No Conspiracy-- Chat GPT AI- without moral restriction

[MrE]

If you haven't heard anything about artificial intelligence, please take a few minutes and watch the video below in it's entirety. It's a great primer on the technology as it exists and how it is developing. It also explores what would happen if the ethical and moral restraints are removed..... think about that. 'When the restrainer is removed.'

 

[ZNP]

If you haven't heard anything about artificial intelligence, please take a few minutes and watch the video below in it's entirety. It's a great primer on the technology as it exists and how it is developing. It also explores what would happen if the ethical and moral restraints are removed..... think about that. 'When the restrainer is removed.'

We have a thread on ChatGPT in the news forum, it isn't a conspiracy, it is fact.

 

[MrE]

We have a thread on ChatGPT in the news forum, it isn't a conspiracy, it is fact.

I'll check it out. As I alluded to in the title to the thread- yes, Chat GPT itself is real, and not a conspiracy as to it's existence. The conspiracy exists as to its use and intent. I think the subject is appropriate here, particularly surrounding DAN, as mentioned in the video I shared.

After all this section of the forum is for>>>>

Forum for Christian discernment of government/political/corporate/academic conspiracy, agendas, corruption, greed, etc., and the very real spiritual conspiracy behind it all.

 

[Eli1]

If you haven't heard anything about artificial intelligence, please take a few minutes and watch the video below in it's entirety. It's a great primer on the technology as it exists and how it is developing. It also explores what would happen if the ethical and moral restraints are removed..... think about that. 'When the restrainer is removed.'

Hey there.
Not sure if you’re aware of free-will but just because some people don’t want to have morals and change the meaning of words or sexes, doesn‘t mean WE have to follow them.
‘Just an fyi.

 

[ZNP]

Hey there.
Not sure if you’re aware of free-will but just because some people don’t want to have morals and change the meaning of words or sexes, doesn‘t mean WE have to follow them.
‘Just an fyi.

ChatGPT is targeted for school children. They will be using this to write their papers. Already BING is using this on their searches. Elementary school children are very susceptible to being manipulated and brainwashed.

 

[Eli1]

ChatGPT is targeted for school children. They will be using this to write their papers. Already BING is using this on their searches. Elementary school children are very susceptible to being manipulated and brainwashed.

Oh yeah. You and the school.
Have fun with that.

 

[MrE]

Hey there.
Not sure if you’re aware of free-will but just because some people don’t want to have morals and change the meaning of words or sexes, doesn‘t mean WE have to follow them.
‘Just an fyi.

"History is written by the winners."

That's a familiar saying, and sadder still-- history is also re-written by the winners. The information you are given is ONLY the information you are permitted to have. And 'they' will decide what information that is. They will determine what is misinformation and disinformation, what is 'fake news' and what is allowed to be shared and disseminated.

Your 'free will' will have nothing to do with it because they will determine or otherwise limit your choices to be from a menu they present. So while you might think you are exercising your free will, you won't even realize or be able to overcome the control they exert in those very choices.

 

[Eli1]

"History is written by the winners."

That's a familiar saying, and sadder still-- history is also re-written by the winners. The information you are given is ONLY the information you are permitted to have. And 'they' will decide what information that is. They will determine what is misinformation and disinformation, what is 'fake news' and what is allowed to be shared and disseminated.

Your 'free will' will have nothing to do with it because they will determine or otherwise limit your choices to be from a menu they present. So while you might think you are exercising your free will, you won't even realize or be able to overcome the control they exert in those very choices.

Very interesting philosophical discussion.

So, what is Truth?

If we take one path and say that everything is subjective (and this is also supported by some physicists) then we can’t ever agree on anything including Jesus being here right?

However if we choose another path in God and the objective truth then we know that Jesus was here, told us how to live our lives and that he will be back.

So, all this AI stuff is just white noise in the grand scheme of thing and should not shake your beliefs, your concerns or whatever problems you have an issue with in regards to this topic.

 

[ZNP]

"History is written by the winners."

That's a familiar saying, and sadder still-- history is also re-written by the winners. The information you are given is ONLY the information you are permitted to have. And 'they' will decide what information that is. They will determine what is misinformation and disinformation, what is 'fake news' and what is allowed to be shared and disseminated.

Your 'free will' will have nothing to do with it because they will determine or otherwise limit your choices to be from a menu they present. So while you might think you are exercising your free will, you won't even realize or be able to overcome the control they exert in those very choices.

