Doctrine of Unconditional Election

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ForestGreenCook

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The bible defines the adoption as the redemption of the body. It's a future event all believers are destined for. It hasn't occurred yet, hence, predestined for the adoption. Paul is talking to already saved people:

Romans 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

Adoption is done by the processing of phases. First the Father chooses who he wants to adopt, (Eph 1:4) secondly, He pays the price, by his Son's death (Eph 1:4), and the final phase is when He brings them home (Matt 24:31).
 

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In Paul's Epistle to the Romans, he dauntlessly declared eternal unconditional election, and counters the objections of his opposers. Rom 9:11-13 "For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God, according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth; it was said unto her, the elder shall serve the younger. As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated."

The opposers are now ready to charge God with being unfair and unrighteous Rom 9:14-15

14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.

15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

To be at odds with unconditional election is to be at odds with revealed Gospel Truth !
 

John146

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In Paul's Epistle to the Romans, he dauntlessly declared eternal unconditional election, and counters the objections of his opposers. Rom 9:11-13 "For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God, according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth; it was said unto her, the elder shall serve the younger. As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated."

The opposers are now ready to charge God with being unfair and unrighteous Rom 9:14-15

14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.

15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

To be at odds with unconditional election is to be at odds with revealed Gospel Truth !
Man cannot choose the way unto salvation. God has chosen the way and that is through Jesus Christ. If man wants to receive God's mercy, man must believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. Man cannot will it or work it any other way. Again, the RCC John Calvin is wrong.
 

John146

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Dangers of Calvinism, aka fatalism...

Why pray? Let's play.
Why hand out gospel tracts? Let's go to the movies.
Why share the gospel? Let's talk about the game.
Why preach out on the street? Let's go grab something to eat.

Let us eat and drink for tomorrow we die.
 

ForestGreenCook

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Dangers of Calvinism, aka fatalism...

Why pray? Let's play.
Why hand out gospel tracts? Let's go to the movies.
Why share the gospel? Let's talk about the game.
Why preach out on the street? Let's go grab something to eat.

Let us eat and drink for tomorrow we die.

We are instructed to teach, and pray for, the lost sheep of the household of Israel/Jacob. The household of Israel/Jacob are made up of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation.


God blinded most of the house of Israel, his sheep, for their disobedience, in turning away from him, and worshiping idols however he left in the midst of them an afflicted and poor people that trusted in the Lord. The remnant of Israel shall do no iniquity, nor speak lies; neither shall a deceitful tongue be found in their mouth, for they shall feed and lie down, and none shall make them afraid. (Zeph 3:11-13).

The remnant of Israel is to teach the gospel to the lost sheep of the house of Israel, and pray for their repentance

Both, the house of Israel, and the remnant have the promise of an eternal inheritance.
 

rogerg

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Man cannot choose the way unto salvation. God has chosen the way and that is through Jesus Christ. If man wants to receive God's mercy, man must believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. Man cannot will it or work it any other way. Again, the RCC John Calvin is wrong.
No, you are the one who is wrong.

[2Co 4:4 KJV] 4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

[Act 13:48 KJV] 48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

[1Pe 1:21 KJV] 21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
 

ForestGreenCook

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Man cannot choose the way unto salvation. God has chosen the way and that is through Jesus Christ. If man wants to receive God's mercy, man must believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. Man cannot will it or work it any other way. Again, the RCC John Calvin is wrong.
Only God's sheep can hear and believe in spiritual things, unlike the unregenerate natural man who thinks the things of the Spirit are foolishness. (1 Cor 2:14) (Rom 10:25-29)
 

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We are instructed to teach, and pray for, the lost sheep of the household of Israel/Jacob. The household of Israel/Jacob are made up of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation.


God blinded most of the house of Israel, his sheep, for their disobedience, in turning away from him, and worshiping idols however he left in the midst of them an afflicted and poor people that trusted in the Lord. The remnant of Israel shall do no iniquity, nor speak lies; neither shall a deceitful tongue be found in their mouth, for they shall feed and lie down, and none shall make them afraid. (Zeph 3:11-13).

The remnant of Israel is to teach the gospel to the lost sheep of the house of Israel, and pray for their repentance

Both, the house of Israel, and the remnant have the promise of an eternal inheritance.
The house of Israel are the Jews from the twelve tribes. Rightly divide the word of truth.
 

John146

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No, you are the one who is wrong.

[2Co 4:4 KJV] 4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

[Act 13:48 KJV] 48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

[1Pe 1:21 KJV] 21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
Blindness happened to those because of their unbelief, not the other way around. Ordination in the bible never is a fixed thing.
 

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Only God's sheep can hear and believe in spiritual things, unlike the unregenerate natural man who thinks the things of the Spirit are foolishness. (1 Cor 2:14) (Rom 10:25-29)
I've given many example from scripture where this is not the case. Your private interpretation of one verse has created contradictions in the scriptures.
 

Magenta

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God created people in His image, with free will.
God being able to do all that He pleases does not amount to a free will, for it would not please Him to lie, for instance. Now it
could be argued that God would not desire to lie, but that is a separate point. God's character is such that He is is unable to lie.


Man's will, too, is constrained by his nature.
 
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God being able to do all that He pleases does not amount to a free will, for it would not please Him to lie, for instance. Now it
could be argued that God would not desire to lie, but that is a separate point. God's character is such that He is is unable to lie.


Man's will, too, is constrained by his nature.
I neither said, nor implied, that God could or would lie.

Thanks to Adam, man has a sinful nature. That does not mean that man cannot choose to seek God, nor does it mean God must first intervene in a person's life before that person has the capacity to believe the gospel.

Calvinism is false.
 

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Man cannot choose the way unto salvation. God has chosen the way and that is through Jesus Christ. If man wants to receive God's mercy, man must believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. Man cannot will it or work it any other way. Again, the RCC John Calvin is wrong.
You are promoting conditional election, which in essence denies salvation by grace.
 

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No, you are the one who is wrong.

[2Co 4:4 KJV] 4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

[Act 13:48 KJV] 48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

[1Pe 1:21 KJV] 21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

They choose to not believe, it does not state they were unable to believe.
 

rogerg

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Blindness happened to those because of their unbelief, not the other way around. Ordination in the bible never is a fixed thing.
It is the other way around. Where in the Bible do you find documented the doctrine that you've mentioned above?
 

Magenta

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I neither said, nor implied, that God could or would lie.

Thanks to Adam, man has a sinful nature. That does not mean that man cannot choose to seek God, nor does it mean God must first intervene in a person's life before that person has the capacity to believe the gospel.

Calvinism is false.
Nor did I say anything about you saying God could lie. I was making a point which seemed to go right over your head. So I ask you point blank: Can God lie?