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What videos am I talking about?

Sorry if I do not believe you
The videos on the 1st page.
Here is another great video on the Temple mount being the right location with nice illustrations.
I don't get anti-Temple Mount people, no offense. I never ONCE here any of you guys debunk the evidence put forth. And I mean a MOUNTAIN of evidence and archeological facts. Why is that? You have to think this through.
 

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Just watch the segment at 39:45 in the above video for size dimensions, but the whole video is pretty well done.
 

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The videos on the 1st page.
Here is another great video on the Temple mount being the right location with nice illustrations.
I don't get anti-Temple Mount people, no offense. I never ONCE here any of you guys debunk the evidence put forth. And I mean a MOUNTAIN of evidence and archeological facts. Why is that? You have to think this through.
Wrong video's, Go deeper. There are many videos,, I did not think you watched the ones I am talking about. Thank you for confirming my doubt
 

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Wrong video's, Go deeper. There are many videos,, I did not think you watched the ones I am talking about. Thank you for confirming my doubt
Not until you watch one of the videos I presented and actually REFUTE them. I already watched one on the first page and refuted it.
 

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Not until you watch one of the videos I presented and actually REFUTE them. I already watched one on the first page and refuted it.
Lol.

I already refuted your belief with an eyewitness acount. Someone who was actually there.. I do not need to see your videos to know they are incorrect.

I never mentioned the first video. I mentioned many videos..

You can believe what you want my friend.. But when you falsly accuse a brother of not giving evidence, then you will get feedback and confronted wiht your error and your bearing false witness
 

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I can chime in on any thread, I'm not derailing anything (I wasn't the one bringing up prophecy anyway). You don't "own" this thread on a PUBLIC forum.
STRIKE THREE, YOU ARE OUT!

I would advise that everyone use this Method to put him on OUR IGNORE LIST.

Step 1. Click on his name under his ICON, and the OPTION to IGNORE all of his posts should be on the POP UP that comes up, the SECOND ON on the BOTTOM ROW.

Step 2. Click on IGNORE.

Step 3. That will insure that NONE OF HIS POSTS show up on you Screen.

Step 4. I you want (Not Mandatory) to check up on him to see what he is up to, there will be an option under the last post of the page to the right side, to check on those you have on the IGNORE LIST. Called: Show ignored content .

It is a very good way to get rid of Nuisance Posts, and those who refuse to stick on subject.

Radius, you are now on my IGNORE LIST.
 

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So, How Come so many People can IGNORE and Eye Witness, who worshipped in the TEMPLE, and Put his findings in a History book ? ? ?

YES, I am talking about JOSEPHUS.

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DID YOU NOTICE THAT ON THIS FACT SHEET FROM JOSEPHUS:

But if we go the other way westward, it began at the same place; and extended through a place called Bethso, to the gate of the Essenes: and after that it went southward: having its bending above the fountain Siloam; where it also bends again towards the east at Solomon’s pool, and reaches as far as a certain place which they called Ophlas [what they called the OPHEL], where it was joined to the eastern cloister of the temple. The second wall took its beginning from that gate which they called Gennath, which belonged to the first wall. It only encompassed the northern quarter of the city, and reached as far as the tower Antonia. - Josephus - The Jewish War, Book V, chapter 4.
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He is saying the Southeast Corner were the Path he was on, JOINS the CLOISTER of the TEMPLE on the East Side, is the OPHEL, and from point West to 600 feet, is the Southwest Corner. The outer walls of the TEMPLE was a SQUARE 600 feet each way.

It is ridiculous, with that SPECIFIC INFO, to IGNORE it, and Cling to False Information that the TEMPLE is on the highest hill.

The Fountain of Siloam was what filled the Pool of Siloam up.
This old Picture from a History Book, and labeled that 1677268388411.png Picture: the Fountain of Siloam.

So it apparently was fed by a Water Fall. So Josephus came up the path from the Pool of Siloam, to the southeast Corner of the TEMPLE on the OPHEL. Do the Math, it as NEVER was up top on the highest ground, it was ALWAYS ON THE OPHEL.

What was up on the Highest Hill, that Josephus knew about.

