Is God asking you to give away everything?

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It's Rowan Williams... I think he's a former archbishop of Canterbury in the Anglican church
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Yes, that is the name and title sounds right too. Anglicans and RC's trying to meld for over 150 tears now. I was reading a wiki article on the Oxford movement of the 19th century and it also refers to Tractarians as another named group but all the details are not clear to me. I was in contact with a Mennonite preacher in Lombard, Illinois and he claims the Mennonites are also involved in this ecumenical work.
 
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"Stalin famously said of the Church, “The Pope! How many divisions has he?” Less well known is Churchill’s response that Stalin “might have mentioned a number of legions not always visible on parade”. Indeed, the reach and influence of the Church are not easily described by statistics alone, yet the raw statistics are staggering enough.
The Church operates more than 140,000 schools, 10,000 orphanages, 5,000 hospitals and some 16,000 other health clinics. Caritas, the umbrella organisation for Catholic aid agencies, estimates that spending by its affiliates totals between £2 billion and £4 billion, making it one of the biggest aid agencies in the world."

https://catholicherald.co.uk/a-worldwide-force-for-good/
 
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I was so looking forward to the discussion this thread would have. The title indicated it would be an interesting conversation about a topic we need to discuss occasionally as christians.

Then it turns into a Catholic versus Protestant versus those who believe all organized religion is evil debate. What a pity. No wonder there are Catholic and Protestant gangs in Ireland who hate and even kill each other.

Oh well. Maybe next time.
 
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How patient He is with me!

How He puts up with me and still is kind and merciful just cant be understood.
 
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One thing is to disagree with other Christians. Another is to say they aren't Christians. That isn't Biblical either. Bible says no one can confess Jesus is Lord without the Holy Spirit, hence all who confess Jesus as Lord are Christians. Elsewhere, it says all who confess Jesus Christ is the Son of God live in God, and God in them. So I disagree with what Resident Alien said.

Anyway, back to the op video. "How do we give God everything? It's obvious from the stories throughout the Scriptures that God is asking us to give him everything but is He also calling us to "sell everything and give alms to the poor" as he asks of the rich young man? Today, Fr. Mike helps us make the distinction between the sometimes particular call to "give everything away" and the universal call to give God everything. It is certainly the case that each and every one of us is called to relinquish all that we have and all that we are to God's service and to trust Him with everything. "
 
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Lynx said:
I was so looking forward to the discussion this thread would have. The title indicated it would be an interesting conversation about a topic we need to discuss occasionally as christians.

Then it turns into a Catholic versus Protestant versus those who believe all organized religion is evil debate. What a pity. No wonder there are Catholic and Protestant gangs in Ireland who hate and even kill each other.

Oh well. Maybe next time.
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Patience! I changed over time. They will too.
 
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One thing is to disagree with other Christians. Another is to say they aren't Christians. That isn't Biblical either. Bible says no one can confess Jesus is Lord without the Holy Spirit, hence all who confess Jesus as Lord are Christians. Elsewhere, it says all who confess Jesus Christ is the Son of God live in God, and God in them. So I disagree with what Resident Alien said.

Anyway, back to the op video. "How do we give God everything? It's obvious from the stories throughout the Scriptures that God is asking us to give him everything but is He also calling us to "sell everything and give alms to the poor" as he asks of the rich young man? Today, Fr. Mike helps us make the distinction between the sometimes particular call to "give everything away" and the universal call to give God everything. It is certainly the case that each and every one of us is called to relinquish all that we have and all that we are to God's service and to trust Him with everything. "
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you got what i got out of it.

Didn't hear him say anything heretical.
 
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The guy in that video is confused, as are so many others. We're not called to give anything to Christ except our faith and trust. God wants us to trust in Him and obey His word. On the mount of transfiguration, when Moses and Elijah appeared and talked with Jesus, the first thing out of Peter's mouth was: "Lord, it is good for us to be here; if You wish, let us make here three tabernacles: one for You, one for Moses, and one for Elijah." And what was Gods answer? He interrupted Peter and said: "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Hear Him!" (Matthew 17)

A whole lot of people are running around trying to figure out their "assignment," and what they can do for the Lord, when all they really need to do is sit at Jesus' feet like Mary (Martha's sister, not the mother of Jesus) and listen to Him. (Luke 10) Like Martha, people are so worried about what they can do for the Lord when it's so simple. All they have to do is listen to Him and believe Him. It's not complicated but a lot of people make it complicated.
 
