Do you observe the Sabbath?

[TMS]

Thus Christ established the principle that the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath. Included in that Lordship over the Sabbath was the fact that Christ would rise on the first day of the week (what we call Sunday) and establish it as the day of Christian (a) rest, (b) worship, and (c) good works. So the principle of Sabbath observance is already embedded in Christian worship.

What you said was great until you applied it to Sunday.
Yes Jesus did rise from the dead on Sunday. But that does not mean the Sabbath was changed from the seventh day to the first day of the week.
God was specific about which day was to be kept Holy.
And no where do you find God or Jesus changing the sanctity of the day.

Exo 20:8-11
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

The seventh day not the first.

 

[TMS]

And, on the chance that you "defile it"?:

Exo_31:14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people." (cp Num 15:32-36)
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I don't believe God Supports "pick and choose" theology.

Just sayin'...

Do you believe we should follow the 7th commandmet, "Thou shalt not commit adultery."?
Mat 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: 28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Lev 20:10 KJV And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

If you believe adultery is wrong today, can i believe remembeing the sabbath is right today?

 

[gb9]

Do you believe we should follow the 7th commandmet, "Thou shalt not commit adultery."?
Mat 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: 28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Lev 20:10 KJV And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

If you believe adultery is wrong today, can i believe remembeing the sabbath is right today?

nine of the Ten was repeated for Christ followers to keep in the New Covenant ( no such thing as a renewed Covenant).

Sabbath was not.

gentiles were and are not under the Mosiac Covenant.

 

[TMS]

We show our faith by our works/fruits of obedience, (James 2:18) yet we are still saved by faith and not by works. (Ephesians 2:8,9)

After all that we come to the same conclusion.
Amen.
If i do any works that are good, it is only by faith in Jesus. Jesus does the work in me by faith. Jesus is the source of all good.
We can do nothing good without Jesus.

By having a relationship with Jesus, trusting and spending time with Him, we grow closer to Him and our works/ fruits reflect this.

What we believe sin is, is where we differ.

In the same way that people are moved by the Spirit of God and choose to not steal and to not take Gods name in vain, I choose to remember the sabbath to keep it holy.

 

[TMS]

nine of the Ten was repeated for Christ followers to keep in the New Covenant ( no such thing as a renewed Covenant).

Sabbath was not.

gentiles were and are not under the Mosiac Covenant.

Please show me the new covenant and how 9 not 10 are part of it?
The bible should be clear about this.

 

[mailmandan]

In the same way that people are moved by the Spirit of God and choose to not steal and to not take Gods name in vain, I choose to remember the sabbath to keep it holy.

How exactly do you remember the sabbath day to keep it holy under the new covenant? (Colossians 2:16-17) Scripture please. There was much more involved in keeping the sabbath day holy under the old covenant of law than merely resting on the 7th day. (Exodus 16:23, 29; 31:12-18; 35:1-3; Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3, 32; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13; Amos 8:5; Nehemiah 10:31 etc..)

 

[mailmandan]

Exo 20:8-11
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it...

Who is being addressed here? Exodus 20:2 - I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. The Israelites.

Exodus 31:16 - Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant. 17 It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever; for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.

Deuteronomy 5:15 - And remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the Lord your God brought you out from there by a mighty hand and by an outstretched arm; therefore the Lord your God commanded you to keep the Sabbath day.

 

[HopeinHim4ever]

What you said was great until you applied it to Sunday.
Yes Jesus did rise from the dead on Sunday. But that does not mean the Sabbath was changed from the seventh day to the first day of the week.
God was specific about which day was to be kept Holy.
And no where do you find God or Jesus changing the sanctity of the day.

Exo 20:8-11
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

The seventh day not the first.

The Catholic church say its their mark of authority that they changed it from the 7th to the 1st day of the week.

 

[Theopolitan]

Haven't read 34 pages of posts, so if this has been mentioned already, I apologize for the redundancy.

Jesus is our Rest.