QUOTE:
". . .went several ways among the cloisters, with their arms, on the Jewish festivals, in order to watch the people, that they might not there attempt to make any innovations; for the temple was a fortress that guarded the city, as was the tower of Antonia a guard to the temple; and in that tower were the guards of those three (14). There was also a peculiar fortress belonging to the upper city, which was Herod's palace; but for the hill Bezetha, it was divided from the tower Antonia, as we have already told you; and as that hill on which the tower of Antonia stood was the highest of these three, so did it adjoin to the new city, and was the only place that hindered the sight of the temple on the north. And this shall suffice at present to have spoken about the city and the walls about it, because I have proposed to myself to make a more accurate description of it elsewhere.
https://www.biblestudytools.com/history/flavius-josephus/war-of-the-jews/book-5/chapter-5.html
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OBVIOUSLY, the HIGHEST HILL was the So-called TEMPLE MOUNT, and it was CONTROLLED by the ROMANS.

To finish up the previous Post with a black and white photo of two farm houses were the only thing remaining of the City of David, and they look like they were build in the 1800s. I found another Photo, that dramatizes how much soil, or earthquake damage fell away or eroded away:
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About 100 feet or more. The Temple East Cloister (Covered Walkway) was there, and the east end of the TEMPLE complex very close to Orange line, go Due west 600 feet and you will be at the Southwest Corner. Since they already found KING DAVID"S Palace, and King Solomon inherited His property when he died. That should not be so difficult to figure out EXACTLY where the HOLY of HOLIES belongs.
 

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So, How Come so many People can IGNORE and Eye Witness, who worshipped in the TEMPLE, and Put his findings in a History book ? ? ?

YES, I am talking about JOSEPHUS.

QUOTE:
DID YOU NOTICE THAT ON THIS FACT SHEET FROM JOSEPHUS:


But if we go the other way westward, it began at the same place; and extended through a place called Bethso, to the gate of the Essenes: and after that it went southward: having its bending above the fountain Siloam; where it also bends again towards the east at Solomon’s pool, and reaches as far as a certain place which they called Ophlas [what they called the OPHEL], where it was joined to the eastern cloister of the temple. The second wall took its beginning from that gate which they called Gennath, which belonged to the first wall. It only encompassed the northern quarter of the city, and reached as far as the tower Antonia. - Josephus - The Jewish War, Book V, chapter 4.
END QUOTE:

He is saying the Southeast Corner were the Path he was on, JOINS the CLOISTER of the TEMPLE on the East Side, is the OPHEL, and from point West to 600 feet, is the Southwest Corner. The outer walls of the TEMPLE was a SQUARE 600 feet each way.

It is ridiculous, with that SPECIFIC INFO, to IGNORE it, and Cling to False Information that the TEMPLE is on the highest hill.

The Fountain of Siloam was what filled the Pool of Siloam up.
This old Picture from a History Book, and labeled that View attachment 248747 Picture: the Fountain of Siloam.

So it apparently was fed by a Water Fall. So Josephus came up the path from the Pool of Siloam, to the southeast Corner of the TEMPLE on the OPHEL. Do the Math, it as NEVER was up top on the highest ground, it was ALWAYS ON THE OPHEL.

What was up on the Highest Hill, that Josephus knew about.

QUOTE:
". . .went several ways among the cloisters, with their arms, on the Jewish festivals, in order to watch the people, that they might not there attempt to make any innovations; for the temple was a fortress that guarded the city, as was the tower of Antonia a guard to the temple; and in that tower were the guards of those three (14). There was also a peculiar fortress belonging to the upper city, which was Herod's palace; but for the hill Bezetha, it was divided from the tower Antonia, as we have already told you; and as that hill on which the tower of Antonia stood was the highest of these three, so did it adjoin to the new city, and was the only place that hindered the sight of the temple on the north. And this shall suffice at present to have spoken about the city and the walls about it, because I have proposed to myself to make a more accurate description of it elsewhere.
https://www.biblestudytools.com/history/flavius-josephus/war-of-the-jews/book-5/chapter-5.html
END QUOTE:

OBVIOUSLY, the HIGHEST HILL was the So-called TEMPLE MOUNT, and it was CONTROLLED by the ROMANS.

