Justified/Saved by Faith & Faith Alone

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Cameron143

Cameron143

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Magenta said:
Circumcision of the heart is left out it it often. Isn't that an unfortunate oversight?
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I agree. I equate that with regeneration also. But everyone seems to have some nuance.
 
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John146

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Aussie52 said:
Sorry my friend, I have to disagree.
It is " I live by faith IN the Son of God" NAB.
Faith is not imputed. It is the hand stretched out to receive.
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Christ’s faith justifies the believer.

Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
 
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FlyingDove said:
No & how you gathered that from what I wrote is a mystery to me.
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Sorry brother if I was mistaken. People wrongly misplace James as Christian doctrine instead of doctrine for the twelve tribes during a time of Jacob’s trouble. It is doctrine to one who has to endure like Job.
 
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Aussie52 said:
Christ does not 'believe' for us. Believing is something we do in response to the ministry of the Holy Spirit.
Faith is not the righteousness of God. It is the means of receiving it.
Faith neither produces or provides the righteousness of God.
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Romans 3:
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
 
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John146 said:
Christ’s faith justifies the believer.

Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
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Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith IN Jesus Christ , even when we believed IN Christ Jesus,

that we might be justified by faith IN Jesus Christ etc Gal 2:16 NKJV.

The individual's faith leads to justification.
 
mailmandan

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Aussie52 said:
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith IN Jesus Christ , even when we believed IN Christ Jesus,

that we might be justified by faith IN Jesus Christ etc Gal 2:16 NKJV.

The individual's faith leads to justification.
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1 Peter 1:9 - receiving the end of YOUR faith—the salvation of your souls.
 
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John146 said:
Romans 3:
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
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Rom 3:22 Even the righteousness of God through faith IN Jesus Christ. NKJV

You need to get a more accurate Bible translation.
 
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John146

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Aussie52 said:
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith IN Jesus Christ , even when we believed IN Christ Jesus,

that we might be justified by faith IN Jesus Christ etc Gal 2:16 NKJV.

The individual's faith leads to justification.
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You need a King James Bible.
 
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John146

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Aussie52 said:
Rom 3:22 Even the righteousness of God through faith IN Jesus Christ. NKJV

You need to get a more accurate Bible translation.
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Christ had perfect faith, always doing the will of the Father, from start to finish. That’s the righteousness of God on display…but now. Christ’s faith never wavered.
 
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mailmandan said:
Whether to God or to others or both, regardless, his faith was demonstrated. You make this out to be much more complicated than it really is. In Matthew 12:37, Jesus said by your words you will be justified and by your words you will be condemned. This is because our words reveal our heart condition.
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Words are evidences (FOR OR AGAINST) having faith in Jesus or a lack of faith.

Luke 23:39 - Then one of the criminals who were hanged blasphemed Him, saying, "If You are the Christ, save Yourself and us." - by your words you will be condemned.

Luke 23:40-42 - But the other, answering, rebuked him, saying, "Do you not even fear God, seeing you are under the same condemnation? And we indeed justly, for we receive the due reward of our deeds; but this Man has done nothing wrong." Then he said to Jesus, "Lord, remember me when You come into Your kingdom." - by your words you will be justified.
 
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Cameron143 said:
How can the righteousness that comes from God be divorced from the faith of Christ? If it's not His faith, how is it the righteousness of God? Does your faith produce or provide the righteousness of God?
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How can Christ's faith be you saying Yes to God.

We are saved because we repent, and like the people of Israel when Moses lifted the serpent. We looked up in faith to Christ.

Christ did not do that for us. we have to do that ourself
 
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Cameron143 said:
I guess what I'm asking is this: how is it that a Christian who possesses the Holy Spirit can do nothing apart from Christ, but a non-Christian lacking the Holy Spirit can?
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what is he doing?
 
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Aussie52 said:
Prevenient (or Enabling) Grace. God comes a frees the will so it can trust in the merits of Christ's death.
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God does not remove free will. nor does he change it, he can do things to help someone see him and change. But he will not alter his free will
 
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Runningman said:
James 2 really should put an end to all debate. Neatly tying together all of the misunderstandings about faith and works, but mostly it doesn't for certain groups. It isn't compatible with the "faith alone" doctrine and James almost wasn't included in the modern canonized New Testament.
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that would be true, except wqe also have romans 4, Eph 2, titus 3: 5 which taken in the context of your interpretation of james, makes the bible contradict itself..

You have 1 passage. far to many other passages say the opposite.. Or your interpretation of your 1 passage is in error
 
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Everlasting-Grace said:
that would be true, except wqe also have romans 4, Eph 2, titus 3: 5 which taken in the context of your interpretation of james, makes the bible contradict itself..

You have 1 passage. far to many other passages say the opposite.. Or your interpretation of your 1 passage is in error
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Rightly divides the audiences puts an end to any so called contradictions. God's directions have changed throughout the course of human history. Consider the audience in James, the twelve tribes. This is not the body of Christ.
 
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Everlasting-Grace said:
that would be true, except wqe also have romans 4, Eph 2, titus 3: 5 which taken in the context of your interpretation of james, makes the bible contradict itself..

You have 1 passage. far to many other passages say the opposite.. Or your interpretation of your 1 passage is in error
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Faith and works is Biblical from Genesis to Revelation and they’re plainly required. You’re free to reject that if you wish. As far as the Bible is concerned, you and I live in two different worlds.
 
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