If Mary is not the Mother of God, then Jesus Christ her Son is not God.

[Scotth1960]

So what your saying is that before Jesus was Born there was only Two Gods. The father and Holy Spirit. When jesus was born, the dual God became a triune God?

wow!!

No. I am not saying that! Your words are without basis, and nonsense. God the Son has always existed, and will always exist. He became a man in a certain moment in time. Now He is the God-man. There was a time before which He had not yet become a man. But He became a man in time. Your words are wrong. God always was a Triune God. God the Son was not always incarnate. He had to be born in a moment in time, to be a true man. That doesn't mean He wasn't/isn't God the Son. What are you trying so hard to say? Are you saying God cannot be born in a moment in time, because that was prove He did not exist before that moment in time! Your belief is totally illogical!
If God can take on a human nature, He can as God be born as a man at a moment in time. Your view would deny that God can become a man, wouldn't it?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No. I am not saying that! Your words are without basis, and nonsense.

God the Son has a Mother in His humanity.
God the Father and God the Holy Spirit have no mother.
Can't you understand that: God became a man, and as man, God the Son can have a Mother. If Mary is not the Mother of God, then Jesus Christ is not God the Son.

How else would one explain this?? Maybe you need to be more clear Scott.

According to this.

1. God the Father and spirit were forever.
2. God (unknown which one) became man. And this man was the Son. Who was born of Mary

there is no other way to take what you said scott!!

God the Son has always existed, and will always exist.

Yes! Thus he has no mother as he always was!!

He became a man in a certain moment in time. Now He is the God-man. There was a time before which He had not yet become a man. But He became a man in time. Your words are wrong. God always was a Triune God. God the Son was not always incarnate. He had to be born in a moment in time, to be a true man. That doesn't mean He wasn't/isn't God the Son. What are you trying so hard to say? Are you saying God cannot be born in a moment in time, because that was prove He did not exist before that moment in time! Your belief is totally illogical!
If God can take on a human nature, He can as God be born as a man at a moment in time. Your view would deny that God can become a man, wouldn't it?

No Scott. My words are not wrong. I just asked you what you said because as usual you did not make sense.

1. No God can not be born at a moment of time. God is forever, eternal. no begining no end (even scripture says this.) So YOUR BELIEF is not only ILLOGICAL but UNSRIPTURAL)

When God came to earth and entered the FLESH bore by Mary, He took the form of man, set aside his diety. and everythign that came with it. He had to learn. Mary gave him a body. THAT IS ALL!!

No my view does not say that God can not take the form of man. I have said since day one he did. But you can't see what I say, because your stuck in what you have been taught as to who mary is, and as to what everyone who does not agree with you believes. It is called being spoonfed. You believe this. This is what they believe, This is what they will say. This is why they are wrong. So when someone says something other than what you are told they will say, your confused. You say they say things they never said. and say they reject something they never rejected.

This is what is happening. The whole world can see it Scott!! Thats why I talk so much to you. I don't have to think to respond to you. I just let you respond, then show your inconsistencies, and your fabrications of what others say. And then you say I don't believe something. which I have said over and over I do. And everyone gets to see it. Which is a good thing.

 

[ChristianIFB]

Mary cannot be the mother of God since she falls under the category of all things were created by him. For Mary to be the mother of God she would at least have to of been around before the creation since the Bible teaches that Christ was there at the creation. Jesus Christ is 100 percent man and 100 percent God. A God that is not bound by laws such as time, space, or matter came to us in the person of Jesus Christ so that we might know him. This is not that hard to understand even in our simple and foolish minds. Everything about us is inherited. The Bible teaches that all have sinned, it teaches that our depravity is passed on to all of us from the fall of man when Adam and Eve sinned against God. To say that Mary is the mother of God would be a heresy and would be calling the Bible (Gods Word) a liar. There was never a time when Jesus did not exist, his goings forth are from old, from everlasting.
1Ti 2:5 KJV For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

 

[Abiding]

I generally never discuss these subjects, but I have a question, that ive never asked.
Why do they say Mother of God and not Mother of Jesus. To me one is true and the other
makes my head a funny shape.

