Are We Approaching "that day", "the last day"?

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Ethan1942

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After Jesus prophesies the destruction of the temple in 70 AD in Matt. 24:1-35, Mark 13:1-31 & Luke 21:5-33; all 3 gospels record Jesus then turning his attention to "that day". In context it surely is referring to "the last day" of the resurrection in John 6:39, 40, 44, 54 which is also that day of judgment in John 12:48. In the word for word translations, the words or phrases are identical.

Jesus made clear that the day of the second coming was unknown to any but God the Father so no clear signs are given for this day, as were given for 70 A. It will come suddenly as a snare: Matt. 24:36, 39; Mark 13:32, 36 & Luke 21:34.

Jesus said that day will be as the days of Noah: "For as in those days which were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and they knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall be the coming of the Son of man." (Matt 24:38-39, ASV)

Did the phrase "they knew not until the flood came" include Noah himself? In Gen. 6:14-16, Noah was told to build the ark, a floating box(L450'XW75'XH45', GNT), because a great flood was coming (there was NO pointed bow on the ark because it was not propelled!). So, this man of God knew it was coming. It was those corrupt people who did not know and went on with life as ususal. While it is clear we believers cannot be date setters or be dogmatic on when "the last day" is to happen; doesn't Luke 21:34-36 indicate we should have a sense of our situation? For the saints to risk being " overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life", does that not indicate it would be the spirit of the time which even puts the believers at risk?

While many, if not most of the prophecies found in the NT epistles; refer to 70 AD, yet history does repeat itself; there is another perspective. For those of us who understand the 1000 years of Revelation 20 to be a period prior to "the last day", the second coming; can we not think about that period just prior to "the last day", where we have the statement: "And when the thousand years are finished, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, and shall come forth to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to the war: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea." (Rev 20:7-8, ASV)

Watching the insanity consuming the nations of the world in this day, has Satan been loosed? Not only has Christianity lost its place as the majority faith in England, it is about to be so here in the USA. I offer two news links on these two statements of Christianity becoming the minority.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...ty-now-minority-religion-in-england-and-wales

A headline reads: "A mass exodus from Christianity is underway in America" -
https://www.grid.news/story/politic...hristianity-is-underway-in-america-heres-why/

Speaking of "that day", Jesus instructs us: "for so shall it come upon all them that dwell on the face of all the earth. But watch ye at every season, making supplication, that ye may prevail to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man." (Luke 21:35-36, ASV)

Certainly this is a time to hear the words of Peter "Wherefore, brethren, give the more diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never stumble:" (2Pet 1:10, ASV)

I placed this in Bible Discussion rather than the prophecy forum because that forum seems to be mainly the modernist dispensationalists, which are different from historic premillenialists.
 

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op: approaching "that day" "the LAST day"?
Depends...
...Certainly this is a time to hear the words of Peter...
Actually, this (Dispensation of Grace) is a time to prayerfully/Carefully hear and
heed the Words Of Christ, from Heaven, to our Gentile apostle, Paul, to whom
He Gave "The Revelation Of The Mystery," for us (although we can Certainly
learn from Peter's prophetic words to the "scattered Jewish strangers") - ie:

earthly prophecy/covenants with "that day" of Daniel, Matthew, and
Revelation (NO comfort, but 'Great Tribulation'), or:

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ” (online)

Heavenly Mystery/Grace (Romans - Philemon) with "that day of Departure,
(The LAST Day Of Grace)" with Comforting Words?:

1Co 15:51-52 "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep,​
but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye,​
at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be​
raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."​
1Th 4:16-17 "For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a​
shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God:​
and the dead in Christ shall rise first:​
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with​
them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever​
be with the Lord.​
Wherefore comfort one another with These Words."​
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Precious friend(s):

Grace, Peace, And JOY In Christ, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided
(+ I and II)!
 

BillG

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Yes we are, every day we wake up.
If we don't wake up then we are with Jesus.
 

