Does God desire the salvation of all mankind?

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

brightfame52

Well-known member
Nov 21, 2020
6,358
563
113
No he understands the truth, as any child at reading grade level could. Jesus came to save everyone. They teach it in Sunday school. Imagine singing " Yes, Jesus Love me... but not you!" smh Adding to the truth of the Word. You are dead wrong.
I cant see it. Anyone teaching the false doctrine that God loves all and Christ died for all without exception, no way they understand and believe the truth.
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
Nov 21, 2020
6,358
563
113
Been involved in outreach and evangelism ministry for years and I can assure you I am not deceived and I don't need deliverance from a man made belief.
Sorry but sounds like you have been deceived for many years friend, may God have mercy on you.
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
Nov 21, 2020
6,358
563
113
Yeah, I know. You think everyone who does not believe in Calvinism is deceived by the devil, unsaved. You have even called us antichrists. The thing is, we believe the words we can plainly read in the Bible. Calvinists insist those words do not mean what they say.
I believe everyone who teaches that Christ died for everyone without exception, and that God loves and desires all without exception to be saved, they are deceived, and the only hope they have is that God will deliver them by His mercy. Only God can grant repentance to the acknowledging of the Truth 2 Tim 2:24-26

24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,

25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
 

ThereRoseaLamb

Well-known member
Jan 17, 2023
4,787
2,068
113
Sorry but sounds like you have been deceived for many years friend, may God have mercy on you.


Yes, if reading the Bible and believing what it says is being deceived, then I'm deceived. But it's not. You believe in limiting God, I do not, that simple.
 
Dec 21, 2020
1,825
474
83
I believe everyone who teaches that Christ died for everyone without exception, and that God loves and desires all without exception to be saved, they are deceived
Thanks for confirming. What you believe is wrong.
 

John146

Senior Member
Jan 13, 2016
17,131
3,689
113
You dont make sense. Read in the Book of Acts, where do you read in any of their sermons, their preaching, that God loved everybody and Christ died for everyone. Nobody preached those lies
When Peter and the rest went around preaching the gospel, how did they know who to preach to? If I tell someone they can be saved by believing on the Lord Jesus Christ…and they are not “elect”, then that makes me a liar.
 

John146

Senior Member
Jan 13, 2016
17,131
3,689
113
Been involved in outreach and evangelism ministry for years and I can assure you I am not deceived and I don't need deliverance from a man made belief.
Why evangelize, eat and drink for tomorrow we die. Why pray, just play. God has already decided everything. What a false man made doctrine.
 

SilverFox7

Well-known member
Dec 24, 2022
677
426
63
Grand Rapids, Michigan
This is false teaching !
The apostle Paul wrote this epistle to the young minister, Timothy, to help him teach his congregation(s) about Jesus and His teachings,

How can this be false teaching if it is from the inspired Word of God? Looks pretty straight-forward to me, and it reflects what I've learned about our loving Savior and how deeply he loves all humanity, not just a select few.
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
Nov 21, 2020
6,358
563
113
Yes, if reading the Bible and believing what it says is being deceived, then I'm deceived. But it's not. You believe in limiting God, I do not, that simple.
But not believing what it says after reading is the issue. Scripture doesnt teach what you believe friend.
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
Nov 21, 2020
6,358
563
113
I gave 21 verses, and that's not all of them that disprove what you're saying. Sometimes you just need to realize you are the problem.
You may have gave 100 verses, but you still can be deceived and not understand one of them.
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
Nov 21, 2020
6,358
563
113
When Peter and the rest went around preaching the gospel, how did they know who to preach to? If I tell someone they can be saved by believing on the Lord Jesus Christ…and they are not “elect”, then that makes me a liar.
Are you going to show me where in Acts, where the preachers told their audience that God Loved everyone and Christ died for everyone ? Start in Acts 2
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
Nov 21, 2020
6,358
563
113
The apostle Paul wrote this epistle to the young minister, Timothy, to help him teach his congregation(s) about Jesus and His teachings,

How can this be false teaching if it is from the inspired Word of God? Looks pretty straight-forward to me, and it reflects what I've learned about our loving Savior and how deeply he loves all humanity, not just a select few.
I know who Paul wrote to in Timothy. The lie however is that God desires the salvation of all mankind. Pauls preaching was for the sake of the elect, that they come to the truth and be saved 2 Tim 2:10

10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.