 

[zone]

I generally never discuss these subjects, but I have a question, that ive never asked.
Why do they say Mother of God and not Mother of Jesus. To me one is true and the other
makes my head a funny shape.

 

[Laodicea]

Matthew 22:45
(45) If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?

The same can be said about Mary

 

[Scotth1960]

How else would one explain this?? Maybe you need to be more clear Scott.

According to this.

1. God the Father and spirit were forever.
2. God (unknown which one) became man. And this man was the Son. Who was born of Mary

there is no other way to take what you said scott!!
Yes! Thus he has no mother as he always was!!



No Scott. My words are not wrong. I just asked you what you said because as usual you did not make sense.

1. No God can not be born at a moment of time. God is forever, eternal. no begining no end (even scripture says this.) So YOUR BELIEF is not only ILLOGICAL but UNSRIPTURAL)

Dear eternallygratefull,
If God can not be born at a moment in time, then Christ is not God. If Christ is not God, then Christ is a liar, for Christ said of Himself, "Except ye believe that I AM He, ye shall die in your sins." Christ said that in the Gospel. And Christ cannot lie, as He is God manifest in the flesh. He was born. He is God. Therefore, God can be born! God the Son that is! That sounds like you are saying Christ can't be born as God, because God can't be born. Yet Saint Paul said, "Jesus Christ is LORD"; and Christ claimed to be God. It is your belief that God the Son cannot be born as God manifest in the flesh that is not only illogical, but anti-scriptural. God bless you and cause you to believe the correct faith (Jude 3). In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington


When God came to earth and entered the FLESH bore by Mary, He took the form of man, set aside his diety. and everythign that came with it. He had to learn. Mary gave him a body. THAT IS ALL!!

No my view does not say that God can not take the form of man. I have said since day one he did. But you can't see what I say, because your stuck in what you have been taught as to who mary is, and as to what everyone who does not agree with you believes. It is called being spoonfed. You believe this. This is what they believe, This is what they will say. This is why they are wrong. So when someone says something other than what you are told they will say, your confused. You say they say things they never said. and say they reject something they never rejected.

This is what is happening. The whole world can see it Scott!! Thats why I talk so much to you. I don't have to think to respond to you. I just let you respond, then show your inconsistencies, and your fabrications of what others say. And then you say I don't believe something. which I have said over and over I do. And everyone gets to see it. Which is a good thing.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Dear eternallygratefull,
If God can not be born at a moment in time, then Christ is not God. If Christ is not God, then Christ is a liar, for Christ said of Himself, "Except ye believe that I AM He, ye shall die in your sins." Christ said that in the Gospel. And Christ cannot lie, as He is God manifest in the flesh. He was born. He is God. Therefore, God can be born! God the Son that is! That sounds like you are saying Christ can't be born as God, because God can't be born. Yet Saint Paul said, "Jesus Christ is LORD"; and Christ claimed to be God. It is your belief that God the Son cannot be born as God manifest in the flesh that is not only illogical, but anti-scriptural. God bless you and cause you to believe the correct faith (Jude 3). In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

God was not born. God came to earth and took the form of man. Unless you believe Christ was NOT before he entered the flesh bore by Mary. Then God was not born.

God is spiritual. You can not look at him as we do humans or flesh. He took the form of flesh. He emptied himself. But you can't see this.

Born means given life. Jesus was not given life, He already had it. He himself gave the flesh bore by Mary life. The flesh was born. The spirit that was God in the begining gave that flesh life. NOT MARY!

 

[SantoSubito]

I generally never discuss these subjects, but I have a question, that ive never asked.
Why do they say Mother of God and not Mother of Jesus. To me one is true and the other
makes my head a funny shape.

Basically it breaks down like this. Jesus is God, Mary gave birth to Jesus, therefore Mary is the Mother of God. Since each person of the Trinity is equally God then this title is accurate. Mother of God (or Theotokos) was officially defined as one of Mary's title because in the 5th Century Nestorius taught "Jesus Christ, who is not identical with the Son but personally united with the Son, who lives in him, is one hypostasis and one nature: human." and used that as a basis for rejecting the title Mother of God.