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After Jesus prophesies the destruction of the temple in 70 AD in Matt. 24:1-35, Mark 13:1-31 & Luke 21:5-33; all 3 gospels record Jesus then turning his attention to "that day". In context it surely is referring to "the last day" of the resurrection in John 6:39, 40, 44, 54 which is also that day of judgment in John 12:48. In the word for word translations, the words or phrases are identical.

Jesus made clear that the day of the second coming was unknown to any but God the Father so no clear signs are given for this day, as were given for 70 A. It will come suddenly as a snare: Matt. 24:36, 39; Mark 13:32, 36 & Luke 21:34.

Jesus said that day will be as the days of Noah: "For as in those days which were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and they knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall be the coming of the Son of man." (Matt 24:38-39, ASV)

Did the phrase "they knew not until the flood came" include Noah himself? In Gen. 6:14-16, Noah was told to build the ark, a floating box(L450'XW75'XH45', GNT), because a great flood was coming (there was NO pointed bow on the ark because it was not propelled!). So, this man of God knew it was coming. It was those corrupt people who did not know and went on with life as ususal. While it is clear we believers cannot be date setters or be dogmatic on when "the last day" is to happen; doesn't Luke 21:34-36 indicate we should have a sense of our situation? For the saints to risk being " overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life", does that not indicate it would be the spirit of the time which even puts the believers at risk?

While many, if not most of the prophecies found in the NT epistles; refer to 70 AD, yet history does repeat itself; there is another perspective. For those of us who understand the 1000 years of Revelation 20 to be a period prior to "the last day", the second coming; can we not think about that period just prior to "the last day", where we have the statement: "And when the thousand years are finished, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, and shall come forth to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to the war: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea." (Rev 20:7-8, ASV)

Watching the insanity consuming the nations of the world in this day, has Satan been loosed? Not only has Christianity lost its place as the majority faith in England, it is about to be so here in the USA. I offer two news links on these two statements of Christianity becoming the minority.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...ty-now-minority-religion-in-england-and-wales

A headline reads: "A mass exodus from Christianity is underway in America" -
https://www.grid.news/story/politic...hristianity-is-underway-in-america-heres-why/

Speaking of "that day", Jesus instructs us: "for so shall it come upon all them that dwell on the face of all the earth. But watch ye at every season, making supplication, that ye may prevail to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man." (Luke 21:35-36, ASV)

Certainly this is a time to hear the words of Peter "Wherefore, brethren, give the more diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never stumble:" (2Pet 1:10, ASV)

I placed this in Bible Discussion rather than the prophecy forum because that forum seems to be mainly the modernist dispensationalists, which are different from historic premillenialists.
The great falling away is definitely underway.

Not only is Christianity failing in Britain and the USA but also in Europe and South America.

This decline has been underway for over fifty years but is gaining pace now.

How long do we have left?

No one really knows.

The end is getting very close.
 

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Knowing almost if not ever (oh HI ALL! pray your blessed and you joy is over flowing HELLO!) generation before us believed they were the last would make one really wonder if not for the fact we are the only one that has see Israel become a nation in a day. So is Israel blooming? Yes. I know about the "falling away". But we forget that word was once written in the bible as "departure". If we read before that verse we could say we depart here. But it can also mean fallen away.

I can go back to 2015 and up tell you just in 2015 over a million were saved in one day. Millions after that in another year. Where sin is there is much grace. Yes I see some falling down but I see more reaching down helping them get backup. Just ask the Father to open your eyes to see what He sees. Its shocking what Hes' doing that we are not reading about. Great wonders all over the world. Yet oddly not anywhere on any forum I am on. We are like our Father that calls things that be not as though they were.

Would make one ask.. ok what are we doing then
 

Ethan1942

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op: approaching "that day" "the LAST day"?
Depends...