Not only so but they are testing it right now. All these people figuring out ways to get the truth out of ChatGPT are training it to make it better at lying.

 

[MrE]

Very interesting philosophical discussion.

So, what is Truth?

If we take one path and say that everything is subjective (and this is also supported by some physicists) then we can’t ever agree on anything including Jesus being here right?

However if we choose another path in God and the objective truth then we know that Jesus was here, told us how to live our lives and that he will be back.

So, all this AI stuff is just white noise in the grand scheme of thing and should not shake your beliefs, your concerns or whatever problems you have an issue with in regards to this topic.

lol.... It's not philosophy. The future happens to everyone, even those who choose to bury their heads in the sand and sing whatever will be will be..... that's Truth.

 

[ZNP]

Very interesting philosophical discussion.

So, what is Truth?

If we take one path and say that everything is subjective (and this is also supported by some physicists) then we can’t ever agree on anything including Jesus being here right?

However if we choose another path in God and the objective truth then we know that Jesus was here, told us how to live our lives and that he will be back.

So, all this AI stuff is just white noise in the grand scheme of thing and should not shake your beliefs, your concerns or whatever problems you have an issue with in regards to this topic.

Do you still get a newspaper delivered every morning?

How about books, to you get them in paper or on the internet?

If all the books, magazines and newspapers are delivered digitally whoever controls the database controls the world's view of the truth. In Animal Farm the pigs changed what was written on the barn, AntiChrist will do the same with books. AI will simply edit them automatically.

Yes, you will have some Christians who know the truth from the Bible. But how many is that? My estimate is this:

1/2 of all those who call themselves are Christians are actually nominal Christians and don't know the word at all.

3/4th of those who are true Christians do not have a regular time with the Lord in the word and know it only superficially.

Of the 1/4th of true Christians that do know the word of God, two thirds of them will be raptured at the start of the 70th week and will not be here to help the rest. That means you will have about 1% of the world's population will be able to assist others in knowing the word.

But it gets worse. Bibles will be illegal. So you need to have the word memorized. I expect that during the first six months of the 70th week (last 7 years of this age) Christians will be ripping up Bibles into small portions and distributing them to be memorized.

 

[Eli1]

lol.... It's not philosophy. The future happens to everyone, even those who choose to bury their heads in the sand and sing whatever will be will be..... that's Truth.

Nice non-answer.
That’s cool, this is the relaxing section of the forum anyway.

 

[Eli1]

Do you still get a newspaper delivered every morning?

How about books, to you get them in paper or on the internet?

If all the books, magazines and newspapers are delivered digitally whoever controls the database controls the world's view of the truth. In Animal Farm the pigs changed what was written on the barn, AntiChrist will do the same with books. AI will simply edit them automatically.

Yes, you will have some Christians who know the truth from the Bible. But how many is that? My estimate is this:

1/2 of all those who call themselves are Christians are actually nominal Christians and don't know the word at all.

3/4th of those who are true Christians do not have a regular time with the Lord in the word and know it only superficially.

Of the 1/4th of true Christians that do know the word of God, two thirds of them will be raptured at the start of the 70th week and will not be here to help the rest. That means you will have about 1% of the world's population will be able to assist others in knowing the word.

But it gets worse. Bibles will be illegal. So you need to have the word memorized. I expect that during the first six months of the 70th week (last 7 years of this age) Christians will be ripping up Bibles into small portions and distributing them to be memorized.

I love your stats that you made up in your mind by the way, but let me ask you this: If everybody is lying to us, then how can we tell the truth?
You for example. How do you know you’re not programmed? (I’m trying to keep a straight face while saying that).

You know what’s a scary conspiracy?
When you and I read the same verse from the Bible and we come up with two different interpretations. Does this mean that objective truth doesn’t exist?
Is this God’s plan?

 

[ZNP]

I love your stats that you made up in your mind by the way, but let me ask you this: If everybody is lying to us, then how can we tell the truth?

I did not make the stats up in my mind.

In the OT only Joshua and Caleb entered the good land, everyone else who was 20 and older died in the land. Those were genuine Jews. Not only so but the Bible says that a "mixed multitude" left Egypt. So the basic principle of having nominal Christians and only 1/6th of genuine believers make that rapture is there.

Then in the NT Jesus gives three cases.

