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Okay maybe I can provide a little info. There's a fact-check site, Full Fact, that talked about this subject. They said the first cells were taken from an aborted baby in 1973, but the HEK-293 cells used nowadays are clones of those cells. (Still, horrible and disgusting.) This site of course claims these cells are only used in research to test flavors. But others (see Health and Happiness' link to Weston A. Price Foundation) have found this not to be the case. And I watched a youtube video of an interview with someone about Senomyx, and they were talking about a new "sweetness enhancer" Pepsi was going to start using. (This was several years ago.) Of course it was a secular interview and they said nothing about human cells, but it doesn't take much connecting the dots to see. Hope this helps anyone out there even if it doesn't answer your questions.
I understand what you mean because it's hard to avoid it when it's so pervasive. But remember, "Whether therefore ye eat or drink,or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God." 1 Cor. 10:31 I don't think eating that kind of thing is honouring to Him.
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Yes. Quite bizarre. I didn't listen to papermonkey because of all the run-ins I've had with him/her, and all I read was that "natural flavors" = embryos.
For the love of God, do you know how many things contain natural flavorings???? That can't possibly be true for all of that. We'd have to cut down what we buy to, I dunno, 10% our brand selection??
For the love of God, do you know how many things contain natural flavorings???? That can't possibly be true for all of that. We'd have to cut down what we buy to, I dunno, 10% our brand selection??
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I know what you mean.
I disagree with the notion that "natural flavors" = embryos.
Specifically the substance called HEK stands for Human Embryonic Kidney cells. The 293rd baby used in the research was used in many things, from some of the vaccines to "food" additives by some companies. I lost my list of which companies, but if I can find an extensive one, I'll share it with you so you can print it out and take it when you go grocery shopping. Not all "natural flavors" contain the HEK, only a small but growing percentage. It's not usually labeled, so investigators must do a lot of work to learn which companies admit to it in their processed foods and injections.
I disagree with the notion that "natural flavors" = embryos.
Specifically the substance called HEK stands for Human Embryonic Kidney cells. The 293rd baby used in the research was used in many things, from some of the vaccines to "food" additives by some companies. I lost my list of which companies, but if I can find an extensive one, I'll share it with you so you can print it out and take it when you go grocery shopping. Not all "natural flavors" contain the HEK, only a small but growing percentage. It's not usually labeled, so investigators must do a lot of work to learn which companies admit to it in their processed foods and injections.
Artificial and natural flavors can be anything. More common are MSG variants and Aspartame. For instance, years ago, a lab tested bubble gums and chewing gums that were top sellers and found aspartame in each, even though they weren't labeled on many of the packages. If something tastes sweeter than sugar and it isn't labeled Stevia, which happens to be fine, then I won't eat it. Stevia is a harmless sweet leaf plant that is expensive and will always be labeled because it's got a loyal following that pays extra for it. . If it's an artificial sweetener, it might not be labeled. Artificial sweeteners are all bad and are cheap. Many of them are addictive and a couple contain Mercury.
Aspartame/ nutrasweet is just one example that your might be aware of. Continued use of aspartame can have serious effects, so rather than giving up, I just mark products off my list as I discover something like those. I still occasionally eat something with "natural flavors "on occasion, but don't make a habit of it since it's a mystery. If it's too sweet or makes me hungrier after eating, headache, inflammation then my response is no more ever again. Maybe I can make my own from whole foods. The only drawback to that is the effort and time to make them.
Aspartame/ nutrasweet is just one example that your might be aware of. Continued use of aspartame can have serious effects, so rather than giving up, I just mark products off my list as I discover something like those. I still occasionally eat something with "natural flavors "on occasion, but don't make a habit of it since it's a mystery. If it's too sweet or makes me hungrier after eating, headache, inflammation then my response is no more ever again. Maybe I can make my own from whole foods. The only drawback to that is the effort and time to make them.
That's good.
It commonly causes headaches and cognitive decline, ms like symptoms, obesity. It affects people differently. I lost a cousin to it. It's so common that I try to steer others from it. In institutions like nursing homes and hospitals, the dietitians contribute to the problems.
It commonly causes headaches and cognitive decline, ms like symptoms, obesity. It affects people differently. I lost a cousin to it. It's so common that I try to steer others from it. In institutions like nursing homes and hospitals, the dietitians contribute to the problems.
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The good news is that it's dependent on how long someone uses it. If they're addicted to diet drinks for instance, it may take a long time. I worked with someone who had dementia from Aspartame. He got motivated enough to give up diet colas, detox and add appropriate steps and got his mind back.
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It is not that anything with some form of the 'natural flavor' label is guaranteed to have "baby parts" in it - it is that it could be so - because, they hide so many bad things behind that label.
One thing you can be quite sure of, however - if it has some form of the 'natural flavor' label - it is very highly likely that there is something in it that you don't want to put in your body - because, they hide so many bad things behind that label.
Anything that they consider comes from a "natural" source - including "baby parts" - that is used as some kind of "flavor enhancer" - they will hide behind the 'natural flavor' label.
One thing you can be quite sure of, however - if it has some form of the 'natural flavor' label - it is very highly likely that there is something in it that you don't want to put in your body - because, they hide so many bad things behind that label.
Anything that they consider comes from a "natural" source - including "baby parts" - that is used as some kind of "flavor enhancer" - they will hide behind the 'natural flavor' label.
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Here's an audio file for you and Gojira on a related subject from my doctor. She doesn't go into HEK, but it may still be of interest.
Don't let anyone tell you it's a dangerous link or any such nonsense.
Someone won't believe it is reliable because it wasn't a drug ad on ABC, CBS, or NBC, but that's OK. I can live with that . They can take their CV shots or whatever they want. I won't recommend it by any means though.
Dr. Daniels on the use of fetal placental cells used in medical treatments
Don't let anyone tell you it's a dangerous link or any such nonsense.
Someone won't believe it is reliable because it wasn't a drug ad on ABC, CBS, or NBC, but that's OK. I can live with that . They can take their CV shots or whatever they want. I won't recommend it by any means though.
Dr. Daniels on the use of fetal placental cells used in medical treatments