Actually, this (Dispensation of Grace) is a time to prayerfully/Carefully hear and
heed the Words Of Christ, from Heaven, to our Gentile apostle, Paul, to whom
He Gave "The Revelation Of The Mystery," for us (although we can Certainly
learn from Peter's prophetic words to the "scattered Jewish strangers") - ie:

earthly prophecy/covenants with "that day" of Daniel, Matthew, and
Revelation (NO comfort, but 'Great Tribulation'), or:

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ” (online)

Heavenly Mystery/Grace (Romans - Philemon) with "that day of Departure,
(The LAST Day Of Grace)" with Comforting Words?:

1Co 15:51-52 "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep,​
but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye,​
at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be​
raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."​
1Th 4:16-17 "For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a​
shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God:​
and the dead in Christ shall rise first:​
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with​
them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever​
be with the Lord.​
Wherefore comfort one another with These Words."​
----------------------------
Precious friend(s):

Grace, Peace, And JOY In Christ, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided
(+ I and II)!
You have written "to our Gentile apostle", so can you give the verse you are basing that upon? I see where Paul in Rom. 11:13 writes that he is "an apostle" of Gentiles, but I am not sure there is anywhere that Paul is termed the apostle to the Gentiles as if Peter cannot equally give truth to the Gentiles as well as Jews.

I quoted from 2 Peter which is clearly addressed to Gentiles, though applicable to all the saints:

"Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained a like precious faith with us in the righteousness of our God and the Saviour Jesus Christ:" (2Pet 1:1, ASV)

Adam Clarke on this verse: "With us] God having given to you-believing Gentiles, the same faith and salvation which he had given to us-believing Jews."

In v3 Peter brings the Gentiles in among the "us" which is in agreement with Paul on the faith:

"There can be neither Jew nor Greek, there can be neither bond nor free, there can be no male and female; for ye all are one man in Christ Jesus." (Gal 3:28, ASV)

The "rightly dividing" in the KJV of 2 Tim 2:15 does not mean cutting up Bible doctrine into an unrecognizable maze or riddle. The meaning is as in the ASV and others:

"Give diligence to present thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, handling aright the word of truth." (2Tim 2:15, ASV)

Paul uses "dispensation" as distinguishing the New Covenant from the Old Covenant. There are NOT 7, 9 or 99 dispensations stated in the Scripture.

Dispensationalism has invented a convoluted mess of doctrine!
 
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I believe there will be One Last Great Harvest before Anti-Christ comes, like the Billion Soul Harvest aims for. Please see in Matthew 24:14 where it says the Gospel will be preached in the whole world before the end can come. It is estimated some 2 BN still have not heard the Gospel. Hence, it's reasonable to believe the end won't come for another 10-15 years at least.

Quote this post back to me if it comes before that! If not, I'll remember to quote it post-2033 A.D. Here is the passage:

Mat 24:14: "And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come."
 

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Of course. That’s a rhetorical question. 😊❤️
 

Ethan1942

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I believe there will be One Last Great Harvest before Anti-Christ comes, like the Billion Soul Harvest aims for. Please see in Matthew 24:14 where it says the Gospel will be preached in the whole world before the end can come. It is estimated some 2 BN still have not heard the Gospel. Hence, it's reasonable to believe the end won't come for another 10-15 years at least.

Quote this post back to me if it comes before that! If not, I'll remember to quote it post-2033 A.D. Here is the passage:

Mat 24:14: "And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come."
I believe there will be One Last Great Harvest before Anti-Christ comes, like the Billion Soul Harvest aims for. Please see in Matthew 24:14 where it says the Gospel will be preached in the whole world before the end can come. It is estimated some 2 BN still have not heard the Gospel. Hence, it's reasonable to believe the end won't come for another 10-15 years at least.