To finish up the previous Post with a black and white photo of two farm houses were the only thing remaining of the City of David, and they look like they were build in the 1800s. I found another Photo, that dramatizes how much soil, or earthquake damage fell away or eroded away:
View attachment 248748
About 100 feet or more. The Temple East Cloister (Covered Walkway) was there, and the east end of the TEMPLE complex very close to Orange line, go Due west 600 feet and you will be at the Southwest Corner. Since they already found KING DAVID"S Palace, and King Solomon inherited His property when he died. That should not be so difficult to figure out EXACTLY where the HOLY of HOLIES belongs.
Beautiful work bro. 100% agree. There is NO DOUBT about the accuracy of your findings. All other theories have been rendered OBSOLETE.
 

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Beautiful work bro. 100% agree. There is NO DOUBT about the accuracy of your findings. All other theories have been rendered OBSOLETE.
Thank you for your support, you encourage me.
 

VCO

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OH MY, I just thought of something. The Puzzle is coming together.

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I just inserted a picture of a tower where it belongs. The Placement of that Tower, is on right next to the Steepest part of the drop off. I have had the thought, the guy that built that Tower must have been dumb, to build it so close to the Drop Off., no, he thought he built it far enough away, the orange line. AND THEN THESE VERSES POPPED IN MY HEAD.

Matthew 24:5-8 (HCSB)
5 For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and they will deceive many.

6 You are going to hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not alarmed, because these things must take place, but the end is not yet.
7 For nation will rise up against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places.

8 All these events are the beginning of birth pains.

YES, even in Jerusalem, GOD can be in charge of specific EARTHQUAKES.

I think HE thought it is advancing too fast towards the End Times, so the TOWER had to go. Just a thought.

Only recently did I ever find out that there was a FIFTH TOWER, the one some call the OPHEL GATEHOUSE. It also could be the Tower Josephus called TOWER of ANTONIA.

But either way it went down to bottom of the Kidron Valley very fast. I really do not know, but it could be the 1834 Earthquake that epicenter was in Jerusalem or later.

I did a comparison of very old black and white photos, and came to the conclusion that the oldest it could have been was mid 1850s.
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Before that they has lighting problems. Cameras were not perfected until 1829, and like I said, the results were not that good, and had very dark images. It seems Jerusalem has earthquakes a lot, so I do not know when that OPHEL Gatehouse fell.

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Lol.

I already refuted your belief with an eyewitness acount. Someone who was actually there.. I do not need to see your videos to know they are incorrect.

I never mentioned the first video. I mentioned many videos..

You can believe what you want my friend.. But when you falsly accuse a brother of not giving evidence, then you will get feedback and confronted wiht your error and your bearing false witness
I'm not going to hunt for the video you want me to watch. Link it here please.
and what did you refute?

You said, "The fortress was much larger than the Temple. The so called temple mount fits its dimensions perfectly."

Uhh, no. the Temple mount fits the original Temple perfectly. There are no dimensions given for the fortress in the Bible so how can you say that the Temple Mount fits it perfectly?

You said, "there is no "threshing floor" on the so called temple complex.. the threshing floor that became the temple is found south of the so called temple mount."

The threshing floor existed just below the top of Mount Moriah as pointed out in the last video I linked. NO threashing floor would exist inside the city limits! The threshing floor would not be in the City of David.


You said, "and everything that goes with it. there is no water supply needed for the alter in the temple complex. but there is one south, in fact they have found what the OT claimed it to be from the springs."

There has been found 43 cisterns and reservoirs on the Temple Mount. The plaster found in the cisterns date back to the first Temple. Jewish commentaries, such as the Mishnah has spoken about the Temple Mount cisterns. The lower aqueducts brought water up to the Temple from Bethlehem. It was built in 950BC.

I can refute everything. You can't refute anything in the video I last linked. In fact you wont even watch it because you would be faced with a much bigger task that you're spiritually able to to take on.
 

Radius

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Beautiful work bro. 100% agree. There is NO DOUBT about the accuracy of your findings. All other theories have been rendered OBSOLETE.
Obsolete? Can you refute all of the findings in this video? If you can, I'll agree with you.
 

Radius

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OH MY, I just thought of something. The Puzzle is coming together.

View attachment 248761
I just inserted a picture of a tower where it belongs. The Placement of that Tower, is on right next to the Steepest part of the drop off. I have had the thought, the guy that built that Tower must have been dumb, to build it so close to the Drop Off., no, he thought he built it far enough away, the orange line. AND THEN THESE VERSES POPPED IN MY HEAD.

