Revival @ Asbury?
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YES, the Emphasis is indeed on Jesus.
But we get places with God, like wanting a Revival and souls Saved, when we Glorify God and Magnify All He Is in true worship.
That is Seeking, Repentance, and Worshipping God.
The Prophets weren't just showing up one day with a Word from God so the people were in constant standing with their God.
Oh No, they were Praising and Praying God. Daniel prayed, Jeremiah weeped, they were in touch with God because they were all about Glorifying God.
But we get places with God, like wanting a Revival and souls Saved, when we Glorify God and Magnify All He Is in true worship.
That is Seeking, Repentance, and Worshipping God.
The Prophets weren't just showing up one day with a Word from God so the people were in constant standing with their God.
Oh No, they were Praising and Praying God. Daniel prayed, Jeremiah weeped, they were in touch with God because they were all about Glorifying God.
Not always an addict. Yes amen praise God glory glory to Jesus. We are not moved by what we see hear and feel for we as its written walk by live by faith. As our Father does calls those things that be not as though they were. He said who ever calls on the name of the lord shall be delivered/Saved. Whom the son sets free is free indeed. As He said your will be done on earth as it "is" in heaven. What He does for one He does for all. Again we walk by faith not sight. I never judge what God can do by looking at others for that is not faith.
Paul was mentioned, if this is about the thorn in the flesh Aggelos 179 times translated as angel and 7 times as messenger. It was never translated as disease or physical sickness. I know personally those that always had their bible always talked faith no one every said they doubted. He had cancer one day just me and him in the car he stops the car starts to cry "I don't think I will ever be healed". When Christ went to this town all He could do was lay hands a few and teach because of "doubt". The bible says if we doubt were like a ship tossed back and forth let not that man think he will get anything from God.
I always ask "what can you believe for". Some do not believe they will ever be set free and will have what ever it is for life. Some like my son "you can't pray this away". God can not will not go against his will. So yes some have to struggle for the rest of their life. Some are like "I believe help my unbelief". Others are "I know you can but do you want to". Anyone that calls on the name of the lord shall be delivered. I don't care what it looks like sounds like or what man says God did not lie.
Side not based on what I read after.. praise GOD glory to God man gets no say in who is written in His books. We tend to talk different if it was our kids that would be lost forever. Then ooh then there is always hope.
Paul was mentioned, if this is about the thorn in the flesh Aggelos 179 times translated as angel and 7 times as messenger. It was never translated as disease or physical sickness. I know personally those that always had their bible always talked faith no one every said they doubted. He had cancer one day just me and him in the car he stops the car starts to cry "I don't think I will ever be healed". When Christ went to this town all He could do was lay hands a few and teach because of "doubt". The bible says if we doubt were like a ship tossed back and forth let not that man think he will get anything from God.
I always ask "what can you believe for". Some do not believe they will ever be set free and will have what ever it is for life. Some like my son "you can't pray this away". God can not will not go against his will. So yes some have to struggle for the rest of their life. Some are like "I believe help my unbelief". Others are "I know you can but do you want to". Anyone that calls on the name of the lord shall be delivered. I don't care what it looks like sounds like or what man says God did not lie.
Side not based on what I read after.. praise GOD glory to God man gets no say in who is written in His books. We tend to talk different if it was our kids that would be lost forever. Then ooh then there is always hope.
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After they were healed, they had to repent of calling themselves an "alcoholic". They did so to fulfill the doctrine of Alcoholics Anonymous. When they were healed by Christ they were "free indeed" from that label.
Did you miss the part where they were able to drink alcohol again? AA would never allow it. In Christ there was no issue.
Did you miss the part where they were able to drink alcohol again? AA would never allow it. In Christ there was no issue.
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I did not miss that part. What I said was they "called" themselves alcoholics. I have known several people that "called" themselves an alcoholic, only because they drank a lot. That in and of itself does not make a person an alcoholic. They could stop any time they WANTED to. That is the difference. An alcoholic/addict only stops when they have "hit bottom"..... in other words, they either stop, or they die.
A true alcoholic, once drinking cannot stop, it is a physical/physiological addiction.
Until you've been involved in working with addicts, you won't understand it. I'll leave you guys to it.... you have your opinions, and I have mine... and mine are based on being around addicts my whole life, and working with them directly for several years....
And AA was based on Biblical ideals.... first step..... admit you have a problem you are powerless over.
Connect with your "higher power" whatever you choose to call Him. That group of folks has been working with alcoholics for generations, and they disagree with the notion that you can just "give it to Jesus" and your addiction is gone. Giving it to Jesus gets him to give you the strength to not act on your addiction. And that is a cure.
