Paul and Active Christianity

[Pilgrimshope]

“Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates,

to be ready to every good work, to speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men.

For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.

But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; that being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.”
‭‭Titus‬ ‭3:1-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which

I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5:19-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

there seems a very social element and consideration to the church doctrine God bless consider more scripture for yourself

 

[HopeinHim4ever]

“Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates,

to be ready to every good work, to speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men.

For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.

But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; that being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.”
‭‭Titus‬ ‭3:1-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which

I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5:19-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

there seems a very social element and consideration to the church doctrine God bless consider more scripture for yourself

Yes faith without works is dead.

 

[tinathebookworm]

The passage of works of the flesh gives me concern. Don't we all sin daily and fall short of the glory of God?

 

[HopeinHim4ever]

The passage of works of the flesh gives me concern. Don't we all sin daily and fall short of the glory of God?

1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.

 

[persistent]

1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.

21 ¶ Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times? 22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.

The passage of works of the flesh gives me concern. Don't we all sin daily and fall short of the glory of God?

21 ¶ Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times? 22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

The passage of works of the flesh gives me concern. Don't we all sin daily and fall short of the glory of God?

This passage shows that we must live in repentance.
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
I John 1:8‭-‬10 NKJV

 

[Locoponydirtman]

there seems a very social element and consideration to the church doctrine

Please clarify. Im not sure what you mean by this. Thanks.

 

[Runningman]

Acts 23
4Those who were standing near Paul said, “How dare you insult God’s high priest!”
5Paul replied, “Brothers, I did not realize that he was the high priest; for it is written: ‘Do not speak evil about the ruler of your people.’ ”

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Yes faith without works is dead.

Yes and works without faith is clanging cymbals and banging a gong

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Please clarify. Im not sure what you mean by this. Thanks.

I mean that social behavior is big part of what we are taught as Christian’s

seven the Ten Commandments in the ot seem to be centered upon social behavior

when we kill we do that to other people

We steal from other people, lie to other people covet other peoples things ect

Its just my thought but sometimes it seems like we see Christianity as only personal and not as a social guide as well as a personal faith is all I meant , it seems to me there is a very social element to Gods Will for mankind

 

[Pilgrimshope]

The passage of works of the flesh gives me concern. Don't we all sin daily and fall short of the glory of God?

Those kinds of scriptures are supposed to give a believer concern it’s meant to teach us to repent and make sure we don’t think “ now it doesn’t matter what I do “

Notice how consistent it is in his letters you have Galatians 5 there and then

“Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭6:9-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And again

“Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; and walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.

But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Be not ye therefore partakers with them.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭5:1-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

As we let the truth in it’s going to change our mind from believing “ we all sin everyday all day there’s no way to change “

Just simply understanding that we can’t keep living in sin is important

“I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭13:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭5:32‬ ‭

“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

when you accept things like paul explaining about the works of the flesh ( sin ) it’s meant to change what you think

a as a believer if we believe “ we all
Sin everyday there’s nothing different “ it’s going to keep us there like shackles but when we start to let in the truth about sin it’s going to accomplish this

“in meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; and that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭2:25-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The devils Will for us is sin because he knows it’s death that truth helps to change our mind about our actions it helps bring us to repentance our place is just to accept what we’re learning especially the things our flesh doesn’t want to accept

 

[Locoponydirtman]

I mean that social behavior is big part of what we are taught as Christian’s

seven the Ten Commandments in the ot seem to be centered upon social behavior

when we kill we do that to other people

We steal from other people, lie to other people covet other peoples things ect

Its just my thought but sometimes it seems like we see Christianity as only personal and not as a social guide as well as a personal faith is all I meant , it seems to me there is a very social element to Gods Will for mankind

How we treat our nieghbors and our brothers and sisters is important to God. Its true.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

How we treat our nieghbors and our brothers and sisters is important to God. It’s true.

yeah and it seems to be the center of it all

“Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭22:37-40‬ ‭

“Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:1-3‬ ‭

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Acts 23
4Those who were standing near Paul said, “How dare you insult God’s high priest!”
5Paul replied, “Brothers, I did not realize that he was the high priest; for it is written: ‘Do not speak evil about the ruler of your people.’ ”

not sure where this one fits or comes from

 

[Pilgrimshope]

This passage shows that we must live in repentance.
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
I John 1:8‭-‬10 NKJV

amen

“If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: but if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

If we say that we have not sinned, ( refuse to repent ) we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭1:6-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

when you’ve done something wrong and you realize it , you have to acknolwedge it to yourself and the lord and repent if we do that he’s promised to wash it away

we should have the attitude “ never sin “ but when we have sinned and realize we aren’t perfect either we can’t forget the advocate and propitiation and Jesus ability to forgive and wash us clean as if we never sinned at all

“My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:1-2‬ ‭

Your right on repentance is an ongoing life decision we make that when we have fallen short and done a wrong we’re going to acknolwedge it was wrong and repent moving forward

Repent doesn’t mean “ become sinless and then I’ll save you “ it’s an attitude a life belief , a way

 

[John146]

Yes and works without faith is clanging cymbals and banging a gong

And halleluiah, I'm justified by the faith of Jesus Christ. He has accomplished all the work for salvation. His faith justifies the believer. My faith waivers, always has, always will, but his faith never waivers.

 

[John146]

And halleluiah, I'm justified by the faith of Jesus Christ. He has accomplished all the work for salvation. His faith justifies the believer. My faith waivers, always has, always will, but his faith never waivers.

My confidence comes in the faith of Jesus Christ, the one who never sinned and always pleased the Father. I have zero confidence in my faith. I have access to the Father by the faith of Jesus Christ.

Ephesians 3
11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:
12 In whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

And halleluiah, I'm justified by the faith of Jesus Christ. He has accomplished all the work for salvation. His faith justifies the believer. My faith waivers, always has, always will, but his faith never waivers.

“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:46‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:48-50‬ ‭KJV‬‬

You can’t have faith until you hear the gospel and receive it

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Jesus provided salvation it requires us to hear and believe his word and follow after him

His work was done before the cross after he preached the word of life before he died

“I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.”
‭‭John‬ ‭17:4-6, 8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

this isn’t a hypergrace thread brother it’s about Paul’s teachings regarding active Christianity

things like this that if we accept it guards our minds against things like hypergrace and lack of self control

“Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;

But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.

For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Be not ye therefore partakers with them.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭5:1, 3-7‬ ‭

Things like that are real important because so many are explaining other things to believe

 

[Pilgrimshope]

My confidence comes in the faith of Jesus Christ, the one who never sinned and always pleased the Father. I have zero confidence in my faith. I have access to the Father by the faith of Jesus Christ.

Ephesians 3
11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:
12 In whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him.

Why don’t you believe anything he said then ?

“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

some folks faith comes from rejecting his word I’m not sure that’s the same faith that comes from accepting his word

“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:42-43, 51‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[Locoponydirtman]

amen

“If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: but if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

If we say that we have not sinned, ( refuse to repent ) we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭1:6-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

when you’ve done something wrong and you realize it , you have to acknolwedge it to yourself and the lord and repent if we do that he’s promised to wash it away

we should have the attitude “ never sin “ but when we have sinned and realize we aren’t perfect either we can’t forget the advocate and propitiation and Jesus ability to forgive and wash us clean as if we never sinned at all

“My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:1-2‬ ‭

Your right on repentance is an ongoing life decision we make that when we have fallen short and done a wrong we’re going to acknolwedge it was wrong and repent moving forward

Repent doesn’t mean “ become sinless and then I’ll save you “ it’s an attitude a life belief , a way

Agreed.