For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. For if Joshua had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. - Hebrews 4:3-11 KJV​

 

[Runningman]

Haven't read 34 pages of posts, so if this has been mentioned already, I apologize for the redundancy.

Jesus is our Rest.

For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. For if Joshua had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. - Hebrews 4:3-11 KJV​

This is talking about people not getting a Sabbath due to not believing in the Sabbath. Try to read it without thinking "Jesus is our rest" because the passage doesn't say that. Apparently it was a problem then, too. According to Hebrews 4:3-11 there are blessings for those who keep the sabbath and possibly a "fall" for those who don't.

 

[mailmandan]

Haven't read 34 pages of posts, so if this has been mentioned already, I apologize for the redundancy.

Jesus is our Rest.

For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. For if Joshua had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. - Hebrews 4:3-11 KJV​

Believers find their "sabbatismos" rest in Christ (Hebrews 4:9) in contrast with keeping the weekly sabbath day under the law.

 

[Theopolitan]

This is talking about people not getting a Sabbath due to not believing in the Sabbath.

Incorrect. This is about missing the rest that Christ offers (Matthew 11:28) by not believing in Him.

Try to read it without thinking "Jesus is our rest" because the passage doesn't say that.

I would have to deny the entire message of the Book of Hebrews to do that. Because it absolutely does say that Christ is our rest. Pick up the passage I cited at 3:12.

 

[JohnDB]

Sabbath Laws is, are, was, were, be, being, and have been all about the institution of the New Covenant instituted by Jesus's very own innocent blood.

The surface actions of going to "church" or synagogue on Saturday or Sunday are wholly insufficient for keeping this Holiday Commandment.

Laws, rules, and even traditions commemorative of the past are typified by the various conditions of water in ANE cultures.

Water stored was known as dead water. Such as a cistern or barrel of some sort. Suitable but can become brackish very quickly.

Water that flowed was "living water". It was Suitable for everything imaginable....from irrigation to bathing and of course drinking. It was mandatory that Mikvehs were fed by living water such as a spring or river.

Water that came from Heaven in the form of Dew or Rain or even Snow/hail was always a gift from God. Dew in Judah's territory and North usually are sufficient to actually cause the grass to grow. But usually are restricted to particular seasons. Meaning that Christmas is most likely at the correct time of year. (Shepherds letting sheep graze on the free grass instead of purchased hay or grain.)

Then we have the Sea....
After "the earth" or men were finished with the water it always flowed into the sea....the sea/tehovm/abyss/deep was the place of chaos. Never once a moments rest. As in: "There is no rest for the wicked"

 

[JohnDB]

What these types of water/Laws have in common is fairly simple to deduce from a culture that was completely comfortable with co-existing with the natural world.

The Law of Moses came from God but had been static for a long time....ergo brackish. (Mara)
It had flowed as often cisterns were leaky into the sea....and Jesus showed utter contempt for the sea by walking on the Sea of Galilee....showing it the soles of his feet.

So now we have this gift from God in the current form of flowing, living water. No real rules or banks to remain within....but always flowing into the sea....where of course the legalistic people demand strict adherence to traditions or rules. Or you have others refusing to follow any traditions or rules making a new "rule" for everyone..

 

[Runningman]

I would have to deny the entire message of the Book of Hebrews to do that.

You just need to understand what the Bible actually says. Your Hebrews 4 passage doesn't support what you claimed it does.

God's 10 commandments are eternal. There is no passage or verse that says Jesus is our Sabbath rest, that the Sabbath was replaced, or that keeping the Sabbath is not required.

Psalm 119
160All your words are true;
all your righteous laws are eternal.

Luke 16
17It is easier for heaven and earth to disappear than for the least stroke of a pen to drop out of the Law.

I also might add, followers of Jesus continued to keep the Sabbath post-crucifixion since nothing Jesus said abolished the Sabbath.

Luke23
55The women who had come with Jesus from Galilee followed Joseph and saw the tomb and how his body was laid in it. 56Then they went home and prepared spices and perfumes. But they rested on the Sabbath in obedience to the commandment.

Given that, do you think the idea that we shouldn't keep the Sabbath is a deception?

