In what way(s) did Christ take our punishment for sin?

[Locoponydirtman]

Well, you can stary with condescending to live in Human flesh, then go on to hungering amd thirsting in the desert. Then in case yall arent aware of it beimg a consant traveler via on food puts ya in far less than comfortable situations, in the wind amd the rain and the heat and the cold. Then dealing with all the things of being human and suffering our sufferings with us. Then the betrayal and arrest and trials and the stay in jail that goes along with that. Top that off with a brutal beating and torture, and then with His brutalized body carrying that monster cross on the march of shame and death. Then having nail driven through your flesh while folk mock and jeer sufferimg separation from the father and actually dying and entering into death and Hell. Thats how He paid for our sins. Horrific from beginning to end.

 

[Runningman]

The Bible wasn't written in English, so it's always an error to pick a particular English phrase, and then require the Bible to contain it.

What you find, rather, is the concept that Christ died for our SINS.
And those sins, by definition, carry a weight of punishment.
You will find all of these concepts, and you will find them in different places.

God expects us to study the scripture... and in so doing, to piece major concepts together.

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Have a great Christmas.

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I just require the Bible to contain the phrase or describe it. So far I’ve concluded that there is a wage for sin and it’s death. Christ took the payment for our sin.

What actually happened is that Christ was still not a sinner even though he bore our sins in his body on the cross. He became a sin sacrifice.

The twist is that, according to God’s law, non-sinners can’t be put to death, physically, spiritually, or otherwise. This should be enough to give us a glimpse behind the curtain about how God’s laws work.

I’m going to theorize a bit now: by there being a sinless person, Jesus Christ, God exploited a loophole in His system to break the system. Since Christ died, death itself and the one who has the power of death (the devil according to Hebrews 2:14) sinned and can be brought under judgement. Having done so, death can now be cast into the lake of fire where it will be made impotent.

Now, people with faith in Christ can have eternal life in the age to come.

 

[Runningman]

sufferimg separation from the father and actually dying and entering into death and Hell. Thats how He paid for our sins. Horrific from beginning to end.

This specific point is what I am prayerfully meditating on lately.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

I have often heard it said "Christ took our place" or "Christ took the punishment for our sin" or something of that nature.

What I see when I've read through many things in the Bible is that all of the punishments Christ took were temporary, as far as I know.

Perhaps the punishment for our sin that Christ took was separation from God? Is what Isaiah said why Jesus cried out "My God, my God, why have You forsaken me?" When Christ was on the tree (the cross) he bore our sins in his body per 1 Peter 2:24.

Isaiah 59

"But your iniquities have separated
you from your God;
your sins have hidden his face from you...."

I try to look through the Bible as much as possible just to find where things are plainly stated or described, but I haven't really seen how Christ took our punishment. So perhaps you all could shed some light on it?

The punishment was far more than unbearable torments of the physical tortures. This description in the O. T. describes it this way.

"Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, ...
He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities."

Isaiah 53

Not just in that which was visible to the jeering mocking crowds was he suffering in his body, but His entire being, including Jesus' soul was in travail. The Father put all of our sins past present and future upon Jesus who suffered in our place, so we would have the option to escape the torments of hell.

We are wicked.
We deserve the punishment.
He took it for us.

The Crucifixion of Jesus Christ

Those who add their own works of righteousness to what Jesus did should consider that Isaiah also was inspired to write:
"But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags."

Good works like trying to turn from breaking the law to keeping the laws won't save you.
In exchange for our sins, He offers forgiveness and mercy, IF we place 100% of our trust in Him alone.

Christmas Gift for All! Merry Christmas!

 

[MessengerofTruth]

Good works like trying to turn from breaking the law to keeping the laws won't save you.
In exchange for our sins, He offers forgiveness and mercy, IF we place 100% of our trust in Him alone.

 

[maxwel]

I just require the Bible to contain the phrase or describe it. So far I’ve concluded that there is a wage for sin and it’s death. Christ took the payment for our sin.