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The guy in that video is confused, as are so many others. We're not called to give anything to Christ except our faith and trust. God wants us to trust in Him and obey His word. On the mount of transfiguration, when Moses and Elijah appeared and talked with Jesus, the first thing out of Peter's mouth was: "Lord, it is good for us to be here; if You wish, let us make here three tabernacles: one for You, one for Moses, and one for Elijah." And what was Gods answer? He interrupted Peter and said: "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Hear Him!" (Matthew 17)

A whole lot of people are running around trying to figure out their "assignment," and what they can do for the Lord, when all they really need to do is sit at Jesus' feet like Mary (Martha's sister, not the mother of Jesus) and listen to Him. (Luke 10) Like Martha, people are so worried about what they can do for the Lord when it's so simple. All they have to do is listen to Him and believe Him. It's not complicated but a lot of people make it complicated.
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Its not so simple as picking out a verse here you like and there voila! A comprehensive. knowledge of the whole of scriptures is required of us.
 
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Its not so simple as picking out a verse here you like and there voila! A comprehensive. knowledge of the whole of scriptures is required of us.
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It is quite simple; a comprehensive knowledge of the scriptures is not required. If that was the case how did the 1st century church continue to grow and spread? They didn't have the scriptures we have. They had faith in the risen Lord and belief in salvation in His name. You are very wrong when you say knowledge of the whole of scriptures is required. Knowledge tends to get in the way.
 
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It is quite simple; a comprehensive knowledge of the scriptures is not required. If that was the case how did the 1st century church continue to grow and spread? They didn't have the scriptures we have. They had faith in the risen Lord and belief in salvation in His name. You are very wrong when you say knowledge of the whole of scriptures is required. Knowledge tends to get in the way.
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What part of the scriptures would you like to throw away? Any part which would impose any requirement on you?
 
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2 Timothy 3:16-17

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16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God[a] may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
 
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ebdesroches said:
What part of the scriptures would you like to throw away? Any part which would impose any requirement on you?
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LOL, no one said anything about throwing out scriptures; it's the scriptures that remind us not to put too much trust in knowledge. There's a difference between knowledge and truth. The Greeks loved knowledge, but the New Testament teaches the believer to love truth, not knowledge. Truth is the one thing in scarce supply these days.
 
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LOL, no one said anything about throwing out scriptures; it's the scriptures that remind us not to put too much trust in knowledge. There's a difference between knowledge and truth. The Greeks loved knowledge, but the New Testament teaches the believer to love truth, not knowledge. Truth is the one thing in scarce supply these days.
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Hard to argue with anyone that has the truth market cornered.
 
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ebdesroches said:
What part of the scriptures would you like to throw away? Any part which would impose any requirement on you?
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I think that you (and all of us) are living proof of what RA stated..... NONE of us have knowledge of all scriptures, yet we still are followers of Jesus, in a state of grace.
How much "knowledge" does one need to be saved? How much "knowledge" does a baby need to be born?
I think that most of us assume that after we are saved, the true learning begins...... and, hopefully, continues until we are called home.
If we are true followers of Jesus, I believe we will hunger and thirst for more and more knowledge...
 
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hornetguy said:
I think that you (and all of us) are living proof of what RA stated..... NONE of us have knowledge of all scriptures, yet we still are followers of Jesus, in a state of grace.
How much "knowledge" does one need to be saved? How much "knowledge" does a baby need to be born?
I think that most of us assume that after we are saved, the true learning begins...... and, hopefully, continues until we are called home.
If we are true followers of Jesus, I believe we will hunger and thirst for more and more knowledge...
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I remember in my 20’ discovering the sweetness of Gods word. I read it for 2 years dilligently in my spare time. Thinking how great it was, how i was drawn to it, and that it filled a need in me, almost like food. I could finally understand what it was saying,
 
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I think it is pretty safe to say that most of us could give more to and for God than we do. I really did like what he said about giving this moment to God and the next and the next and then we realize we have given our lives to God.
 
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