Matthew 24:5-8 (HCSB)
5 For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and they will deceive many.

6 You are going to hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not alarmed, because these things must take place, but the end is not yet.
7 For nation will rise up against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places.

8 All these events are the beginning of birth pains.

YES, even in Jerusalem, GOD can be in charge of specific EARTHQUAKES.

I think HE thought it is advancing too fast towards the End Times, so the TOWER had to go. Just a thought.

Only recently did I ever find out that there was a FIFTH TOWER, the one some call the OPHEL GATEHOUSE. It also could be the Tower Josephus called TOWER of ANTONIA.

But either way it went down to bottom of the Kidron Valley very fast. I really do not know, but it could be the 1834 Earthquake that epicenter was in Jerusalem or later.

I did a comparison of very old black and white photos, and came to the conclusion that the oldest it could have been was mid 1850s.
View attachment 248768

Before that they has lighting problems. Cameras were not perfected until 1829, and like I said, the results were not that good, and had very dark images. It seems Jerusalem has earthquakes a lot, so I do not know when that OPHEL Gatehouse fell.

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Nope. Try again. Now you're redrawing maps to fit your agenda!!??

There was a huge garbage dump on the eastern slope of the City of David. And closer to the Ophel were found housings and toilet system. LOL at thinking the Temple was built over a trash heap and residential areas with toilets. How unclean can you get!


The interesting conclusion one can draw from this garbage is that if the Temple indeed stood on the western slope of the Kedron Valley above the Gihon Spring, then either it must have been built on this unstable landfill, which is unlikely, or, as all large Jerusalem buildings are founded on the rock, especially such a large complex as the Temple Mount and its buildings, there shouldn’t be any landfill there. If the Temple indeed stood above the spring there should be a large hole in this landfill, but there isn’t.
 

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Now everyone should be able to see this one that lives to argue.

Arguing is a sin, and some are addicted to it.

It reminds me of a teenage attitude, where they think they know it all, but don't.

Here are some appropriate verses.

Proverbs 6:14 (NCV)
14 They make evil plans in their hearts and are always starting arguments.

Proverbs 6:16-19 (NCV)
16 There are six things the LORD hates. There are seven things he cannot stand:
17 a proud look, a lying tongue, hands that kill innocent people,
18 a mind that thinks up evil plans, feet that are quick to do evil,
19 a witness who lies, and someone who starts arguments among families.

Are we not the family of GOD ? ? ?

Colossians 2:4 (GW)
4 I say this so that no one will mislead you with arguments that merely sound good.

1 Timothy 6:3-5 (HCSB)
3 If anyone teaches other doctrine and does not agree with the sound teaching of our Lord Jesus Christ and with the teaching that promotes godliness,
4 he is conceited, understanding nothing, but has a sick interest in disputes and arguments over words. From these come envy, quarreling, slander, evil suspicions,
5 and constant disagreement among people whose minds are depraved and deprived of the truth, who imagine that godliness is a way to material gain.

2 Timothy 2:23-24 (NIV)
23 Don't have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels.
24 And the Lord's servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful.

Titus 3:9-11 (GW)
9 Avoid foolish controversies, arguments about genealogies, quarrels, and fights about Moses' Teachings. This is useless and worthless.
10 Have nothing to do with people who continue to teach false doctrine after you have warned them once or twice.
11 You know that people like this are corrupt. They are sinners condemned by their own actions.

That is what GOD thinks about quarrelling.
Back to the Subject we are supposed to be talking about.
 

VCO

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Here is the misunderstanding that the JEWS, started the snowball rolling down hill, yes I posted it twice before, but is seems appropriate NOW.

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If you do not understand that Mount Moriah was not a single peak, but rather the NAME of the Whole RIDGE it gathers a lot more false Teachings on the way to the bottom. If you think it must be a SINGLE PEAK, you create a false teaching, such as this. Yes, Mt. Zion is Part of Mt. Moriah:


2 Chronicles 3:1 (HCSB)
1 Then Solomon began to build the LORD’s temple in Jerusalem on Mount Moriah (thinking it has to be a single peak) where the LORD had appeared to his father David, at the site David had prepared on the threshing floor of Ornan the Jebusite.