So while the Trinitarian view taught that "the humanity and divinity (of Christ) are exemplified as two natures and that the one hypostasis of the Logos perfectly subsists in these two natures." The Trinitarian view also maintained that from the moment of conception Christ was both fully God and fully man. Nestorius on the other hand maintained that Christ's divinity descended upon his human body at some other point, which led him to reject Theotokos and advance Christotokos as Mary's title, since she simply gave birth to his human body.

But the reason your average Protestant rejects the title Mother of God is not because of any deep theological disagreement, but usually for the much simpler reason of "it sounds Catholic". That being said none of the Protestants I know, when the reasoning behind the title has been explained, has had an issue with it.

 

[kujo313]

If Mary is not the Mother of God, then Jesus Christ her Son is not God.

I've read what somebody in the RCC says: To deny Mary is to deny Jesus.

Are we forgetting Somebody?

It was through the Holy Spirit that Mary conceived. It was the Holy Spirit that picked a virgin from the Israelites.

With GOD, ALL THINGS are possible. Even the Messiah coming from a young Jewish girl who was like all other people: a sinner in need of a Savior.

Quit looking at things from the human (Mary) point of view and look at it from the Spiritual side.

 

[Digital_Angel_316]

Luke 8:20-21 "And someone said to Him (Jesus), Your mother and your brothers are outside
desiring to see you. But he said to them in answer, my mother and my brothers are those
who have knowledge of the word of God and do it."

.....Mother and Child Worship
Babylon ..... Semiramis ..... Tammuz
Egypt ......... Isis ................. Horus
India ............Isi ................... Iswara
Asia ........... Cybele ............ Deoius
Rome.......... Mary .............. Jesus

 

[Digital_Angel_316]

Basically it breaks down like this. Jesus is God, Mary gave birth to Jesus, therefore Mary is the Mother of God.

Basically it breaks down like this.

John 3:5 - 8
5 Jesus replied, "I assure you, no one can enter the Kingdom of God without being born of
water and the Spirit.
6 Humans can reproduce only human life, but the Holy Spirit gives birth to spiritual life.
7 So don't be surprised when I say, 'You must be born again.'
8 The wind blows wherever it wants. Just as you can hear the wind but can't tell where it
comes from or where it is going, so you can't explain how people are born of the Spirit."

[New Living Translation for simplification]

 

[Scotth1960]

How else would one explain this?? Maybe you need to be more clear Scott.

According to this.

1. God the Father and spirit were forever.
2. God (unknown which one) became man.
Dear eternallygratefull,
No. It is not unknown. God the Son became man. The Word, the Logos, the Son, became man. Don't you read the Bible: John 1:1ff.
The Word became flesh and dwelt among us (human beings), full of grace and of truth. Which person of God became man? God the Son. Are you denying that the Word (John 1:1) became a man? In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington


And this man was the Son. Who was born of Mary

there is no other way to take what you said scott!!
Yes! Thus he has no mother as he always was!!



No Scott. My words are not wrong. I just asked you what you said because as usual you did not make sense.

1. No God can not be born at a moment of time. God is forever, eternal. no begining no end (even scripture says this.) So YOUR BELIEF is not only ILLOGICAL but UNSRIPTURAL)

When God came to earth and entered the FLESH bore by Mary, He took the form of man, set aside his diety.

Dear eternallygratefull, Which Scripture says Christ God the Son "set aside his diety" (that is, Deity)?
That is not in the Bible.
If Christ set aside His Deity, He could not have worked miracles.
Miracles come from God.
Only in the Old Testament did men who were not God work miracles by the power of God, but they didn't work the miracles like Jesus worked. Jesus' miracles were unique. He did greater works than all the prophets of the OT and Moses. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
PS In the OT, the miracles were worked by God Himself; the prophets and Moses' miracles were only with God's help: they themselves didn't cause the miracles: God did. In the NT, Jesus Himself caused the miracles.

and everythign that came with it. He had to learn. Mary gave him a body. THAT IS ALL!!