A true alcoholic, once drinking cannot stop, it is a physical/physiological addiction.
Until you've been involved in working with addicts, you won't understand it. I'll leave you guys to it.... you have your opinions, and I have mine... and mine are based on being around addicts my whole life, and working with them directly for several years....
And AA was based on Biblical ideals.... first step..... admit you have a problem you are powerless over.
Connect with your "higher power" whatever you choose to call Him. That group of folks has been working with alcoholics for generations, and they disagree with the notion that you can just "give it to Jesus" and your addiction is gone. Giving it to Jesus gets him to give you the strength to not act on your addiction. And that is a cure.
It wasn't an issue of faith. It's to keep him from being conceited and to learn to live in God's strength instead of his own:
2 Corinthians 12:7 or because of these surpassingly great revelations. Therefore, in order to keep me from becoming conceited, I was given a thorn in my flesh, a messenger of Satan, to torment me. 8 Three times I pleaded with the Lord to take it away from me. 9 But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me. 10 That is why, for Christ’s sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong.
This is one of the reasons why God might decide not to heal a person.
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Just reading the posts, it seems there are examples where God has delivered people gloriously out of their addictions, but also, and just as gloriously, in their addictions.
Seems worth noting, the problem with homosexuality isn't so much abstinence or not, but is it actually considered a sin and is every effort being made to be delivered. Someone who has homosexual urges but recognizes it as sin and strives against it is likely a Christian or well on his or her way.
Seems worth noting, the problem with homosexuality isn't so much abstinence or not, but is it actually considered a sin and is every effort being made to be delivered. Someone who has homosexual urges but recognizes it as sin and strives against it is likely a Christian or well on his or her way.
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I was involved with addicts for 23 years. I know what AA says because I taught it as well as group, Intensive Outpatient, and even MAT with Suboxone.
The people I know where died in the wool addicts who were healed by God. Interestingly enough, they all had to renounce any hold AA had on them and any agreement they had with “once an addict always and addict”. All of them, once healed, could drink again without the threat of relapse.
Addiction is about shame, trauma, and betrayal. It merely manifests as an addiction to a substance. Once they were healed, and the spirits were dealt with, they were no longer subject to addiction.
The people I know where died in the wool addicts who were healed by God. Interestingly enough, they all had to renounce any hold AA had on them and any agreement they had with “once an addict always and addict”. All of them, once healed, could drink again without the threat of relapse.
Addiction is about shame, trauma, and betrayal. It merely manifests as an addiction to a substance. Once they were healed, and the spirits were dealt with, they were no longer subject to addiction.
More proof (as if we needed more) that LGBTQ activists are trying to force Christianity to conform to them. "At the conclusion of the meeting, the board unanimously approved to 'stop the partnership because of the perceived threats the students’ biblical value system poses to LGBT students.' " Note the only "threat" was stated to be to LGBTQ value system.
Arizona Christian University Blasted By LGBTQ Activist In AZ Elementary School Board Meeting
Arizona Christian University Blasted By LGBTQ Activist In AZ Elementary School Board Meeting
You wrote: "Sodomy is another Biblical word for homosexuality." Sodomy is NOT a biblical word period! Trying to compare that to the theological teaching of "Trinity" does not match. I've never heard or read where anyone stated "Trinity is another Biblical word for...."
"sodomy (n.)
c. 1300, sodomie, "unnatural sexual relations," such as those customs imputed to the inhabitants of Biblical Sodom, especially between men but also with beasts, from Old French sodomie. Compare Late Latin peccatum Sodomiticum "anal sex," literally "the sin of Sodom," from Latin Sodoma. In Middle English also synne Sodomyke (early 14c.)."
"sodomite (n.)
late 14c., "one who practices sodomy," also "resident of biblical Sodom," from Old French Sodomite "inhabitant of Sodom; sodomite," also a general term of abuse, or directly from Late Latin Sodomita, from Greek Sodomitēs "inhabitant of Sodom" (see Sodom, also sodomy).
Related: Sodomitical (1540s), sodometrous (1540s), sodomike (Middle English). Old English had adjective sodomitisc (Coverdale has sodomitish). The alternative noun form sodomist is by 1891; sodomiter is attested 1520s. The King James Bible (1611) has fem. form sodomitesse in a marginal note to "whore" in Deuteronomy xxiii.17."
https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=sodomy
Notice, "sodomy" was coined c.1300.... it is NOT a biblical word, nor is "sodomite" and translations vary as to where the word with today's meaning fits. Notice, the KJV has the marginal note "sodomitess"!