Joel 3:21 (HCSB)
21 I will pardon their bloodguilt, ⌊which⌋ I have not pardoned, for the LORD dwells in Zion.

NOW, you have created a single peak theory, that is a false teaching. Then you start thinking, it does not matter what type of soil or bedrock, the Threshing Floor had to be, so you put it up top, where their is way more fill soil, instead of bedrock, the Cheapest place for the Threshing Floor. Then you start thinking it is important to place it up top the highest high, so you make THAT UP entirely. THE SNOW BALL IS HEADED DOWN HILL FAST, Gathering more, and more False Teaching.

For you who were raised in a big city, Believe this farm boy, KING DAVID wound not have paid 15 Pounds of GOLD for a Dirt Threshing Floor, as those are the CHEAPEST FLOORS for THRESHING YOU CAN BUY. It does not take a genius to think of that.

IT WAS ON THE OPHEL.

1 Chronicles 21:24 (ASV)
24 And king David said to Ornan, Nay; but I will verily buy it for
the full price:
for I will not take that which is thine for Jehovah,
nor offer a burnt-offering without cost.
1 Chronicles 21:25 (HCSB)
25 So David gave Ornan 15 pounds of gold for the plot.
 

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I do not think a 75 foot TOWER that King Herod built , which the OPHEL GATEHOUSE was, had it survived the Earthquake, that plunged it down in the Kidron Valley; would stick out like a sore thumb. It was build by King Herod, for what purpose there is an ongoing debate. Some seem to think it was an ultra rich hotel, I think it was build for the Romans, as Herod considered Mark Anthony his Best Friend. But now it is out of site, and out of mind of most people, so it is easy to IGNORE, it's place in History, equally INGNORED. Here is a group of JEWS that want to start a REBELLION, and a LEGION OF SOLDIERS WANTING TO STOP THEM, it is EASIER to Keep an EYE on the ZEALOTS in the TEMPLE than anywhere else in the whole Fortress Antonia complex, from the TOP of that TOWER. The TOWER was strategically placed so that everything inside the TEMPLE Courts was plainly visible, with the TEMPLE being on the OPHEL.

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So whether it was Build for the Romans, or whether they marched in and TOOK IT OVER, either way there ROMANS WERE THERE to keep an Eye on the Zealots. That below, would be the Second GATEHOUSE TOWER. The first was a smaller one and probably served as a watched tower, just out back to the north of this Second one:

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No, there was not a road there when it was BUILT. Yes, it is a real thing, and lots of ruins Prove it.

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That is the little one, and the big one runs under the highway, the one that was 75 feet tall.
The TEMPLE ROOF was 50 High. So with the TEMPLE only 50 high, with the Romans on a roof of a 75 foot tower, a little bit lower, they Still had a bird's eye view of the whole Temple complex.
 

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Now that is better, a VERY defensible Military Tower. In an ATTACK, No windows on the ground floor, just a very secure door, second floor only 3 narrow windows on each side, next four floor two archers assign to each side on each floor, and the roof three archers on each side. The top four flours, have a doorway size shooting ports. VERY defensible. I have know idea what it actually looked like, but this looks like a Military Defensible Postition. Maybe a hundred arrows for each archer. YES, that looks like what the ROMAN X LEGION would want in that Position.
 

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What were the Zealots up against, when they decided to take on the ROMAN X LEGION ? ? ?
Literally the MOST FEARED ARMY, and the most technological weapons fighting force for over 500 years. I think this video will be an eye opener for how advanced the ROMANS really were:

 

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I improved on a stitched drawing, all the words are mine, except when I was quoting JOSEPHUS, and few other artist, an the main artist, Many thanks as without it, I could not have made this stitched drawing. READ it all, if you what to know the TRUTH.

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In that little photo, the lady is standing by a HUGE vent in the wall, venting the stink from 300 horses on the ground floor Stables. BUT there are 34 of those kind of VENTS along the east wall starting of that inserted photo in the upper left corner, and coming South to the corner and around almost to where that Possible ARMORY is. There were 300 horses assigned to every LEGION. Yes that FIFTH TOWER IS REAL, and there are ruins to prove it. AND it was 75 feet tall. See how it towers over the TEMPLE ROOF.

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