No my view does not say that God can not take the form of man. I have said since day one he did. But you can't see what I say, because your stuck in what you have been taught as to who mary is, and as to what everyone who does not agree with you believes. It is called being spoonfed. You believe this. This is what they believe, This is what they will say. This is why they are wrong. So when someone says something other than what you are told they will say, your confused. You say they say things they never said. and say they reject something they never rejected.

This is what is happening. The whole world can see it Scott!! Thats why I talk so much to you. I don't have to think to respond to you. I just let you respond, then show your inconsistencies, and your fabrications of what others say. And then you say I don't believe something. which I have said over and over I do. And everyone gets to see it. Which is a good thing.

 

[Scotth1960]

Luke 8:20-21 "And someone said to Him (Jesus), Your mother and your brothers are outside
desiring to see you. But he said to them in answer, my mother and my brothers are those
who have knowledge of the word of God and do it."

.....Mother and Child Worship
Babylon ..... Semiramis ..... Tammuz
Egypt ......... Isis ................. Horus
India ............Isi ................... Iswara
Asia ........... Cybele ............ Deoius
Rome.......... Mary .............. Jesus

Dear friend, It is blasphemy to compare the Blessed Theotokos and Ever-Virgin Mary, to pagan goddess. Mary is not worshipped, nor is she a goddess. She is "blessed among women", and blessed is the fruit of her womb, Jesus. If you do not believe this, this is your problem. Mary is not divine, and she was saved from her sin by Jesus Christ her Son.
She is a creation of God, not a divine being. The Scripture doesn't justify your association of Mary with pagan goddesses. If it were true, every time Mary was mentioned, there would be some mention of those blasphemous goddesses you mention. You need to repent and ask God to forgive you you slander against the Holy Virgin.
And, by the way, the Roman Catholic teaching on the Virgin Mary is not the same as that of the Orthodox Catholic Church. Mary was not conceived without sin, nor is she co-equal with Jesus. That's papist innovation. The immaculate conception of Mary is a Romanist deception. Mary is a creature, not a deity. Whatever is immaculately conceived would be Deity, and only Jesus Christ Himself was immaculately conceived.
God bless you. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
PS I don't see the word "Digital Angel" in the Bible, so your own name is not Biblical. perhaps you should re-name your log in name before you start criticizing the Roman Catholics for their veneration of Mary. Why should we take you seriously when you can't even use your own birth given name your parents gave you?
Men (women) are not angels. We are all flesh and blood. And flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God. We all need to be born again in baptism (Mark 16:16, John 3:3,5,16) by faith in Christ.

 

[SantoSubito]

Luke 8:20-21 "And someone said to Him (Jesus), Your mother and your brothers are outside
desiring to see you. But he said to them in answer, my mother and my brothers are those
who have knowledge of the word of God and do it."

.....Mother and Child Worship
Babylon ..... Semiramis ..... Tammuz
Egypt ......... Isis ................. Horus
India ............Isi ................... Iswara
Asia ........... Cybele ............ Deoius
Rome.......... Mary .............. Jesus

I would take you seriously if you weren't trying to say that just because we use very common mother-infant imagery it somehow makes it pagan. Heck my mother has pictures of her holding me that if you turned them into statue would fit on this list.

John 3:5 - 8
5 Jesus replied, "I assure you, no one can enter the Kingdom of God without being born of
water and the Spirit.
6 Humans can reproduce only human life, but the Holy Spirit gives birth to spiritual life.
7 So don't be surprised when I say, 'You must be born again.'
8 The wind blows wherever it wants. Just as you can hear the wind but can't tell where it
comes from or where it is going, so you can't explain how people are born of the Spirit."

[New Living Translation for simplification]

No ones arguing that Mary created Christ's divinity, so you may want to find another verse (preferably one that wasn't addressed in the other thread).