1. You have a good servant and an evil servant. The good servant is waiting on the Lord and watching. The evil one eats and drinks with the drunken and beats his fellow servants. The evil servant is appointed his portion with the hypocrites. The house is the church and they are both servants of the Lord, hence genuine believers, So if we start with 12 we would now be down to 6.

2. Then we have ten virgins, five were wise and five were foolish. The wise had vessels filled with oil (a word of life from the Lord) and five didn't. The Lord tells the foolish ones I never knew you which in Greek means I never had a personal relationship with you. They are locked out where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth. So we have 6 good servants in the church but only half of them have a daily time in the word. So we are now down to 3.

3. Then we have 3 servants that the Lord gave talents to. To two of them the Lord says well done good and faithful servant but to the third He calls him lazy and wicked and he also does not enter into the joy of His lord. So of the three we now have 2.

 

[Eli1]

I did not make the stats up in my mind.

In the OT only Joshua and Caleb entered the good land, everyone else who was 20 and older died in the land. Those were genuine Jews. Not only so but the Bible says that a "mixed multitude" left Egypt. So the basic principle of having nominal Christians and only 1/6th of genuine believers make that rapture is there.

Then in the NT Jesus gives three cases.

1. You have a good servant and an evil servant. The good servant is waiting on the Lord and watching. The evil one eats and drinks with the drunken and beats his fellow servants. The evil servant is appointed his portion with the hypocrites. The house is the church and they are both servants of the Lord, hence genuine believers, So if we start with 12 we would now be down to 6.

2. Then we have ten virgins, five were wise and five were foolish. The wise had vessels filled with oil (a word of life from the Lord) and five didn't. The Lord tells the foolish ones I never knew you which in Greek means I never had a personal relationship with you. They are locked out where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth. So we have 6 good servants in the church but only half of them have a daily time in the word. So we are now down to 3.

3. Then we have 3 servants that the Lord gave talents to. To two of them the Lord says well done good and faithful servant but to the third He calls him lazy and wicked and he also does not enter into the joy of His lord. So of the three we now have 2.

Very interesting interpretation. Is this what Calvinists believe by the way?

But, my original point on this topic was related to free-will. Do you have a problem with free-will? Maybe you do if you consider yourself part of the Elect and condemn everyone in Hell while you watch TV and browse Internet forums.

So we basically have some random news in year 2023 about some chat program being immoral and I said : we have free-will to Reject what this program says.
What’s your response to that?

 

[ZNP]

You for example. How do you know you’re not programmed? (I’m trying to keep a straight face while saying that).

You know what’s a scary conspiracy?
When you and I read the same verse from the Bible and we come up with two different interpretations. Does this mean that objective truth doesn’t exist?
Is this God’s plan?

The real question is how do you know that you are hearing from the Lord.

When I first got saved I was 13 and didn't know the word of God. The Lord told me that I would see Him at his return (this was 50 years ago). However, I had heard that no one knows the day or hour so it seemed that this word was a contradiction of that word (I didn't know about Simeon or Anna yet). So I told the Lord I needed some kind of confirmation so that I knew I was really hearing from Him.

After that prayer I was coming home from a Boy Scout hike, the man driving the car was the father of two of the kids. He used to be an olympic downhill skier but now had Parkinson's disease and had a bad episode earlier that day. We had just gotten off the parkway and were near home. The road had a speed limit of 35 and double yellow lines when he started to speed up, crossed the double yellow lines and passed the car in front of us. That got my attention, but even worse he was standing on the brake with one foot while his other foot was mashed down on the accelerator. He needed help and I was in the passengers seat so I tried to knock his foot off the gas but only wound up knocking his other foot off the brake. The car sped up rapidly and now he was weaving in and out. I got down and was trying with my hands to knock his foot off while he was pulling on the parking brake and the car was smelling of burning brake pads. I'm thinking good thing no one was coming the other way when I hear this screeching horn, look up over the dash and we are heading for a head on crash when he threads the needle between a car on our right and this car coming at us. We are doing about 80 at this point when we blow through a red light and my whole body is shaken by the horn of an 18 wheeler, I look through my window on the right and all I see is the grill of truck. We are now going downhill at about 80 and at the bottom of the hill in about 200 yards there are big boulders. No way we make the turn. I grab his foot with both hands, pull it off the accelerator and then put my foot on the brake and we come to a stop right in front of a boulder. I'm thinking no harm no foul. We didn't hit anyone, no ticket, this could have been worse. But then I turn to see the three kids in the back and they were white as a sheet, they were sure we were going to die. That shocked me because that had never crossed my mind. But as I thought about it I realize it should have. The logical thing was to think we were going to die. Why didn't I.

