Ukraine the bad guy?

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SomeDisciple

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2ndTimeIsTheCharm said:
Yeah, why is the war dragging on as long as it has? I thought it would only take a few months. But if he's not able to win it quick enough, maybe he should just pack it all in and go home.....
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It's not happening. Russia is never leaving their people in Crimea/donbas. If I were him I wouldn't either.
Either Z-man gives up those territories, or the war goes on forever at our expense... or we elect politicians that will not give them money.
 
cv5

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2ndTimeIsTheCharm said:
If no one helps Ukraine, the people themselves are screwed.
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Not if they don't perish because the war ends. Not if their cities are rebuilt, they have medical supplies and food and power.
Which is exactly what Russia has been doing after driving out UAF from the Donbass and Crimea.
 
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cv5 said:
Not if they don't perish because the war ends. Not if their cities are rebuilt, they have medical supplies and food and power.
Which is exactly what Russia has been doing after driving out UAF from the Donbass and Crimea.
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I'm not sure what you mean. Do you want Ukraine back under Russian control? I mean, if you support that, it isn't bad in itself - I know the benefit of Russia taking back Ukraine (for Russia). But on the flip side I know personally that a lot of Ukrainians don't want to be back under Russian control. And that has it its own benefits to Ukraine, the EU and NATO.

Either way, America should stay out of it. I don't want any soldiers or money or supplies going to either side. I don't believe for a moment that any money or supplies is going to the war on either side. It's being funneled to something(s) else that we don't know about.
 
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2ndTimeIsTheCharm said:
Yeah, why is the war dragging on as long as it has? I thought it would only take a few months. But if he's not able to win it quick enough, maybe he should just pack it all in and go home.....
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas_(2014–2022)

Basically Russia shipped a bunch of people into Donbas region. One part political refugees and part paid rabble rousers meant to destabilize the government. (Just like Soros did with ANTIFA supporters in the USA for the elections....claiming Black lives matter more)

So claiming that Russia is there to liberate Russians in Ukraine....very disingenuous.
They have been after Ukraine for a LONG time.
 
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2ndTimeIsTheCharm said:
I don't pay attention about the smearing on both sides - the propaganda is merely to try to get you to support their side whoever they may be.

All I know is that I don't want America - American's soldiers - to be involved in this war. I don't want any of them dying for either side or wasting our supplies on them.

What a mess this. I really want the Lord to come back soon.
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don't we all...
 
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JohnDB said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas_(2014–2022)

Basically Russia shipped a bunch of people into Donbas region. One part political refugees and part paid rabble rousers meant to destabilize the government. (Just like Soros did with ANTIFA supporters in the USA for the elections....claiming Black lives matter more)

So claiming that Russia is there to liberate Russians in Ukraine....very disingenuous.
They have been after Ukraine for a LONG time.
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Ah! I didn't know about the people that they exported to Ukraine. I DID know they wanted Ukraine. They ALWAYS did since the USSR dissolved.
 
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2ndTimeIsTheCharm said:
I'm not sure what you mean. Do you want Ukraine back under Russian control? I mean, if you support that, it isn't bad in itself - I know the benefit of Russia taking back Ukraine (for Russia). But on the flip side I know personally that a lot of Ukrainians don't want to be back under Russian control. And that has it its own benefits to Ukraine, the EU and NATO.

Either way, America should stay out of it. I don't want any soldiers or money or supplies going to either side. I don't believe for a moment that any money or supplies is going to the war on either side. It's being funneled to something(s) else that we don't know about.
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Control is not the issue. Saving lives and wasting lives is. If I had to choose my dictator he would definitely not be coke head Zman.
 
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SomeDisciple said:
But you know what's NOT a tenet of communism? Suicide by mutually assured destruction. He's not attacking a NATO country- Putin might be a jerk, but he's not a retard.