 

[Digital_Angel_316]

In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
PS I don't see the word "Digital Angel" in the Bible, so your own name is not Biblical. perhaps you should re-name your log in name before you start criticizing the Roman Catholics for their veneration of Mary. Why should we take you seriously when you can't even use your own birth given name your parents gave you?
Men (women) are not angels. We are all flesh and blood. And flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God. We all need to be born again in baptism (Mark 16:16, John 3:3,5,16) by faith in Christ.

Mary Queen of Scott [R. Harrington]

Still promoting the Mithra system Scott -- Jesus nailed Mithra and it's approval to the
cross, - must we persist? The USA for example has a 40 percent illegitimacy rate, and 45
MILLION abortions in just one generation. Who knows how many "single moms" and
women married to men where the children are not of that husband? We must stop approving Scott R. Harrington!

Filoque -- Uncloaked:
* either Homosexual / Celibate - The Son doesn't matter if one is homosexual or celibate.
* or Rasputin / Mithra - The Son doesn't matter in a Mithra, Illegitimacy, Bastard Child
Relationship

For Joseph of Arimethea so loved the world (and all that was in it), that he gave [up] his
only son, so that whoever would believe that Mithra / illegitimacy, Bastardization was
evil, would not perish from [such sin], but could rather have eternal life, [by doing it right,
or not doing it at all]. Paraphase - mine - Digital_Angel_316


PS I don't see the word " Scott R. Harrington" in the Bible, so your own name is not
Biblical. perhaps you should re-name your log in name before you start criticizing ...

The KGB is the head of the Orthodox Church?

 

[Digital_Angel_316]

I would take you seriously if you weren't trying to say that just because we
use very common mother-infant imagery it somehow makes it pagan. Heck my mother has pictures of her
holding me that if you turned them into statue would fit on this list.

It's the imagery of Mithra, secret impregnation, illegitimacy, the bastard child that cannot
be tolerated in the congregation. Here again, we are starting then to speak of ICONS and
SYMBOLS, which we have shown in other threads to be a sign of a cult.

No ones arguing that Mary created Christ's divinity, so you may want to find another verse (preferably
one that wasn't addressed in the other thread).

John 3:5 - 8
5 Jesus replied, "I assure you, no one can enter the Kingdom of God without being born of
water and the Spirit.
6 Humans can reproduce only human life, but the Holy Spirit gives birth to spiritual life.
7 So don't be surprised when I say, 'You must be born again.'
8 The wind blows wherever it wants. Just as you can hear the wind but can't tell where it
comes from or where it is going, so you can't explain how people are born of the Spirit."

[New Living Translation for simplification]

The verse simply is saying, there is no mother. When we are born again, we have a new
mother, mother earth, and a new father, father sky. We go into the womb of the earth, in
a river or other body of water, and come back up under the spirit of the dove that comes
down from the heavens. Dead and buried to the old man, born again to walk anew in the
spirit of God.

 

[SantoSubito]

It's the imagery of Mithra, secret impregnation, illegitimacy, the bastard child that cannot
be tolerated in the congregation. Here again, we are starting then to speak of ICONS and
SYMBOLS, which we have shown in other threads to be a sign of a cult.

Everything has symbols and icons not just cults. Still Mary holding the Infant Jesus does not somehow imply illegitimacy or a bastard child. Nor does it imply an approval of some kind of Mithraic system your proposing.

 

[Digital_Angel_316]

Everything has symbols and icons not just cults. Still Mary holding the Infant
Jesus does not somehow imply illegitimacy or a bastard child. Nor does it imply an approval of some kind
of Mithraic system your proposing.

Let's start over again. A symbol or icon, be it a Creed (the very name being in Latin
SYMBOLum) or a statue, stone, star, cross, flag or any other 'symbol' represents a
deflection from totality or wholism, and represents a call to something relevant or
reminiscent of the symbol. This is a practice that is then by definition "OCCULTIC"
meaning false. Those who practice by the occultic, are called CULTS. The Catholic-Jesuit,
John Roberts, the chief judge, main man, top dog, big kahuna, of the US Legal system is a
SYMBOL or ICON, just as a sports 'star' is an Icon of their particular CRAFT.

