Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

[Runningman]

You are watering down the law

You are saying I can fall short of the law. yet still be saved.

which will be the fact of every person who is saved. because no one can keep the law

then claim it is a requirment

well your condemning yourself and everyone.

We are talking about two different things at this point. I don’t care about the Law of Moses. I’m talking about the law of Christ, obeying his teachings.

let’s see you come right out and say it. You think disobeying Jesus is an acceptable lifestyle for a Christian don’t you? I think you can say that here without worry if the moderator will care so feel free to just be open about it.

 

[Cameron143]

Totally confused with your post.

I believe the following.

John 3:16-18
16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

The sins of the world were paid on the cross when Jesus said

John 19:30
30 So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.

Then

Matthew 27:51
51 Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split,

At this point everyone has access to the Father through our faith in Jesus when we repent of the sin of unbelief in him.

Romans 5:1-2

Faith Triumphs in Trouble
1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

The sin of unbelief has been paid for but Jesus says that we must repent of that sin.
If we do not then we are not saved.

Only that sin? Is it only the sin of unbelief that merits hell? Or does any sin merit hell?

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

That's not unpardonable sin but it does explain alot. Blessings.

Mark 3:29

but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation” —

there is why people go to hell

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

We are talking about two different things at this point. I don’t care about the Law of Moses. I’m talking about the law of Christ, obeying his teachings.

let’s see you come right out and say it. You think disobeying Jesus is an acceptable lifestyle for a Christian don’t you? I think you can say that here without worry if the moderator will care so feel free to just be open about it.

it does not matter

you can't tell people they are required to obey, yet water down the law and say they are ok.

there is law and grace. there is no other option.

By saying people MUST obey , you are putting them under law..

 

[Blain]

Brother I don't mean to come across as obnoxious. I have grown up in the church, I have spent years in evangelism. I think we both have the same heart in that area. I think you'd agree it's a lot different sharing the Gospel here and going out on the street and sharing the Gospel. And it is the most important job we do as a Christian. A group that sings a song " I catch 'em, He cleans 'em" in reference to us being fishers of men. I really like that. That's the only type of fishing I know how to do. lol I have fellowshipped with Christians of every denomination and have found unity on some level with each. I hope that can happen at CC too. I appreciate each one, you have made me dig deeper, study and read more in the Word, in a way, God has used you all. So whatever I think I you all, I thank my God. Blessings!

I actually have never had the chance to go to the streets and preach the kingdom but I wasn't ready at the time I wasn't well equipped
Even now I doubt I am ready because I am still not equipped. When I get out there I am bringing it hard and heavyim not planning on teaching the scriptures im going to prove them. This world has become so lost in the depths of the swampt that it's going to take the radical it's going to take those who when they see the impossinle their like Jesus is going to stomp that down in three two one... But even though I am growing in a new way of living being for the kingdom and declaring I would bring the kingdom here I have not yet recieved the anointing of the holy spirit and my circumstances keep me here trapped in my apartment but when I am ready for the anointing things are going to get weird people will not understand how reality works anymore.

I am guessing I haven't recieved it yet because im still in training but then again I don't know how it works to recieve that kind of anointing
And I am so glad that what I posted briught you deeper into the kingdom, I honestly cannot take any credit because I don't think before I write I told God if I am to speak it has to be his words because only his words have life and power in them if I utter a breath it is just useless garbage noise and static it's useless.

So some might say this is dangerous for several reasons but to me it kind of seems like the ultimate trust in him.

I mean can you imagine the embarrasment of going around saying the things I have said only to find they were just ramblings of the flesh?

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Only that sin? Is it only the sin of unbelief that merits hell? Or does any sin merit hell?

all sin merits hell

but Christ paid for all sin.

so no one will go to hell based on the fact they just sinned..

They are tried for their works. not their sins.. they are condemned because they did not believe

 

[ButterflyJones]

No, one is a dream, it's describing a dream. That is not the same as the statement that God is Savior of all.

If God were the savior of all 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9 would not be taught us by Christ through his apostle Paul.