If Russia is struggling to Crack Ukraine now, how is Putin going to attack an actual NATO country. It doesn't make sense. He doesn't have the opportunity, capability, or intent by the looks of things.
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I don't disagree with you. But you asked why. I gave one possible answer.
 
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cv5 said:
Control is not the issue. Saving lives and wasting lives is. If I had to choose my dictator he would definitely not be coke head Zman.
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I know the propaganda is strong against him, but Ukrainians really do prefer him over Putin. It's not really for us to decide for them.
 
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2ndTimeIsTheCharm said:
I know the propaganda is strong against him, but Ukrainians really do prefer him over Putin. It's not really for us to decide for them.
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We have to fork over hundreds of billions of dollars and have no say? I doubt that's with the State Department and See-eye-aye thinks. Wake up and smell the coffee bro.....
 
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JohnDB said:
So claiming that Russia is there to liberate Russians in Ukraine....very disingenuous.
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Yeah, right- you say this-
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rabble rousers meant to destabilize the government.
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"destabilize the government" !? As if they had a stable government in Ukraine in the first place.

A stable government doesn't have presidents being run out of the country.
A stable government doesn't have MASS military defections.

But we're the "disingenous" ones. ok.
 
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SomeDisciple said:
Yeah, right- you say this-

"destabilize the government" !? As if they had a stable government in Ukraine in the first place.

A stable government doesn't have presidents being run out of the country.
A stable government doesn't have MASS military defections.

But we're the "disingenous" ones. ok.
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Most of what I said is recorded facts that Russia has openly admitted to....it's not exactly a secret. Just ignored open facts.

There's brigades of former Russian Soldiers running around in the northwest area of Ukraine just across the Russian border attacking military targets who say they are not attacking civilians. Putting up youtube videos....they are NOT a part of Zelenski army and they have their own agenda. (Which is why they were exiled to Ukraine from Russia)

They have gone viral with their videos.
"Russian soldiers attacking Russia "

Gotta know the who and the why over there....there's a lot of disinformation and even more cross purpose groups. This isn't American people with American culture and ideals....very different from the movies and anything that you might think.
 
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JohnDB said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas_(2014–2022)

Basically Russia shipped a bunch of people into Donbas region. One part political refugees and part paid rabble rousers meant to destabilize the government. (Just like Soros did with ANTIFA supporters in the USA for the elections....claiming Black lives matter more)

So claiming that Russia is there to liberate Russians in Ukraine....very disingenuous.
They have been after Ukraine for a LONG time.
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All of that happened post "Revolution of Dignity". The government of which was installed by the Nuland/CIA spooks to clear the road to NATO membership. So as far as blame goes.....we are back to square one.
 
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cv5 said:
All of that happened post "Revolution of Dignity". The government of which was installed by the Nuland/CIA spooks to clear the road to NATO membership. So as far as blame goes.....we are back to square one.
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And it all reveals just how hypocritical and twisted and evil the UN is as an organization.

"You people that just did a violent revolution- you guys get everything."

"you people off to the side, that don't want this new government- screw your freedom... they are your overlords. Deal with it".
 
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SomeDisciple said:
And it all reveals just how hypocritical and twisted and evil the UN is as an organization.

"You people that just did a violent revolution- you guys get everything."

"you people off to the side, that don't want this new government- screw your freedom... they are your overlords. Deal with it".
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Herding cats is very frustrating so it is not so hard to understand that eventually they would decide the easiest way to herd them is to kill them all first, then you can scoop them all up with big shovels and put them all together into mass graves.
 
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Gideon300 said:
Russia is pushing Ukraine into this. And yes, Satan is the murderer and the destroyer. And Putin is as destructive to his own people as he is to Ukraine. So what else is new? This is exactly what Russia did in WW2 except at that time they were justified in defending themselves. The way they went about it was horrific. Hitler was a monster but Stalin was in many ways worse. This war could be over today. Putin pulls out. End of conflict.
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So Putin pulls out, do you really think the WEF and NATO are less evil?

This really has nothing to do with Hitler and Stalin.
 
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