False Premise: A Creed is a Doctrine -
* The Nicene Creed (Latin: Symbolum Nicaenum)
* The Noahide Laws - A Noahide Pledge
* The Pledge of Allegiance

A statement such as a 'creed' or the Noahide laws or the pledge of allegiance are a
summary. Sadly this statement does not refer to the Scriptures, an error of Omission. The
Creed becomes an ICON or symbol of a religion or government. These are NOT A
DOCTRINAL STATEMENT!

Like any Icon or Symbol, such a summary can be misleading or confusing (VAGUE). What
about the Pledge of Allegiance, or waving a Flag? -- Mere Symbols or ICONS of
"Something". The dangers of omission and of icons is that other doctrines or laws or
customs or practices are then added to such a thing, so as to distort, corrupt or veil the
truth that is purported to be shown by the Icon. The Flag of the US for example certainly
does not represent the same nation of just 100 years ago. Likewise, corruption, deception
and distortion have crept in to all these churches that use this ICONIC representation.
Abuse in the church, homosexuality, divorce, remarriage, and such other corruptions are
examples of the practices of the modern church.

Outline:

1) Syllogism / False Premise
2) Creed = Symbol, Icon -- Icon = Cult Symbolus/ICON
3) Errors of Omission = Out of Balance, lacking
4) Errors and Omissions = Malpractice
5) [Void for] Vagueness Doctrine
6) Icon - Law - John Roberts, Illegitimacy, Child Trafficing, Supreme Court, Catholic -
Jesuit, Atty General SMITH

1) Syllogism / False Premise

False Premise: A Creed is a Doctrine - The Nicene Creed (Latin: Symbolum Nicaenum)

A syllogism (Greek: συλλογισμός – syllogismos – "conclusion," "inference") or logical
appeal is a kind of logical argument in which one proposition (the conclusion) is inferred
from two others (the premises) of a certain form, i.e. categorical proposition.
Reference (Link): -->> Syllogism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A false premise is an incorrect proposition that forms the basis of a logical syllogism.
Since the premise (proposition, or assumption) is not correct, the conclusion drawn may
be in error.
Reference (Link): -->> False premise - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2) Creed = Symbol, Icon - The Nicene Creed (Latin: Symbolum Nicaenum)
ICON - Part of Speech: noun
Definition: image
Synonyms: figure, graphic image, graphical user interface, idol, ikon, likeness, painted
image, picture, portrait, portrayal, representation, symbol
Reference (Link): -->> Icon Synonyms, Icon Antonyms | Thesaurus.com

There are several designations for the two forms of the Nicene creed, some with
overlapping meanings:

* Icon/Symbol of the Faith is the usual designation for the revised version of
Constantinople 381 in the Orthodox churches, where this is the only creed used in the
liturgy.

The Greek word passed through Latin "symbolum" into English "symbol", which only later
took on the meaning of an outward sign of something.
Reference (Link): -->> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicene_Creed

Iconography: The visual images, symbols, or modes of representation collectively
associated with a person, cult, or movement: "the iconography of pop culture".
Reference (Link): -->> definition of iconography from Oxford Dictionaries Online

3) Errors of omission

Error of Omission - In accounting, an error of omission is when a transaction is completely
omitted from the accounting records. As the debits and credits for the transaction would
balance, omitting it would still leave the totals balanced
Reference (Link): -->> Trial balance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Reference (Link): -->> Doctrinal Statement/Mission Statement

4) Errors and Omissions = Malpractice

errors and omissions n. short-hand for malpractice insurance which gives physicians,
attorneys, architects, accountants and other professionals coverage for claims by
patients and clients for alleged professional errors and omissions which amount to
negligence.
Reference (Link): -->> errors and omissions legal definition of errors and omissions

5) [Void for] Vagueness Doctrine

Definition
1) A constitutional rule that requires criminal laws to state explicitly and definitely what
conduct is punishable. Criminal laws that violate this requirement are said to be void
forvagueness. Vagueness doctrine rests on the due process clauses of the Fifth and
Fourteenth Amendments of the U.S. Constitution. By requiring fair notice of what is
punishable and what is not, vagueness doctrine also helps prevent arbitrary enforcement
of the laws.

