Doctrine of Unconditional Election

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Cameron143 said:
Look at what you wrote. Did God need to repent? Was God really going to do evil?

A literal translation of the text assigns evil to God. Do you believe that?
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Yes! Destruction is evil. Evil is not necessarily sin.
 
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VARob said:
Gen 6:
6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
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You missed the point but ok
 
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VARob said:
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Would you please explain the point to me?
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Sure. If one believes that God changes His mind, then God cannot be omniscient. If He knows everything, He will never have to change His mind. It would also make Him a liar because He says He does not change.
If you take the verse literally, then God is also a source of evil. This would mean He is not holy.
 
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John146 said:
I’m not into man made ideas. I try my best to allow scripture to define God. He said he was going to destroy them in forty days. He did not destroy them in forty days.

10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.
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“Go to the great city of Nineveh and preach against it, because its wickedness has come up before me.”

Not for nothing was God going to destroy Nineveh.

Since God's plan all along is to have mercy on those who repent, can it really be said He changed
His mind when they repented? Did He not simply do what is in His nature and character to do?
 
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Cameron143 said:
Sure. If one believes that God changes His mind, then God cannot be omniscient. If He knows everything, He will never have to change His mind. It would also make Him a liar because He says He does not change.
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God's character does not change. But He has changed His mind. Occurrences are recorded in the Bible.

If you take the verse literally, then God is also a source of evil. This would mean He is not holy.
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You said I missed the point of those verses. What was the point?
 
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VARob said:
God's character does not change. But He has changed His mind. Occurrences are recorded in the Bible.


You said I missed the point of those verses. What was the point?
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The character that would be changed is omniscience. He already knew what their response would be. If He actually changed His mind, is He omniscient?
 
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Cameron143 said:
The character that would be changed is omniscience.
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Omniscience is not a character trait.

He already knew what their response would be.
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He already knew what whose response would be? I am referring to Gen 6:6-7. What is the point of those verses?

If He actually changed His mind, is He omniscient?
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Good question...
 
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VARob said:
Omniscience is not a character trait
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In order to describe God's attributes, or characteristics, theologians use
three important terms: omnipotence, omniscience, and omnipresence.
 
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VARob said:
Omniscience is not a character trait.


He already knew what whose response would be? I am referring to Gen 6:6-7. What is the point of those verses?


Good question...
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Omniscience is an immutable attribute of God.
I thought we were talking about the story of Jonah so please forgive my ignorance.
I would need to look at those verses in Genesis 6 to be able to share what I believe God is teaching. Will be glad to get back to you at a future time.
 
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Magenta said:
In order to describe God's attributes, or characteristics, theologians use
three important terms: omnipotence, omniscience, and omnipresence.
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I am aware of the terms theologians use. Thanks.
 
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VARob said:
I am aware of the terms theologians use. Thanks.
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How is it not a character trait of God that He possesses omniscience?

Theologians use those terms because Scripture teaches these things about God.

Those terms and characteristics being: omnipotence, omniscience, and omnipresence.
 
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Cameron143 said:
Omniscience is an immutable attribute of God.
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"Immutable attribute" describes it better than character trait.

I thought we were talking about the story of Jonah so please forgive my ignorance.
I would need to look at those verses in Genesis 6 to be able to share what I believe God is teaching. Will be glad to get back to you at a future time.
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Thanks
 
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rogerg said:
Should we have to "receive" it, or do anything for it, then it can't be grace.
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What do you make of John 1:12?

But to all who did receive Him, to those who believed in His name, He gave the right to become children of God—
 
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VARob said:
"Immutable attribute" describes it better than character trait.
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They are synonymous :oops::rolleyes::oops:

Synonymous: equivalent in meaning; expressing or implying the same idea.
 
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Magenta said:
They are synonymous :oops::rolleyes::oops:
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Debatible.

I am generally kind to animals. That's an element of my character.
Is it an immutable attribute? I don't see it that way.

..maybe it's just semantics. :)

Synonymous: equivalent in meaning; expressing or implying the same idea.
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Yes.
 
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VARob said:
Debatible.

I am generally kind to animals. That's an element of my character.
Is it an immutable attribute? I don't see it that way.

..maybe it's just semantics. :)

Yes.
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I suppose it is debatable for those who are willing to twist, distort, and/or deny word definitions.
 
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Magenta said:
I suppose it is debatable for those who are willing to twist, distort, and/or deny word definitions.
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I have no problem with the definition of synonymous.

You make it difficult to remain civil with you. This has happened more than once.
 
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