Salvation is for the Whole World

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Sipsey

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Bad example. Correct example would be if the patient were already dead - not just on his death bed.
Should the doctor have a miraculous medicine to return him to life and he administers it, what would the dead man have contributed?
No, it was the exact example I meant. God says man is “without excuse.” We are born into a dark world, and the only antidote is light. It is offered to all, but many prefer the darkness, therefore, will not appropriate the medicine that heals eternally.
 

rogerg

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No, it was the exact example I meant. God says man is “without excuse.” We are born into a dark world, and the only antidote is light. It is offered to all, but many prefer the darkness, therefore, will not appropriate the medicine that heals eternally.
No, yours is incorrect because we are spiritually dead in our sin and transgressions until saved. Just as a physically dead person
cannot comprehend things on the physical plane, neither can a spiritually dead person comprehend things on the
on the spiritual plane. One must first be given spiritual life for that to occur.

[Eph 2:1 KJV] 1 And you [hath he quickened], who were dead in trespasses and sins;

[1Co 2:14 KJV] 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.
 

Sipsey

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No, not everyone will become saved and we can do nothing to save ourselves. Those saved are saved solely through
grace - it being a free gift of God. Anything other than that makes it our work, and in God's eyes, work incurs debt, not grace.
Jesus Christ alone is the Saviour, we are not.
So, to be clear, you’re saying that these words, somehow, dont mean what they plainly say?
Romans 1:20 (KJV)

[20] For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 379

379. ἀναπολόγητος anapológētos; neut. anapológētou, masc.-fem., neut. ana-pológēton, adj. from the priv. a (1), without, and apologéomai (626), to apologize, excuse. Without apology or excuse, inexcusable (Ro 1:20; 2:1).
 

rogerg

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So, to be clear, you’re saying that these words, somehow, dont mean what they plainly say?
Romans 1:20 (KJV)

[20] For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 379

379. ἀναπολόγητος anapológētos; neut. anapológētou, masc.-fem., neut. ana-pológēton, adj. from the priv. a (1), without, and apologéomai (626), to apologize, excuse. Without apology or excuse, inexcusable (Ro 1:20; 2:1).
I am not saying anything - I only paraphrased what the verses say that I included.
Those of 1:20 were of the spiritually dead and blind - they could not spiritually comprehend as we were informed of in 1 Corinthians 2:14.
 

Mem

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That's the optomist version
You are capable of seeing it my way, but you don't want to. It's not that you don't have it, it's that you don't hold it.
 
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God proclaimed them as "good" and "very good" as part of His creation.

Christ alone is perfect, and we are perfected in Him alone.
Adam and Eve were created perfect-they rebelled and lost it.
Gods perfect justice= A perfect mortal rebelled and lost a good standing for all men with God---A perfect mortal lived perfect and died paying the wages of sin he did not owe=the ransom sacrifice.
 
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Its not that way in the Greek Lexicons--The true God called Ho Theos= God-the word called plain Theos=god. Same at 2 Cor 4:4--God called Ho theos-God, satan called theos-god.--The whole reason for the difference, because the only word in Greek for either God or god is Theos, thus HoTheos given to the true God when a small g god is mentioned in the same paragraph.
 
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If Adam and Eve had been perfect, they would not have sinned in the first place.

We are perfected in Christ alone.
Satan was a perfect angel then he rebelled-1/3 of the angels fell-they were all created perfect-to live forever as Adam and Eve were until they rebelled.
 

Magenta

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Satan was a perfect angel then he rebelled-1/3 of the angels fell-they were all created perfect-to live forever as Adam and Eve were until they rebelled.
No verse says A&E were created perfect. Good proclaimed His work good, and then after Eve was formed, very good.

Adam and Eve were of the natural world. Do you deny that we are perfected in Christ alone?

Nor were they created immortal. God alone is immortal.
 

Cameron143

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You are capable of seeing it my way, but you don't want to. It's not that you don't have it, it's that you don't hold it.
Ahhh....to have and to hold....
 

Magenta

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Its not that way in the Greek Lexicons--The true God called Ho Theos= God-the word called plain
Theos=god.Same at 2 Cor 4:4--God called Ho theos-God, satan called theos-god.--The whole reason
for the difference,because the only word in Greek for either God or god is Theos,
thusHoTheos given to the trueGod when a small g god is mentioned in the same paragraph.
Kyrios or kurios (Ancient Greek: κύριος, romanized: kū́rios) is a Greek word which is usually
translated as "lord" or "master". It is used in the Septuagint translation of the Hebrew
scriptures about 7000 times, in particular translating the name God YHWH (the Tetragrammaton),
and it appears in the Koine Greek New Testament about 740 times, usually referring to Jesus.
source
 

Nehemiah6

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His gift is not like an object that you can accept or reject.
That is completely false (as usual coming from the camp of a false gospel).

Like all gifts, God's gift of eternal life (which is in fact the gift of His Son) must be received. Christ must be RECEIVED (accepted) as Lord and Savior by those who repent and believe on Him. See Revelation 3:20.

But as many as received* him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: (John 1:12)

* Strong's Concordance
lambanó: to take, receive
Original Word: λαμβάνω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: lambanó
Phonetic Spelling: (lam-ban'-o)
Definition: to take, receive

Usage: (a) I receive, get, (b) I take, lay hold of.

So once a person grabs hold of a false teaching, they have no choice expect to twist and pervert the Word of God over and over again. This is like the rejection of the deity of Christ by the Jehovah's Witnesses. Since John 1:1 automatically refutes their false doctrine they changed "God" to "a god" when applied to Christ. Thus the Calvinists change "the world" of humanity to "the elect" (or so-called elect) otherwise their whole house of cards gets blown away.