2) Under vagueness doctrine, a statute is also void for vagueness if a legislature's
delegation of authority to judges and/or administrators is so extensive that it would lead
to arbitrary prosecutions.
Reference (Link): -->> Vagueness doctrine | LII / Legal Information Institute
Reference (Link): -->> Doctrinal Statement/Mission Statement

6) Icon - Law - John Roberts, U.S. Supreme Court, Catholicism -Jesuits, Illegitimacy, Atty General SMITH, ICONS

* John Roberts is the Chief Judge of the U.S. Supreme Court, the highest judge of the land
* John Roberts is a Catholic, married to a graduate of a Jesuit Institutions (George Town)
* John Roberts has in his house, two adopted children, illegitimate, by two different
mothers, from the island nation of Ireland, laundered to the U.S. by way of South America
* John Roberts first position out of law school was as clerk to then Attorney General
SMITH, in the Reagan Administration
* THIS IS A SYMBOL or ICON of -- MITHRA, ILLEGITIMACY, CHILD TRAFFICING
* THIS IS A SYMBOL or ICON of -- LAW, CATHOLICISM, MITHRA

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Let's start over again. A symbol or icon, be it a Creed (the very name being in Latin
SYMBOLum) or a statue, stone, star, cross, flag or any other 'symbol' represents a
deflection from totality or wholism, and represents a call to something relevant or
reminiscent of the symbol. This is a practice that is then by definition "OCCULTIC"
meaning false. Those who practice by the occultic, are called CULTS. The Catholic-Jesuit,
John Roberts, the chief judge, main man, top dog, big kahuna, of the US Legal system is a
SYMBOL or ICON, just as a sports 'star' is an Icon of their particular CRAFT.

False Premise: A Creed is a Doctrine -
* The Nicene Creed (Latin: Symbolum Nicaenum)
* The Noahide Laws - A Noahide Pledge
* The Pledge of Allegiance

A statement such as a 'creed' or the Noahide laws or the pledge of allegiance are a
summary. Sadly this statement does not refer to the Scriptures, an error of Omission. The
Creed becomes an ICON or symbol of a religion or government. These are NOT A
DOCTRINAL STATEMENT!

Like any Icon or Symbol, such a summary can be misleading or confusing (VAGUE). What
about the Pledge of Allegiance, or waving a Flag? -- Mere Symbols or ICONS of
"Something". The dangers of omission and of icons is that other doctrines or laws or
customs or practices are then added to such a thing, so as to distort, corrupt or veil the
truth that is purported to be shown by the Icon. The Flag of the US for example certainly
does not represent the same nation of just 100 years ago. Likewise, corruption, deception
and distortion have crept in to all these churches that use this ICONIC representation.
Abuse in the church, homosexuality, divorce, remarriage, and such other corruptions are
examples of the practices of the modern church.

Outline:

1) Syllogism / False Premise
2) Creed = Symbol, Icon -- Icon = Cult Symbolus/ICON
3) Errors of Omission = Out of Balance, lacking
4) Errors and Omissions = Malpractice
5) [Void for] Vagueness Doctrine
6) Icon - Law - John Roberts, Illegitimacy, Child Trafficing, Supreme Court, Catholic -
Jesuit, Atty General SMITH

1) Syllogism / False Premise

False Premise: A Creed is a Doctrine - The Nicene Creed (Latin: Symbolum Nicaenum)