"sodomy (n.)
c. 1300, sodomie, "unnatural sexual relations," such as those customs imputed to the inhabitants of Biblical Sodom, especially between men but also with beasts, from Old French sodomie. Compare Late Latin peccatum Sodomiticum "anal sex," literally "the sin of Sodom," from Latin Sodoma. In Middle English also synne Sodomyke (early 14c.)."
"sodomite (n.)
late 14c., "one who practices sodomy," also "resident of biblical Sodom," from Old French Sodomite "inhabitant of Sodom; sodomite," also a general term of abuse, or directly from Late Latin Sodomita, from Greek Sodomitēs "inhabitant of Sodom" (see Sodom, also sodomy).
Related: Sodomitical (1540s), sodometrous (1540s), sodomike (Middle English). Old English had adjective sodomitisc (Coverdale has sodomitish). The alternative noun form sodomist is by 1891; sodomiter is attested 1520s. The King James Bible (1611) has fem. form sodomitesse in a marginal note to "whore" in Deuteronomy xxiii.17."
https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=sodomy
Notice, "sodomy" was coined c.1300.... it is NOT a biblical word, nor is "sodomite" and translations vary as to where the word with today's meaning fits. Notice, the KJV has the marginal note "sodomitess"!
For years, some Churches and organizations were under the possession of kundalini.
There's a [spirit] most definitely involved with the Asbury Awakening. But I don't think Followers of Christ are supposed to be any part of it. It can't physically harm us but it is all to destroy the image of Christianity.
There's a [spirit] most definitely involved with the Asbury Awakening. But I don't think Followers of Christ are supposed to be any part of it. It can't physically harm us but it is all to destroy the image of Christianity.
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Sodom, the city IS in the Bible. They were committing homosexual acts. Just heard on the news the other night about a young boy that was sodomized. What do you think that means?! We ALL know what it means. So you can song and dance it all you want. The word come from the Biblical town of Sodom where they were committing homosexuals acts. Apparently everyone understands this but you. Whatever name you want to call it, homosexuality is a sin. Simple as that.
I agree. I don't believe Asbury was the start of anything new really; it was simply a new manifestation of forces that have already invaded the body of Christ. The reason more people don't recognize it is because they don't understand the great deception that's already underway in the larger Christian world.
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Apparently Rick Warren, Francis Chan, IHOPKC and others were disinvited from the National Collegiate Day of Prayer at Asbury. Not sure what happened; they were all scheduled to be there. Asbury may have decided they just wanted to continue the whole student led thing. Or they may have not wanted it to turn into a circus; that's one of the main reasons they gave for ending the revival in the first place.
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I found an article that seems to explain what happened:
https://churchleaders.com/news/4457...at-asbury-to-keep-it-free-of-celebrities.html
I know throughout the whole thing Christian celebrities were being turned away. So it was probably a combination of things: 1) They wanted to maintain the student led nature of it; 2) They didn't want it becoming a three-ring circus; 3) It would've been pretty hypocritical of them to turn away some celebrities but allow others.
Warren and the other celebrities were scheduled to be there but it appears the outbreak of the revival changed things. Christian celebrities started showing up and had to be sent packing. After that they pretty much had to send Warren and the others packing. I believe the administrators did want them there but their hands were pretty much tied.
"ChurchLeaders was told that many known worship leaders, musicians, and pastors requested opportunities to lead during the worship services but were turned down by administration. The leadership at Asbury University felt led by the Holy Spirit to keep the event student-led and didn’t want well-known names to distract from what God was doing.
Thursday night was no different. Notable names such as Francis Chan, Rick Warren, and Allen Hood were previously scheduled help lead during the National Collegiate Day of Prayer before the continuous multi-week service broke out. After discussions between Asbury University administration and the National Collegiate Day of Prayer team, they felt it best to continue with the theme of the event being 100% celebrity-free."
https://churchleaders.com/news/4457...at-asbury-to-keep-it-free-of-celebrities.html
I know throughout the whole thing Christian celebrities were being turned away. So it was probably a combination of things: 1) They wanted to maintain the student led nature of it; 2) They didn't want it becoming a three-ring circus; 3) It would've been pretty hypocritical of them to turn away some celebrities but allow others.
Warren and the other celebrities were scheduled to be there but it appears the outbreak of the revival changed things. Christian celebrities started showing up and had to be sent packing. After that they pretty much had to send Warren and the others packing. I believe the administrators did want them there but their hands were pretty much tied.
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