Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked
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Very interesting with one slight flaw: I never said that He died for the saved, I said He died for the elect -
those chosen, who throughout time, WILL become saved BY His death and not by anything they may do.
So, your attachment from Romans 5, fits perfectly. The elect aren't the saved, and are of the ungodly until they're saved.
those chosen, who throughout time, WILL become saved BY His death and not by anything they may do.
So, your attachment from Romans 5, fits perfectly. The elect aren't the saved, and are of the ungodly until they're saved.
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The fact of God's LOVE for the world, LOVE for the ungodly, LOVE for sinners has been demonstrated to all of creation in the sacrifice of the only and beloved Son of God at the cross. This magnificent demonstration will be sung about in praises by angels, the host of heaven, and Saints, and be acknowledged by Satan, demons and damned souls of men......perpetually forever and ever.
This vast, unparalleled, never to be repeated demonstration of loving grace and mercy has settled FOR ALL ETERNITY the question of whether God is a God of love or a cruel despot.
The crucifixion also refutes and settles, once and for all, this very same slander that Satan has propagated since the fall: that God is NOT a God of love but a hateful cruel King. A slander that continues to this present day.
I wonder....does @rogerg realize that he is approving, agreeing with and propagating the slander of Satan against the Father? For he is declaring that God HATES the ungodly and HATES the sinner and HATES the world.
Somebody inform this person of their woeful folly.
This vast, unparalleled, never to be repeated demonstration of loving grace and mercy has settled FOR ALL ETERNITY the question of whether God is a God of love or a cruel despot.
The crucifixion also refutes and settles, once and for all, this very same slander that Satan has propagated since the fall: that God is NOT a God of love but a hateful cruel King. A slander that continues to this present day.
I wonder....does @rogerg realize that he is approving, agreeing with and propagating the slander of Satan against the Father? For he is declaring that God HATES the ungodly and HATES the sinner and HATES the world.
Somebody inform this person of their woeful folly.
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God hates everyone not justified by Christ and His wrath abides upon them.
wrath:
[Rom 1:18 KJV] 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
[Eph 5:6 KJV] 6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
[Col 3:6 KJV] 6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
wrath:
- anger, the natural disposition, temper, character
- movement or agitation of the soul, impulse, desire, any violent emotion, but esp. anger
- anger, wrath, indignation
- anger exhibited in punishment, hence used for punishment itself
- of punishments inflicted by magistrates
[Rom 1:18 KJV] 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
[Eph 5:6 KJV] 6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
[Col 3:6 KJV] 6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
The Bible clearly states Jesus DIED FOR THE UNGODLY!
That means those who are Saved and those who will never be Saved were both and are the UNGODLY!
ULTIMATELY, the UNGODLY means Jesus DIED FOR EVERYONE AS IN EVERY HUMAN BEING EVER.
So if someone claims Jesus only died for the Saved, that person is full of Satan!
Because Romans 5 clearly is the HOLY SPIRIT saying God died for EVERY HUMAN BEING EVER!!
That means those who are Saved and those who will never be Saved were both and are the UNGODLY!
ULTIMATELY, the UNGODLY means Jesus DIED FOR EVERYONE AS IN EVERY HUMAN BEING EVER.
So if someone claims Jesus only died for the Saved, that person is full of Satan!
Because Romans 5 clearly is the HOLY SPIRIT saying God died for EVERY HUMAN BEING EVER!!
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Once justified/saved by Christ, they become a new person in Christ and no longer of the ungodly. Only the
unsaved remain of the ungodly but that doesn't mean they all will be saved.
Your logic is messed-up. Because Jesus died for some of the ungodly, does also not dictate that He died for all of the ungodly. You are making your own assumption about that, and it is illogical and doesn't exist. If Christ died for everyone, then
everyone must become saved and would demonstrate that salvation by coming to faith in Christ - but not all can or will, otherwise,
the wrath of God wouldn't/couldn't abide upon them but it does.
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