A syllogism (Greek: συλλογισμός – syllogismos – "conclusion," "inference") or logical
appeal is a kind of logical argument in which one proposition (the conclusion) is inferred
from two others (the premises) of a certain form, i.e. categorical proposition.
Reference (Link): -->> Syllogism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A false premise is an incorrect proposition that forms the basis of a logical syllogism.
Since the premise (proposition, or assumption) is not correct, the conclusion drawn may
be in error.
Reference (Link): -->> False premise - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2) Creed = Symbol, Icon - The Nicene Creed (Latin: Symbolum Nicaenum)
ICON - Part of Speech: noun
Definition: image
Synonyms: figure, graphic image, graphical user interface, idol, ikon, likeness, painted
image, picture, portrait, portrayal, representation, symbol
Reference (Link): -->> Icon Synonyms, Icon Antonyms | Thesaurus.com

There are several designations for the two forms of the Nicene creed, some with
overlapping meanings:

* Icon/Symbol of the Faith is the usual designation for the revised version of
Constantinople 381 in the Orthodox churches, where this is the only creed used in the
liturgy.

The Greek word passed through Latin "symbolum" into English "symbol", which only later
took on the meaning of an outward sign of something.
Reference (Link): -->> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicene_Creed

Iconography: The visual images, symbols, or modes of representation collectively
associated with a person, cult, or movement: "the iconography of pop culture".
Reference (Link): -->> definition of iconography from Oxford Dictionaries Online

3) Errors of omission

Error of Omission - In accounting, an error of omission is when a transaction is completely
omitted from the accounting records. As the debits and credits for the transaction would
balance, omitting it would still leave the totals balanced
Reference (Link): -->> Trial balance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Reference (Link): -->> Doctrinal Statement/Mission Statement

4) Errors and Omissions = Malpractice

errors and omissions n. short-hand for malpractice insurance which gives physicians,
attorneys, architects, accountants and other professionals coverage for claims by
patients and clients for alleged professional errors and omissions which amount to
negligence.
Reference (Link): -->> errors and omissions legal definition of errors and omissions

5) [Void for] Vagueness Doctrine

Definition
1) A constitutional rule that requires criminal laws to state explicitly and definitely what
conduct is punishable. Criminal laws that violate this requirement are said to be void
forvagueness. Vagueness doctrine rests on the due process clauses of the Fifth and
Fourteenth Amendments of the U.S. Constitution. By requiring fair notice of what is
punishable and what is not, vagueness doctrine also helps prevent arbitrary enforcement
of the laws.

2) Under vagueness doctrine, a statute is also void for vagueness if a legislature's
delegation of authority to judges and/or administrators is so extensive that it would lead
to arbitrary prosecutions.
Reference (Link): -->> Vagueness doctrine | LII / Legal Information Institute
Reference (Link): -->> Doctrinal Statement/Mission Statement

6) Icon - Law - John Roberts, U.S. Supreme Court, Catholicism -Jesuits, Illegitimacy, Atty General SMITH, ICONS

* John Roberts is the Chief Judge of the U.S. Supreme Court, the highest judge of the land
* John Roberts is a Catholic, married to a graduate of a Jesuit Institutions (George Town)
* John Roberts has in his house, two adopted children, illegitimate, by two different
mothers, from the island nation of Ireland, laundered to the U.S. by way of South America
* John Roberts first position out of law school was as clerk to then Attorney General
SMITH, in the Reagan Administration
* THIS IS A SYMBOL or ICON of -- MITHRA, ILLEGITIMACY, CHILD TRAFFICING
* THIS IS A SYMBOL or ICON of -- LAW, CATHOLICISM, MITHRA

I know I have said this before. And I am sure I sount like broken record. But maybe one time someone will see it and maybe it will get them thinking.

This has been a mistake in the past by Gods people. When Israel left Babylon and returned to their land. They too made these things. which later they stated were equal with scripture. As if they were Gods own words. Jesus purposely apposed things, laws written in these books. to show them they were not By God. It is one of the things that caused the Jews to wish him dead. as they thought he blasphemed God by breaking these "man made" laws.

Just like thie "historical traditional and priesthood which could trace all the way back to Moses and Arron, which they claim proved they were right. We have these creeds, or books which they also claimed equal to scripture. Here we are 3000 years later. with the largest church on earth making the same mistake.

You would think we would learn from the mistakes of those before us. But amazingly we keep making the same mistakes. and people keep following them.