Quote this post back to me if it comes before that! If not, I'll remember to quote it post-2033 A.D. Here is the passage:

Mat 24:14: "And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come."
Xavier, consider other scriptures. Jesus is recorded as saying all the signs he mentioned, including Matt. 24:14, were to be accomplished during that generation to which he spoke -

"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all these things be accomplished." (Matt 24:34, ASV)
or as in the REB
"Truly I tell you: the present generation will live to see it all." (Matt 24:34, REB)

The disciples asked about the destruction of the temple they admired then, and the end of the Jewish age, so of course that happened in the days of Paul, before the temple was indeed destroyed in 70 AD, which was within that generation to whom He spoke.

"...because of the hope which is laid up for you in the heavens, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel, which is come unto you; even as it is also in all the world bearing fruit and increasing, as it doth in you also, since the day ye heard and knew the grace of God in truth;" (Col 1:5-6, ASV)

"...if so be that ye continue in the faith, grounded and stedfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel which ye heard, which was preached in all creation under heaven; whereof I Paul was made a minister." (Col 1:23, ASV)

"First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is proclaimed throughout the whole world." (Rom 1:8, ASV)
 

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Let me answer the OP question in the title with a question (or two) of my own....

Does it matter to you? Will it make a difference in the way you live today? How about tomorrow?
 

Cameron143

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Let me answer the OP question in the title with a question (or two) of my own....

Does it matter to you? Will it make a difference in the way you live today? How about tomorrow?
Tomorrow is bad for me and it would be ashamed not to open presents this close to Christmas. But I haven't made any New Year's plans so next week should be okay.
 

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After Jesus prophesies the destruction of the temple in 70 AD in Matt. 24:1-35, Mark 13:1-31 & Luke 21:5-33; all 3 gospels record Jesus then turning his attention to "that day". In context it surely is referring to "the last day" of the resurrection in John 6:39, 40, 44, 54 which is also that day of judgment in John 12:48. In the word for word translations, the words or phrases are identical.

Jesus made clear that the day of the second coming was unknown to any but God the Father so no clear signs are given for this day, as were given for 70 A. It will come suddenly as a snare: Matt. 24:36, 39; Mark 13:32, 36 & Luke 21:34.

Jesus said that day will be as the days of Noah: "For as in those days which were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and they knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall be the coming of the Son of man." (Matt 24:38-39, ASV)

Did the phrase "they knew not until the flood came" include Noah himself? In Gen. 6:14-16, Noah was told to build the ark, a floating box(L450'XW75'XH45', GNT), because a great flood was coming (there was NO pointed bow on the ark because it was not propelled!). So, this man of God knew it was coming. It was those corrupt people who did not know and went on with life as ususal. While it is clear we believers cannot be date setters or be dogmatic on when "the last day" is to happen; doesn't Luke 21:34-36 indicate we should have a sense of our situation? For the saints to risk being " overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life", does that not indicate it would be the spirit of the time which even puts the believers at risk?

While many, if not most of the prophecies found in the NT epistles; refer to 70 AD, yet history does repeat itself; there is another perspective. For those of us who understand the 1000 years of Revelation 20 to be a period prior to "the last day", the second coming; can we not think about that period just prior to "the last day", where we have the statement: "And when the thousand years are finished, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, and shall come forth to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to the war: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea." (Rev 20:7-8, ASV)

Watching the insanity consuming the nations of the world in this day, has Satan been loosed? Not only has Christianity lost its place as the majority faith in England, it is about to be so here in the USA. I offer two news links on these two statements of Christianity becoming the minority.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...ty-now-minority-religion-in-england-and-wales

A headline reads: "A mass exodus from Christianity is underway in America" -
https://www.grid.news/story/politic...hristianity-is-underway-in-america-heres-why/

Speaking of "that day", Jesus instructs us: "for so shall it come upon all them that dwell on the face of all the earth. But watch ye at every season, making supplication, that ye may prevail to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man." (Luke 21:35-36, ASV)

Certainly this is a time to hear the words of Peter "Wherefore, brethren, give the more diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never stumble:" (2Pet 1:10, ASV)

I placed this in Bible Discussion rather than the prophecy forum because that forum seems to be mainly the modernist dispensationalists, which are different from historic premillenialists.
Yup. closer now than ever before.
 