4 Therefore, among God’s churches we boast about your perseverance and faith in all the persecutions and trials you are enduring.
5 All this is evidence that God’s judgment is right, and as a result you will be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you are suffering. 6 God is just: He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you 7 and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire with his powerful angels. 8 He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9 They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might 10 on the day he comes to be glorified in his holy people and to be marveled at among all those who have believed. This includes you, because you believed our testimony to you.

And Jesus would not have told us we cannot understand his gospel unless or until the Holy Spirit changes our mind, regenerates our consciousness from that dead in sin natural carnal focus, so to then understand the things of God.

Which is also why we're told those regenerated and reborn in Christ through that grace of God know no sin. Because, ""Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him."


That is why the idea eternal salvation, OSAS, is license to sin is a lie.
"The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work." 1 John 3:8

 

[rogerg]

Only that sin? Is it only the sin of unbelief that merits hell? Or does any sin merit hell?

Question: can someone be sent to hell if their sins have been paid, or, do you think all of them haven't been paid by Christ?

 

[Cameron143]

Mark 3:29

but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation” —

there is why people go to hell

Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is crediting His work to Satan.
At any rate, thanks for sharing. Grace and peace.

 

[Cameron143]

Question: can someone be sent to hell if their sins have been paid, or, do you think all of them haven't been paid by Christ?

My answer is the same as yours, but if people can't discern the difference between fairness and justice, explaining the above is a pipe dream.

 

[rogerg]

My answer is the same as yours, but if people can't discern the difference between fairness and justice, explaining the above is a pipe dream.

Okay

 

[BillG]

Only that sin? Is it only the sin of unbelief that merits hell? Or does any sin merit hell?

All sin merits hell but Jesus paid the price for sin.

Reject the Holy Spirit conviction/convincing of unbelief in Jesus for the forgiveness then the price paid is not appropriated to you.

 

[Cameron143]

all sin merits hell

but Christ paid for all sin.

so no one will go to hell based on the fact they just sinned..

They are tried for their works. not their sins.. they are condemned because they did not believe

We're going in circles. You said all sin is paid for. You said unbelief is a sin. The logical conclusion is that unbelief has been paid for.
Now you say any sin merits hell. But haven't all sins been paid for?

So you are in essence saying that God sends people to hell for a sin He has paid for.

 

[Cameron143]

All sin merits hell but Jesus paid the price for sin.

Reject the Holy Spirit conviction/convincing of unbelief in Jesus for the forgiveness then the price paid is not appropriated to you.

See post 5133.

 

[Blain]

We're going in circles. You said all sin is paid for. You said unbelief is a sin. The logical conclusion is that unbelief has been paid for.
Now you say any sin merits hell. But haven't all sins been paid for?

So you are in essence saying that God sends people to hell for a sin He has paid for.

you know there is one sin that is unforgivable do you recall what that is?

 

[BillG]

See post 5133.

Read it.

I can't get what you are trying to convey.

Can you please try to explain it to me like I am a 5 year old?

What is your main point?

I'm not sure if you are trying to prove a point or reject a point.

 

[Blain]

Read it.

I can't get what you are trying to convey.

Can you please try to explain it to me like I am a 5 year old?

What is your main point?

kind of out of the blue here but I just saw the prayer you have on your signiture about Asking God to make you the man your dog thinks you are that is the best right there I love it.

 

[rogerg]

Read the Chapter, it will still be the same. Christ is Savior of all.

You're reminding me of the movie Beethoven from quite a few years back where the king told Beethoven's competitor his song had too many notes in it and to take some out. But the competitor said, no, it has just the right number of notes in it.
You're saying the same thing, that Bible has too many verses in it, and some of them should be discarded because you think they're not needed, is that it?

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is crediting His work to Satan.
At any rate, thanks for sharing. Grace and peace.

All sin will be forgiven men, thats what I read, not might be, will be and all men.

Are you sure what that is what blasphemy of the spirit is? ir were by calling the work of the spirit the work of satan, were they not unbelieving in the work of the spirit

 

[Cameron143]

you know there is one sin that is unforgivable do you recall what that is?

Yes. It's blasphemy against the Holy Spirit