What actually happened is that Christ was still not a sinner even though he bore our sins in his body on the cross. He became a sin sacrifice.

The twist is that, according to God’s law, non-sinners can’t be put to death, physically, spiritually, or otherwise. This should be enough to give us a glimpse behind the curtain about how God’s laws work.

I’m going to theorize a bit now: by there being a sinless person, Jesus Christ, God exploited a loophole in His system to break the system. Since Christ died, death itself and the one who has the power of death (the devil according to Hebrews 2:14) sinned and can be brought under judgement. Having done so, death can now be cast into the lake of fire where it will be made impotent.

Now, people with faith in Christ can have eternal life in the age to come.

- Christianity has a rich history of 2,000 years of brilliant scholarship, in all areas of doctrine, by some of the most brilliant minds who ever walked the earth.
- I usually recommend people avail themselves of these resources.


Hope you have a great Christmas.
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[Evmur]

I have often heard it said "Christ took our place" or "Christ took the punishment for our sin" or something of that nature.

What I see when I've read through many things in the Bible is that all of the punishments Christ took were temporary, as far as I know.

Perhaps the punishment for our sin that Christ took was separation from God? Is what Isaiah said why Jesus cried out "My God, my God, why have You forsaken me?" When Christ was on the tree (the cross) he bore our sins in his body per 1 Peter 2:24.

Isaiah 59
1Surely the arm of the Lord is not too short to save,
nor his ear too dull to hear.
2But your iniquities have separated
you from your God;
your sins have hidden his face from you,
so that he will not hear.

I try to look through the Bible as much as possible just to find where things are plainly stated or described, but I haven't really seen how Christ took our punishment. So perhaps you all could shed some light on it?

But He was raised in NEWNESS of life ... that was the resurrected Lord Jesus. No longer the lowly preach from Galilee. When we's saved, born again our souls pass over from judgement to this new resurrection life. our bodies will follow on after.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

This specific point is what I am prayerfully meditating on lately.

Thats cool. Im just not one to hyper focus on one aspect.

 

[Runningman]

- Christianity has a rich history of 2,000 years of brilliant scholarship, in all areas of doctrine, by some of the most brilliant minds who ever walked the earth.
- I usually recommend people avail themselves of these resources.


Hope you have a great Christmas.
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Not long after the apple fell from the tree, so speak, a war broke out in the church where competing ideologies and interpretations battled for supremacy.

The house divided against itself and the dominant side chased their theological adversaries into the shadows, burned their writings, or otherwise murdered them.

So reading early church writings can appear a bit one sided sometimes and that isn’t useful for me. So I often search for a wider range of perspectives.

 

[Runningman]

Thats cool. Im just not one to hyper focus on one aspect.

That’s cool. Personally I really love the finer details. I can see the perks to being a generalist though.

 

[Mii]

I’m going to theorize a bit now: by there being a sinless person, Jesus Christ, God exploited a loophole in His system to break the system. Since Christ died, death itself and the one who has the power of death (the devil according to Hebrews 2:14) sinned and can be brought under judgement. Having done so, death can now be cast into the lake of fire where it will be made impotent.

Now, people with faith in Christ can have eternal life in the age to come.

I really appreciated your theorizing there. Thanks for sharing. Somehow that opened up a thought pattern that I find pretty useful at present. I'll consider sharing myself but it ended up being a deeper argument for the divinity of Jesus.


On topic though. Can you specify what you are having an issue with?

Substitutionary atonement... the propitiation allowing eternal life vs eternal death to even be an option seems pretty straightforward in scripture.

The how/why it works is a different matter. I hope I get some understanding to satisfy in this life but I don't personally see how it even could make perfect sense other than God worked it that way.

 

[Runningman]

I really appreciated your theorizing there. Thanks for sharing. Somehow that opened up a thought pattern that I find pretty useful at present. I'll consider sharing myself but it ended up being a deeper argument for the divinity of Jesus.


