Christian Tithe?

[Underwhosewings]

Tithe:
A pattern for giving in the OT.
Not stated as an obligation in the NT.

I like what D. Jackman said on this:
"The NT emphasis on generous giving, militates against the idea of a percentage levy. Since some would be able to give far more than 10%, and some, for a time, may not even be able to give that."

The NT does not lay down the principle of the tithe.
Neither, does it set it aside, specifically.

1 Cor. 15:58
Therefore my dear brothers, stand firm. Let nothing move you. Always give yourselves fully to the work of the Lord, because you know that your labor in the Lord is not in vain.

After Paul's SPECTACULAR chapter on the resurrection(1 Cor.15), he then directly brings us down to practical administration in ch. 16.
It is a matter of some significance and concern. The collection. Or offering. A MECHANISM, used to help the poor back in Jerusalem.

I believe, that it's not unreasonable to assume that the NT presupposes that the giving of God's people would be more than equal to the standard pattern used under the old covenant.
Forget the word tithe(tenth).

Do you not see a continual thread throughout God's word that speaks to regularity in our giving? Do you not think we should give regularly and proportionally?

I pray the good Lord bless us in His will.



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After reading this, I am reminded of ….
Exodus 36:5-6 KJV
And they spake unto Moses, saying, The people bring much more than enough for the service of the work, which the Lord commanded to make. [6] And Moses gave commandment, and they caused it to be proclaimed throughout the camp, saying, Let neither man nor woman make any more work for the offering of the sanctuary. So the people were restrained from bringing.

Also this…..

Philippians 2:27-30 KJV
For indeed he was sick nigh unto death: but God had mercy on him; and not on him only, but on me also, lest I should have sorrow upon sorrow. [28] I sent him therefore the more carefully, that, when ye see him again, ye may rejoice, and that I may be the less sorrowful. [29] Receive him therefore in the Lord with all gladness; and hold such in reputation: [30] Because for the work of Christ he was nigh unto death, not regarding his life, to supply your lack of service toward me.

 

[Underwhosewings]

He doesn't require us to throw ourselves into the fire, He loves us and wants the best for us.

See how they gave in the House of God. No self preservation!
Totally given.
Laid even their life down.
Philippians 2:27-30 KJV
For indeed he was sick nigh unto death: but God had mercy on him; and not on him only, but on me also, lest I should have sorrow upon sorrow.
[28] I sent him therefore the more carefully, that, when ye see him again, ye may rejoice, and that I may be the less sorrowful.
[29] Receive him therefore in the Lord with all gladness; and hold such in reputation:
[30] Because for the work of Christ he was nigh unto death, not regarding his life, to supply your lack of service toward me.

 

[Underwhosewings]

Christian tithe?
Whatever capacity God has given us.
Just don’t do what Ananias and Sapphira did. Nobody asked anything of them.
(Acts 5:4 KJV
Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.)

Matthew 10:8,10 KJV
Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give. [10] Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat.

 

[shittim]

Philippians 2:27-30 KJV
: but God had mercy on him;
As an aside- I have seen very positive results from praying "Jesus, though Son of David, have mercy on me". Including heart arrhythmias .

 

[mailmandan]

I once temporarily attended a church in which the new Pastor there handed out pledge cards for people to fill out so they can pledge to give extra money on a monthly basis over a three year period above and beyond 10% directly to the "moving forward" project to build a new mega church (that they didn't really need) and to this day never built. This new Pastor was obsessed with building a mega church!

Now more than a few people left that church because all that new Pastor mainly talked about was money (primarily the 10% tithe) and building that new mega church and he was always trying to guilt people into giving 10%. He would present pictures on the screen in which a man was lying down on a balance beam with his arms and legs wrapped around it, stating that he will tithe 2%, but not 10%.

During one sermon, this new Pastor even mentioned that a member of the church came into his office one day, somewhat irate and said that he is leaving that church because he is tired of hearing about money all the time and he needs to find a different church where he can go "deeper in the Word." The Pastor mentioned to the congregation that the word "deeper" is a code word for "I'm not tithing 10%."

That new Pastor went on to say that he checked the records and sure enough that member of the church was not giving 10% and some months gave nothing at all and then acted like, "good riddance to him!"

My wife and I left that church after that sermon and never looked back.

 

[shittim]

Make sure you do as He directs, and I believe you were not the only ones in that congregation and not to be lightly considered.
He puts us in places to be His hands and feet, sometimes it may be to kindly demonstrate our commitment to our Lord to demonstrate this to a pastor or church that is way ward.
Thankfully it is such a hard decision it will not be taken lightly.

 

[Lanolin]

why do people need one big mega church when theres heaps of churches around? I dont get it.

 

[shittim]

Because we have been mislead and mistaken that He is there?.

 

[hornetguy]

why do people need one big mega church when theres heaps of churches around? I dont get it.

For a lot of people, it is because they can get lost in the crowd... no commitment required. Show up, enjoy, go home. No participation required.

 

[Lanolin]

For a lot of people, it is because they can get lost in the crowd... no commitment required. Show up, enjoy, go home. No participation required.

then why even bother going? I could watch mega church on tv.

 

[Lanolin]

Jesus came to save you, not so you can get lost.

Also, I guess its nice for the people who have a home. A lot dont have their own homes and are just living wherever. Homes now being super expensive to own. So I guess it does make sense to have church in a huge industrial warehouse windowless building right?

 

[melchizedekau]

The second year after the exodus, God introduced the law of tithing into the economy of Israel. It was included with other laws connected with Israel’s worship via the Tabernacle. The chief purpose of the tithe was to provide for the Levitical service of the Tabernacle. “Behold, I have given the children of Levi all the tenth in Israel for an inheritance, for their service which they serve, even the service of the tabernacle of the congregation” (Num 18:21).