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historic premillenialists.
i didn't realize that was a thing ...i might be something close to that. i think we are in Chapter 19 of Rev and the false church is about to end for a thousand years.

the first horse of the four horseman is white ...for peace ...and he had a bow ...a rainbow ...and he conquered ...so who had peace and conquered at the same time?
constantine gave Roman peace to Christians ...and he started the byzantine empire. that means Rev didn't end in 70 A.D.

The entire Book of Rev is about The Churches. The Seven Churches of Rev are right by where the byzantine empire started ...Constantinople ...constantine's city named after him ...current day Istanbul, Turkey

i want your opinion on the first six posts of this ...i think you are one of the rare that might be able to handle it. if you don't like the first post, then just comment on that one? please

https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...eans-his-coming-was-a-different-event.208881/
 
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We are certainly head toward the return of Christ. As for a time line? I cant give one.
I have often thought about a few odd things though, and i am not trying to establish any kind of doctrine or any thing like that. Its just a thought excercise if ya will.
Prior to 1900 all the world was touched by Christianity. No place was untouched. Then the Russian revolution set off a series wars that have not yet ended. After WW1 churches amd christianity declined sharply in eastern europe and then after ww2 christianity declined sharply through out Europe and the rest of the world. Also 1900 saw the rise of several prolific psuedo christian cults. Its been a serious down hill slide since.
 
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After Jesus prophesies the destruction of the temple in 70 AD in Matt. 24:1-35, Mark 13:1-31 & Luke 21:5-33; all 3 gospels record Jesus then turning his attention to "that day". In context it surely is referring to "the last day" of the resurrection in John 6:39, 40, 44, 54 which is also that day of judgment in John 12:48. In the word for word translations, the words or phrases are identical.

Jesus made clear that the day of the second coming was unknown to any but God the Father so no clear signs are given for this day, as were given for 70 A. It will come suddenly as a snare: Matt. 24:36, 39; Mark 13:32, 36 & Luke 21:34.

Jesus said that day will be as the days of Noah: "For as in those days which were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and they knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall be the coming of the Son of man." (Matt 24:38-39, ASV)

Did the phrase "they knew not until the flood came" include Noah himself? In Gen. 6:14-16, Noah was told to build the ark, a floating box(L450'XW75'XH45', GNT), because a great flood was coming (there was NO pointed bow on the ark because it was not propelled!). So, this man of God knew it was coming. It was those corrupt people who did not know and went on with life as ususal. While it is clear we believers cannot be date setters or be dogmatic on when "the last day" is to happen; doesn't Luke 21:34-36 indicate we should have a sense of our situation? For the saints to risk being " overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life", does that not indicate it would be the spirit of the time which even puts the believers at risk?

While many, if not most of the prophecies found in the NT epistles; refer to 70 AD, yet history does repeat itself; there is another perspective. For those of us who understand the 1000 years of Revelation 20 to be a period prior to "the last day", the second coming; can we not think about that period just prior to "the last day", where we have the statement: "And when the thousand years are finished, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, and shall come forth to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to the war: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea." (Rev 20:7-8, ASV)

Watching the insanity consuming the nations of the world in this day, has Satan been loosed? Not only has Christianity lost its place as the majority faith in England, it is about to be so here in the USA. I offer two news links on these two statements of Christianity becoming the minority.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...ty-now-minority-religion-in-england-and-wales

A headline reads: "A mass exodus from Christianity is underway in America" -
https://www.grid.news/story/politic...hristianity-is-underway-in-america-heres-why/

Speaking of "that day", Jesus instructs us: "for so shall it come upon all them that dwell on the face of all the earth. But watch ye at every season, making supplication, that ye may prevail to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man." (Luke 21:35-36, ASV)

Certainly this is a time to hear the words of Peter "Wherefore, brethren, give the more diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never stumble:" (2Pet 1:10, ASV)

I placed this in Bible Discussion rather than the prophecy forum because that forum seems to be mainly the modernist dispensationalists, which are different from historic premillenialists.
what do you think they’ll do to the rest of us Christians when they aren’t a minority anymore and are a general nuisance to them?
 

