3 Statements...Just True or False
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If he was taking the blame he would have said I ate the fruit. No need to bring anyone else into it.
Two of my kids get into a fight. I ask who started it. One says he punched me. The other says he pushed me first.
Both told the truth. Both were trying to mitigate blame.
The same with Adam and Eve.
Two of my kids get into a fight. I ask who started it. One says he punched me. The other says he pushed me first.
Both told the truth. Both were trying to mitigate blame.
The same with Adam and Eve.
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I agree with Cameron on this one.
It isn't that Adam or Eve told an untruth, but rather, they chose not to tell the WHOLE truth.
A.) They omitted the fact that both of them knew perfectly well they were sinning, and they knew perfectly well they were going against God's clear directive, on purpose, with the clear intent to disobey. They really glossed over the depth of their understanding, and the clarity of their willfulness.
(These statements of Adam and Eve don't sound like statements of repentance... they're more like the statements of children being caught.)
B. While omitting their own deep knowledge and sinful intent (which shows one's culpability) they somehow DID remember to include another person's involvement and culpability.
C.) These aren't lies, but they seem to be sort of pitiful "deflections", exactly as children do when they're caught in some mischief. They try to downplay their own culpability and distract you with someone else's involvement. It seems to be EXACTLY what Cameron described with his own children.
D.) We should also, in fairness, consider that by this time, when they were explaining it to God, they were no longer in innocence... they were fallen sinners at this point. So it's no great surprise if they were trying to explain things in a way to downplay their culpability.
You guys have a lovely day... and don't take any apples from snakes.
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This could be true, but I think one has to consider the question posed to them.
They each answered very succinctly about what occurred, seems to me they were just being very matter of fact.
We have no idea of the tone, body language and how these statements were delivered, kinda like Christian Chat.
So her death would not leave him alone, or so she would not die alone, or some mix of
those two is how I have heard it explained--posth explains this sort of thing well-
He likens it to Christ sacrificing himself for His bride... Did you mention this already?-
those two is how I have heard it explained-
-posth explains this sort of thing well-He likens it to Christ sacrificing himself for His bride... Did you mention this already?-
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This is true. And I supposed Adam had to know that, at the least after he ate the fruit, that his eating only sealed the destiny of all mankind to suffer death, which scripture does tell us. I posed the question to determine whether it was or was not the intent of speculation that he ate to be with her, given the assertion that scripture that says "He (Adam) is the pattern of the One to come (Romans 5:14b)." supports this reasoning that Adam ate. My current position is that Eve had nothing to do with Adam's desire to eat, and might even argue her influence if I thought about it long enough. Rather she was merely a 'tool' by which Adam's access to the fruit was made more convenient. Indeed, the eating thereof resulted in Eve's acquiescence? of a persistent unrequited love.
Might I be too very far off to consider that possibility?
Might I be too very far off to consider that possibility?
Posth did explain that perspective very well, but maybe I'm a bit too jaded
to be convince of it. Either that, or Posth might just be a hopeless romantic.
to be convince of it. Either that, or Posth might just be a hopeless romantic.
in a way that departs so far from what we are actually told in the text. 1 John 2:16 seems to
relate directly back to the garden in Genesis 3:6 ~ When the woman saw that the fruit of the
tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she
took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.
// For everything in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—
comes not from the Father but from the world. One thing I find troublesome (?) is people
not properly identifying the lie that Satan told Eve.
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