"What must I do to be saved?"

Pilgrimshope · Mar 1, 2023

right the end will come after the only gospel is preached to all the world until the world ends and Jesus returns like he said in the gospel the one Paul became a believer and witness of

Your arguments aren’t making any sense

are you saying as paul wrote that sentance the gospel now somehow changed lol ? And that’s your reasoning for inventing a second gospel that erases the gospel Jesus preached and then becomes the word grace ? Which now means no one now needs to do anything god said will save them in the gospel he sent to all people ? Thier saves regardless of what the savior said ?

I must not have the extra special gra ce lens to see which verses are true and which verses are lies

Pilgrimshope · Mar 1, 2023

oyster67 said:

yeah of mankind didn’t have a choice there’s no reason for man to ever hear the gospel

which is Satans glory when we won’t hear the gospel

Pilgrimshope · Mar 1, 2023

ForestGreenCook said:

jesus taught them the gospel and sent them to teach us the gospel

“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:18-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Salvstion was preached by Jesus to them and ordained for them to go teach the same things to the world and people still today hear thier witness because it’s written

“how shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, ( Jesus )

and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him; ( the apostles and disciples )

God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭2:3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s why Paul and Peter healed people and rose the dead as they were witnessing the gospel because the spirit of Christ was in the Confirming the truth that hey we’re confirming that Jesus had taught and commanded them to preach to all People beginning at Jerusalem for salvation of all Mankind past present and future

The message of the gospel

“and said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: ( Paul preached that )

and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations,( Paul preached That ) beginning at Jerusalem. And ye are witnesses of these things.”( that’s why Paul was witnessing these things until he was killed by Nero )
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:46-48‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him, preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭28:30-31‬

That’s the last you hear about Paul and then you read his final Letter when he was about to face Nero the second time. The church kept preaching the gospel long after Paul died he was one of them believer of the gospel which is the reason he gave his entire existence to preaching it to all people

Wansvic · Mar 1, 2023

Pilgrimshope said:

This scripture alone proves that the command to be baptized is part of the gospel message that results in a person being born again.

oyster67 · Mar 1, 2023

Wansvic said:

Water Worshipper Wansvic back in the saddle again.

Pilgrimshope · Mar 1, 2023

Wansvic said:

I agree baptism for remission of sins is part of the gospel and a part of the process all Christian’s are meant to go through being made a new creation , but also some who werent baptized for remission in Christs name have been saved such as the saints who died before Jesus and slept in death such as Abraham Isaac and Jacob they are all are part of the same kingdom of God and we’rent baptized for remission of sins.

I personally am convicted about baptism for remission of sins in Jesus name being really important to actually being renewed and set free from sins dominion , being saved , belonging to Abraham’s family of blessing and promise ect now in my old age because I have learned so much about it from the epistles

But I’m only convicted about it because the Bible says it and I’ve heard it and accept it’s true. But to be totally honest brother when I was baptized I had no clue it was important I just was baptized because of what jesus says in mark chapter 16 ( preach the gospel to everyone in the world whoever believes and is baptized will be saved )

I just believed it must be true because Jesus is my lord and savior and if he says it and personally applies it to every creature just as he’s risen from death and proven his claims and says “whoever believes and is baptized shall be saved “

When I really heard that , when it sunk in I thought I need to get baptized because i surely Believe in Jesus and want to be saved “

I think I was looking for something after returning from deployment something new a new focus for my mind and heart at the time and a friend later after I was baptized “ baptism is for the remission of sins “

What I’m trying to say is I myself have a conviction of faith that we really need to just hear what jesus said and trust him

But I honestly don’t read anything that says” if you haven’t been baptized you can’t be saved “ I believe that baptism os truly an important part of the gospel , but if someone doesn’t actually know that I don’t think it’s going to disqualify them

I think its when we do know something is important to do, and then don’t do it that it becomes sin , or if we know somethings important and say it isn’t also that may be even more sinful

about of someone doesn’t know about or understand or have the opportunity to get baptized I’m not personally thinking they are automatically lost

But that is only my own belief and shouldn’t be taken as anything more than that or an attack in what anyone else believes especially you brother

ForestGreenCook · Mar 1, 2023

John146 said:

God blinded the eyes of most of Spiritual Israel for their disobedience in worshiping idols, until they repent, but he reserved a remnant of them that would not do iniquity, nor speak lies, neither shall a deceitful tongue be found in their mouth, for they shall feed and lie down, and none shall make the afraid.

There is a salvation (deliverance) When a lost sheep of the house of Spiritual Israel repents, or when a babe in Christ matures enough to come unto a knowledge of the truth.

These two groups are who the remnant is to teach and preach and pray for.

ForestGreenCook · Mar 1, 2023

fredoheaven said:

It is God's work, not yours.

Wansvic · Mar 1, 2023

Pilgrimshope said:

I agree. I share the following as many may not know scripture addresses the truth concerning there is but one gospel. Peter was the first to preach the gospel message to the Jews and Gentiles. (Acts 2, 19:43-48) Peter specifically mentions this in Acts 15:

"And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe." Acts 15:7

Also, Paul preached the same gospel to the Jew first and also to the Greek/Gentile:

"And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
And all the men were about twelve.
And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God.
But when divers were hardened, and believed not, but spake evil of that way before the multitude, he departed from them, and separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus.
And this continued by the space of two years; so that all they which dwelt in Asia heard the word of the Lord Jesus, both Jews and Greeks."