 

[JohnDB]

You just need to understand what the Bible actually says. Your Hebrews 4 passage doesn't support what you claimed it does.

God's 10 commandments are eternal. There is no passage or verse that says Jesus is our Sabbath rest, that the Sabbath was replaced, or that keeping the Sabbath is not required.

Psalm 119
160All your words are true;
all your righteous laws are eternal.

Luke 16
17It is easier for heaven and earth to disappear than for the least stroke of a pen to drop out of the Law.

Given that, do you think the idea that we shouldn't keep the Sabbath is a deception?

If only you understood what the Sabbath is.

That's the part you are missing.

The Sabbath Commandments were all about the change of Covenants and issuance of a New Covenant. You keep the Sabbath Commandments today by faith in Jesus and keeping His New Covenant...not by going to church on Saturday which was the Commandments of faith that Jesus (the promised Messiah) was going to come and issue a New Covenant. (Which He has already done)

Now if you want to demonstrate faith in the final NWO to come you need to have services before and during Sunrise. That would be more in keeping with how things should be instead of things that are already past.

 

[Runningman]

If only you understood what the Sabbath is.

That's the part you are missing.

The Sabbath Commandments were all about the change of Covenants and issuance of a New Covenant. You keep the Sabbath Commandments today by faith in Jesus and keeping His New Covenant...not by going to church on Saturday which was the Commandments of faith that Jesus (the promised Messiah) was going to come and issue a New Covenant. (Which He has already done)

Now if you want to demonstrate faith in the final NWO to come you need to have services before and during Sunrise. That would be more in keeping with how things should be instead of things that are already past.

I understand it and the more I look at it the more compelling the evidence is for literal Sabbath keeping.

In Matthew 24, Jesus speaks of eschatological end times, referring to a future event that clearly hasn't even happened yet.

Matthew 24:20
20Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath.

If the literal Sabbath was going to be irrelevant then why did Jesus tell his disciples to pray that their flight, from the things mentioned in the preceding verses, not take place on the Sabbath? On the Sabbath they would normally be resting, but taking flight isn't rest. So Jesus clearly had respect for the literal Sabbath in mind for the end times which we are presently in.

 

[Cameron143]

No I'm not judge. God is judge.

I see it like this... the righteousness of Jesus is what is given to us by faith.

If we stand before God...we all have sinned.... we all fail, but if covered by Jesus's gift, we are seen as righteous.

Jesus will not give His righteousness to all.

Mat 7:20-23
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know

I understand it and the more I look at it the more compelling the evidence is for literal Sabbath keeping.

In Matthew 24, Jesus speaks of eschatological end times, referring to a future event that clearly hasn't even happened yet.

Matthew 24:20
20Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath.

If the literal Sabbath was going to be irrelevant then why did Jesus tell his disciples to pray that their flight, from the things mentioned in the preceding verses, not take place on the Sabbath? On the Sabbath they would normally be resting, but taking flight isn't rest. So Jesus clearly had respect for the literal Sabbath in mind for the end times which we are in.

It will always be literal under the old covenant. It was always symbolic, too, of a greater and spiritual rest to be found in Christ. The whole OT finds its fulfillment in Christ. All the promises of God are in Him yes and amen.

 

[Runningman]

It will always be literal under the old covenant. It was always symbolic, too, of a greater and spiritual rest to be found in Christ. The whole OT finds its fulfillment in Christ. All the promises of God are in Him yes and amen.

If Jesus is the Sabbath rest then why did he tell his disciples to pray their flight not take place on the Sabbath?

Jesus said he is Lord of the Sabbath, not that he is the Sabbath.

Matthew 12
8For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.”

 

[Cameron143]

If Jesus is the Sabbath rest then why did he tell his disciples to pray their flight not take place on the Sabbath? Jesus said he is Lord of the Sabbath, not that he is the Sabbath.

Matthew 12
8For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.”

Because He was picturing a time of judgment for which there is no rest. I don't think the teaching was specifically for them but a general teaching delivered to them.