The Levites, in turn, were to give a tithe of their income to provide for the high priest. “Thus ye also shall offer a heave offering unto the LORD of all your tithes, which ye receive of the children of Israel; and ye shall give thereof the LORD'S heave offering to Aaron the priest” (Num 18:28).

The tithe consisted of the products of the land, the trees and the flocks. “And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD'S: it is holy unto the LORD.” “And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the LORD” (Lev 27:30, 32).

The law of tithing continued up to the Cross. “Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law” (Mat 23:23). “The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God … I give tithes of all I possess” (Luk 18:11, 12).

The only ones ever authorized to receive tithes were the Levites. Ever since the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD, it has been impossible to keep the tithing law. Today, Orthodox Jews do not tithe. No one is qualified to receive tithes now that the priesthood and temple are gone.

What of the Christian’s giving? Most consider the OT tithe as a guide line (which is ok if that’s what you want to give because now there is no set limit on giving—NC). But the NT lays down no specifics whatsoever as to giving. The believer is under no external law for any part of his new life. As in every other aspect of his life, the believer is motivated and guided in his giving by the indwelling Holy Spirit. “For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.” (Ro 8:2).

Our giving is to be governed by grace; it is a gift of the Spirit. “Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us … he that giveth, let him do it with liberality” (Ro 12:6, 8). “Therefore, as ye abound in everything, in faith, and utterance, and knowledge, and in all diligence, and in your love to us, see that ye abound in this grace (of giving) also.” (2Co 8:7).

The Lord Jesus Christ is our Life (Col 3:4), and we belong to Him—all that we are, and all the He has entrusted to us. Not even our human concern and emotions are to motivate and govern our giving.

By His Spirit, the Lord Jesus is to direct our entire life, including our giving. It is to be the “love of Christ that constraineth us” (2Co 5:14). It is to be the Lord Jesus reaching out and meeting the needs of others through us—His love alone is the governing principle. “Though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not (His) love, it profiteth me nothing” (1Co 13:3).

Spirit-directed giving requires spiritual growth. The privilege of sharing, and the responsibility of proper giving, is best carried out on a personal, individual basis. Know to whom you are giving, why, when and how much. In giving to a specific ministry, for instance, it is essential to find out about the work, and those who administer it. Develop a personal relationship where possible.

If the Father has established a ministry and is pleased with the fruit of it, He will move upon the hearts and minds of His people for that work without any pleading, subtle or otherwise, for money. He will cause and enable His people to give specifically and spontaneously.

Instead of heeding the pleas of men for support and dutifully or emotionally contributing out of necessity, we are to listen to the still, small voice from within. We are to hear the voice of the Good Shepherd, and follow where He directs—and He it is who has promised to care for His needy sheep.

In reliance upon and obedience in Him, we will know how to give; not in response to a plea, but by the Spirit’s direction in our minds and hearts. “Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these My brethren, ye have done it unto Me” (Mat 25:40).

“But this I say, He who soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully. Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work. As it is written, He hath dispersed abroad; He hath given to the poor: His righteousness remaineth forever” (2Co 9:7-9).


—Miles J Stanford





MJS daily devotional excerpt for Feb 8

“By the daily ‘supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ’ (Phil. 1:19), the believer united to his Risen Lord ‘grows continually to a more perfect knowledge and likeness of his Creator,’ and grows up ‘after the image of Him that created him, in the sphere where ‘Christ is all, and in all.’ “The child naturally grows up in the likeness of his father, and the new life communicated to the redeemed grows up in the likeness of Him who is the Creator of the new creation if so be that the death with Christ is unflinchingly recognized, and ‘old things’ are truly allowed to pass away to make room for the growth of the new man ‘which is after God . . . created in righteousness, and holiness of truth’ (Eph. 4:24).”

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if you HAVE to tythe then you have to keep the sabbath.

 

[NetChaplain]

if you HAVE to tythe then you have to keep the sabbath.

Tithing was not part of the Decalogue but it was part of the Law for the priesthood. But now the Law has "passed" and the new covenant has come, so there is no required tithe, but one can give a tithe if they desire, for we are to give "according as we purpose" ( 2Co 9:7 ).

 

[Evmur]

No, he did not. You are his accomplice in robbing God, and are as guilty, and the curse also rests upon you and your household.

Read Hebrews 7 again.

Joh_8:39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.​

Christ Jesus is our Melchizedec, and we are to be the true children of Abraham, the children of faith and return to Christ Jesus the tithe in faith.

If you cannot understand Hebrews 7, then you need to go back to the basics.

There are numerous texts in the NT, in the NC that refer to the Tithe. Malachi 3:1 and context is not OC. It is NC.

Mal 3:1 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.​

You are deceived, and a thief. This is simply identifying what you (and the so-called 'chaplain') are. I didn't define it, God did. It's right there in Malachi 3 - thief. If you don't like that, then repent, thief, and give back to God what is His by creation and redemption, and you will go from thief, to servant.

Need more NT on Tithe, simply turn to 1 Cor. 9; 1 Tim 5:18, etc. There are about 9 arguments on it, by Paul, even as the argument was in Hebrews, by Paul, by the Holy Ghost. If you do not know Hebrews is by Paul, then you are not listening to the Holy Ghost as you read it, and compare it to all that Paul wrote besides it. I base nothing on tradition. It is based upon the Holy Ghost and His instruction.

Therefore, go and learn what / who tithe really is, and cease to rob God of Glory and righteousness. You both have been faithfully warned. Who hath bewitched you?

You need to take the law out of it ... we are redeemed from the curse of the law ... that means there are no consequences.

We give because we love. It's the GRACE principle.