"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek."

Wansvic · Mar 1, 2023

Pilgrimshope said:

I agree. I share the following as many may not know scripture addresses the truth concerning there is but one gospel. Peter was the first to preach the gospel message to the Jews and Gentiles. (Acts 2, 19:43-48) Peter specifically mentions this in Acts 15:

"And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe." Acts 15:7

Also, Paul preached the same gospel to the Jew first and also to the Greek/Gentile:

"And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
And all the men were about twelve.
And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God.
But when divers were hardened, and believed not, but spake evil of that way before the multitude, he departed from them, and separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus.
And this continued by the space of two years; so that all they which dwelt in Asia heard the word of the Lord Jesus, both Jews and Greeks."

"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek."

Pilgrimshope · Mar 1, 2023

oyster67 said:

yeah , those darn Christian’s and thier baptism practices 😄 and man made traditions

“Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.

And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water:

and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

and lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭3:13, 15-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,

and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38-39‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest.

And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

( surely Philip wasn’t operating by the spirit Jesus had already given him )

And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭8:35-39‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. ….on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized,

which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:42-48‬ ‭KJV‬‬

haha I bet they really eat bread and partake of the cup also 😂

fredoheaven · Mar 1, 2023

ForestGreenCook said:

Yes, God works on me since I believed or trusted Christ for my salvation Ephesians 1:13

ForestGreenCook · Mar 1, 2023

The_Watchers_2017 said:

They are for Rewards.

This discussion boils down to the single Moment when God comes to a person, this person is in church and feels the Message speaking to them, God embraces this person with His Love, God invites this person in their [spirit-heart-mind] to Follow Him, and then the person Submits themselves to God and prays through becoming Saved.

The Moment is God Inviting the person to Follow Him and the Person Submitting.

How can a person Submit without choosing to do so?

^
That is Not a works, that is a Reaction of Affirmation to God's Invitation.

But, the person has to choose to do that...even though...it's not a works...it's a Submission.

This is conversion, not being born again. Conversion follows the new birth.

Pilgrimshope · Mar 1, 2023

Wansvic said:

I agree. I share the following as many may not know scripture addresses the truth concerning there is but one gospel. Peter was the first to preach the gospel message to the Jews and Gentiles. (Acts 2, 19:43-48) Peter specifically mentions this in Acts 15:

"And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe." Acts 15:7

Also, Paul preached the same gospel to the Jew first and also to the Greek/Gentile:

"And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
And all the men were about twelve.
And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God.
But when divers were hardened, and believed not, but spake evil of that way before the multitude, he departed from them, and separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus.
And this continued by the space of two years; so that all they which dwelt in Asia heard the word of the Lord Jesus, both Jews and Greeks."

"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek."

well said brother couldnt agree more as usual regarding the gospel

Wansvic · Mar 1, 2023

Pilgrimshope said:

I agree. I share the following as many may not know scripture addresses the truth concerning there is but one gospel. Peter was the first to preach the gospel message to the Jews and Gentiles. (Acts 2, 19:43-48) Peter specifically mentions this in Acts 15:

"And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe." Acts 15:7

Also, Paul preached the same gospel to the Jew first and also to the Greek/Gentile:

"And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
And all the men were about twelve.
And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God.
But when divers were hardened, and believed not, but spake evil of that way before the multitude, he departed from them, and separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus.
And this continued by the space of two years; so that all they which dwelt in Asia heard the word of the Lord Jesus, both Jews and Greeks."

"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek."

fredoheaven · Mar 1, 2023

Wansvic said:

The gospel message is only Jesus saves. Water Baptism is part of the great commission to disciple every believer. It doesn't saves anyone. Water doesn't saves, only the blood saves

Pilgrimshope · Mar 1, 2023

fredoheaven said:

but

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It does connect baptism to salvation
But it doesn’t connect not getting baptized to damnation we’re supposed to accept and believe and then act not look for requirement and non requirement but grow as we hear and can grasp

always knowing he’s gonna save us but always giving him our whole heart and life as well

The_Watchers_2017 · Mar 1, 2023

ForestGreenCook said:

No, that is how we know we're not robots like you believe yourself to be.

Pilgrimshope · Mar 1, 2023

fredoheaven said:

Amen

“Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

Do all things without murmurings and disputings: that ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world; holding forth the word of life; that I may rejoice in the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2:12-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Pilgrimshope · Mar 1, 2023

The_Watchers_2017 said:

Could you imagine if Gods will was the reason people did evil and then he spent all the time telling them “ if you don’t stop doing all this evil I’m forcing you to do to each other , I’m going to utterly destroy you from off the earth and torment you forever and save only the ones I forced to suffer and do good “

Ayer the whole time they never had a choice to begin with they never really could choose to return to him and stop doing evil

That’s much more like radical Islams god or oden and Valhalla

"What must I do to be saved?"

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