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We are certainly head toward the return of Christ. As for a time line? I cant give one.
I have often thought about a few odd things though, and i am not trying to establish any kind of doctrine or any thing like that. Its just a thought excercise if ya will.
Prior to 1900 all the world was touched by Christianity. No place was untouched. Then the Russian revolution set off a series wars that have not yet ended. After WW1 churches amd christianity declined sharply in eastern europe and then after ww2 christianity declined sharply through out Europe and the rest of the world. Also 1900 saw the rise of several prolific psuedo christian cults. Its been a serious down hill slide since.
Those are great observations. I see it more as a cycle that has occurred throughout history, much as we see exemplified in the book of Judges.
I also believe you can see the falling away from God, the subsequent chastisement and judgment, the repentance of God's people, and their eventual deliverance in varying ways throughout history.
I also found it interesting how predictable this is as is the nature and depth of sin as the falling away occurs.
 

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what do you think they’ll do to the rest of us Christians when they aren’t a minority anymore and are a general nuisance to them?
They have never been a minority. Their influence can always be mitigated as the people of God exercise Christian principles rather than accept the morality of the culture.
Our deliverance depends on us, not them.
 

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Jesus made clear that the day of the second coming was unknown to any but God the Father so no clear signs are given for this day...
This is incorrect. Jesus Himself told us what would precede His Second Coming (with His saints and angels) and there would be no mistaking this: Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall [1] the sun be darkened, and [2] the moon shall not give her light, and [3] the stars shall fall from heaven, and [4] the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of Man coming in the clouds of Heaven with power and great glory. (Mt 24:29,30)

So as a matter of fact all the inhabitants of the earth will have ample notice that the Second Coming of Christ is at hand. However, when Christ spoke of the Rapture, He made it clear that that event would be unannounced, unexpected, and imminent.
 
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Sorry, there are vast regions of the world without or with hardly any pastors, priests and churches. China and India alone account for over 2.5 BN people, of whom less than 10% are Christians. I did my Finance MBA in IIM Lucknow, Uttar Pradesh, a State of 200 MN people. You can travel for miles on miles in these places hardly finding any churches or Christians, and many have never heard of Christ or even interact with Christians. I Evangelized while I was there, but still many are unreached.

"Uttar Pradesh is a state in northern India. With over 200 million inhabitants, it is the most populated state in India as well as the most populous country subdivision in the world." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uttar_Pradesh

"Christian Population in Uttar Pradesh is 3.56 Lakhs (0.18 percent) [356,000] of total 19.98 Crore [200 MN]" https://www.census2011.co.in/data/religion/state/9-uttar-pradesh.html

The Gospel has to be preached in all these places, with pastors, priests and churches on the ground before the end will come. Paul means the Gospel was preached in the Roman Empire, and from there would spread to the rest of the world.
 
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They have never been a minority. Their influence can always be mitigated as the people of God exercise Christian principles rather than accept the morality of the culture.
Our deliverance depends on us, not them.
Probably isn't so simple. Nowadays, simply having a different perspective and opinion (i.e., Christian) may be viewed as a form of violence, intolerance, or a hate crime. People get ostracized from every sector of society for being labeled de facto "domestic terrorists", in the kangaroo court of public opinion, due to simply existing. Many examples of this. Christians are generally tolerated, for now, as long as they keep quiet and stay out of the way. When, yes when, us Christians are a sufficient minority, I have no doubt they'll swoop in to stamp out those who won't renounce their faith.