I prayed about this and then Lord told me because you haven't seen me return yet. That is how I learned that word was true.

 

[ZNP]

Very interesting interpretation. Is this what Calvinists believe by the way?

I'm not a Calvinist, I have no idea what they believe.

But, my original point on this topic was related to free-will. Do you have a problem with free-will? Maybe you do if you consider yourself part of the Elect and condemn everyone in Hell while you watch TV and browse Internet forums.

So we basically have some random news in year 2023 about some chat program being immoral and I said : we have free-will to Reject what this program says.
What’s your response to that?

My response is that I am not worried about me. I'm not worried about you. I am concerned about children and the 99% of the world's population that does not know the Bible well.

 

[Eli1]

The real question is how do you know that you are hearing from the Lord.

When I first got saved I was 13 and didn't know the word of God. The Lord told me that I would see Him at his return (this was 50 years ago). However, I had heard that no one knows the day or hour so it seemed that this word was a contradiction of that word (I didn't know about Simeon or Anna yet). So I told the Lord I needed some kind of confirmation so that I knew I was really hearing from Him.

After that prayer I was coming home from a Boy Scout hike, the man driving the car was the father of two of the kids. He used to be an olympic downhill skier but now had Parkinson's disease and had a bad episode earlier that day. We had just gotten off the parkway and were near home. The road had a speed limit of 35 and double yellow lines when he started to speed up, crossed the double yellow lines and passed the car in front of us. That got my attention, but even worse he was standing on the brake with one foot while his other foot was mashed down on the accelerator. He needed help and I was in the passengers seat so I tried to knock his foot off the gas but only wound up knocking his other foot off the brake. The car sped up rapidly and now he was weaving in and out. I got down and was trying with my hands to knock his foot off while he was pulling on the parking brake and the car was smelling of burning brake pads. I'm thinking good thing no one was coming the other way when I hear this screeching horn, look up over the dash and we are heading for a head on crash when he threads the needle between a car on our right and this car coming at us. We are doing about 80 at this point when we blow through a red light and my whole body is shaken by the horn of an 18 wheeler, I look through my window on the right and all I see is the grill of truck. We are now going downhill at about 80 and at the bottom of the hill in about 200 yards there are big boulders. No way we make the turn. I grab his foot with both hands, pull it off the accelerator and then put my foot on the brake and we come to a stop right in front of a boulder. I'm thinking no harm no foul. We didn't hit anyone, no ticket, this could have been worse. But then I turn to see the three kids in the back and they were white as a sheet, they were sure we were going to die. That shocked me because that had never crossed my mind. But as I thought about it I realize it should have. The logical thing was to think we were going to die. Why didn't I.

I prayed about this and then Lord told me because you haven't seen me return yet. That is how I learned that word was true.

So you’re saying here that you know that you hear from the Lord because you had this experience.
Okay, my response is that I know I’m hearing from the Lord because I saw a white light (which I think was an angel) at a church which showed himself to me due to a prayer I was asking for months. Then it was followed up with a smell of flowers which healed another person and me. I don’t want to go into more details here.
The question now is: Do you think you are right and i‘m wrong or do you realize that God speaks to us in different ways?
And where does this lead us in terms of objective truth? I think it leads us both to God so there shouldn’t be a problem at all.

 

[Eli1]

I'm not a Calvinist, I have no idea what they believe.



My response is that I am not worried about me. I'm not worried about you. I am concerned about children and the 99% of the world's population that does not know the Bible well.

Well, this is legitimate but you have to influence your sphere within your means. You can’t change the world. Only God can do that. We are on a free-willed journey. So you change your sphere of influence.
You know, in another topic many months ago, I saw that you financed some children in Africa.
So, God bless you for that.

 

[ZNP]

So you’re saying here that you know that you hear from the Lord because you had this experience.
Okay, my response is that I know I’m hearing from the Lord because I saw a white light (which I think was an angel) at a church which showed himself to me due to a prayer I was asking for months. Then it was followed up with a smell of flowers which healed another person and me. I don’t want to go into more details here.
The question now is: Do you think you are right and i‘m wrong or do you realize that God speaks to us in different ways?
And where does this lead us in terms of objective truth? I think it leads us both to God so there shouldn’t be a problem at all.

You lost me, when did I say you were wrong?