On topic though. Can you specify what you are having an issue with?

Substitutionary atonement... the propitiation allowing eternal life vs eternal death to even be an option seems pretty straightforward in scripture.

The how/why it works is a different matter. I hope I get some understanding to satisfy in this life but I don't personally see how it even could make perfect sense other than God worked it that way.

The issue for me has changed a bit since the first page. On the first page I was just kind of looking to see how the Bible describes in what ways Christ took our punishment. I think the punishment Christ took for us was probably separation from God and spiritual death. After that Christ was resurrected.

I would like to point out in the below passage, the word for life below is actually the same word for soul. With that in mind, it gives a better angle of what happened, imo.

Mark 8
34Then he called the crowd to him along with his disciples and said: “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me. 35For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me and for the gospel will save it. 36What good is it for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? 37Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul? 38If anyone is ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will be ashamed of them when he comes in his Father’s glory with the holy angels.”

 

[persistent]

I haven't really seen how Christ took our punishment. So perhaps you all could shed some light on it?

EXCERPT of PSALM 22 ..........NIV
12Many bulls surround me;
strong bulls of Bashan encircle me.
13Roaring lions that tear their prey
open their mouths wide against me.
14I am poured out like water,
and all my bones are out of joint.
My heart has turned to wax;
it has melted within me.
15My mouth d is dried up like a potsherd,
and my tongue sticks to the roof of my mouth;
you lay me in the dust of death.
16Dogs surround me,
a pack of villains encircles me;
they pierce e my hands and my feet.
17All my bones are on display;
people stare and gloat over me.
18They divide my clothes among them
and cast lots for my garment.

 

[notonmywatch]

Ok I think I get it Give this a read, or listen, see if it answers your question.
https://www.gty.org/library/sermons-library/45-09/the-wrath-of-god

Although I normally disagree with a lot of what John MacArthur teaches, that was a good sermon.

Thanks for sharing it.

 

[NOV25]

Although I normally disagree with a lot of what John MacArthur teaches, that was a good sermon.

Thanks for sharing it.

Listening to a sermon from someone you normally disagree with and still being able to find value is impressive. Inspirational. So thank you!

 

[notonmywatch]

Listening to a sermon from someone you normally disagree with and still being able to find value is impressive. Inspirational. So thank you!

I texted a link to that sermon to two Christian brothers after I listened to it, and I also posted it on social media.

You don't hear too many sermons nowadays on the topic of "The wrath of God", but it's a common theme throughout both the Old and New Testaments.

 

[NOV25]

I texted a link to that sermon to two Christian brothers after I listened to it, and I also posted it on social media.

You don't hear too many sermons nowadays on the topic of "The wrath of God", but it's a common theme throughout both the Old and New Testaments.

Agreed. It's an essential part of the gospel that most people don't hear, hence the OP.

 

[jaybo]

Agreed. It's an essential part of the gospel that most people don't hear, hence the OP.

John 3:16, “For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life."

 

[Runningman]

EXCERPT of PSALM 22 ..........NIV
12Many bulls surround me;
strong bulls of Bashan encircle me.
13Roaring lions that tear their prey
open their mouths wide against me.
14I am poured out like water,
and all my bones are out of joint.
My heart has turned to wax;
it has melted within me.
15My mouth d is dried up like a potsherd,
and my tongue sticks to the roof of my mouth;
you lay me in the dust of death.
16Dogs surround me,
a pack of villains encircles me;
they pierce e my hands and my feet.
17All my bones are on display;
people stare and gloat over me.
18They divide my clothes among them
and cast lots for my garment.

Love that one. Psalm 22 is a good read.

 

[Runningman]

Ok I think I get it Give this a read, or listen, see if it answers your question.
https://www.gty.org/library/sermons-library/45-09/the-wrath-of-god

I’m finally getting around to listening to this. So we’ll see how it goes.