting.
 

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accusing people we have never met and never discussed any issues that might have of all sorts of strange things isnt how people are called to repentance
I agree. I'm speaking in general. John the Baptist called people to repent. In this vein we are called to call sinners to repentance.
Judging the sinfulness of individuals specifically requires much more intimate knowledge of a person than the internet affords. I'm not condoning that anyone level specific charges against another unless it is done with a much higher degree of knowledge as well as a God given authority and in humility seeking the restoration of the individual.
Hence, my caution to stop at a call to repentance.
 
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I agree. I'm speaking in general. John the Baptist called people to repent. In this vein we are called to call sinners to repentance.
Judging the sinfulness of individuals specifically requires much more intimate knowledge of a person than the internet affords. I'm not condoning that anyone level specific charges against another unless it is done with a much higher degree of knowledge as well as a God given authority and in humility seeking the restoration of the individual.
Hence, my caution to stop at a call to repentance.
weird how the serpent church of death has your same view.