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This is a topic I wrestle with πŸ™„ I can't lie to you.
I'm trying to walk out, the kingdom of God in my own relationship with God, and let me tell you, God has been working in my own heart.
I realized how critical a person I was/ am πŸ˜‚ ( let me be honest)
I was "seeking first the kingdom" reading my bible Like a good Christian does, (lol), and I believe the lord called me out! ( you know how a Scripture pops out at you like its calling your name)
Therefore, I checked myself, so I thought.😁
The very next moment finishing the scriptures I just read, a family member of mine came out where I was and did something I thought was stupid ( again Im not going to lie to you)
I sharply rebuked this family member, (Soo.. Not like a good Christian likeπŸ˜‚), and when I tell you the the Holy spirit checked me... πŸ˜….

I know everyone has their own walk with the lord so I won't share my conviction about it exactly but, it was on the line of lean not to your own understanding, and God ways are higher than my own.

So what does that have to do with works? I'm glad you asked!
As I explained, I was reading the word of God and I agreed with what I read, but what I read was not showing in my subconscious beliefs though. Faith without works is dead, but just as important works without faith is dead too. For example if I do the bible study, and I serve, and I teach, doing all that outside of love, I'm just a clanging symbol doing a lot of things making impact for nothing.

We work for a boss

we sow and we reap, but it just might not be what we expected or wanted. If I'm reading these scriptures and doing all these things without God, then what am I doing it with?.. am I doing it with Pride, am I being boastful,.. if I am can I even say I'm serving God. My bible says that I must deny myself pick up my cross and follow him.. πŸ˜… not my opinions.


The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have life and have it abundantly. ( john 10:10)
Unfortunately we can take on the characteristics of the thief even though we say we serve God, I believe we can identify if that's true for us if our fruit is not producing characteristics of God, but of a thief.

When I sharply rebuked my family member based on my opinion, that was wrong I'm not God who am I to say the lord didn't call this person to do what they did? I was proud and arrogant in my opinion, I should have inquired to know more or instead removed myself altogether trusting in the lord for his hand and perfect will in regards to what happens in and round me in this life. Thank you for listening! :3 🐿 please test the spirits, and if you feel lead have a chat with the Holy spirit. Blessings ( excuse any grammar and spelling errors please!)
 

Roughsoul1991

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#2
This is a topic I wrestle with πŸ™„ I can't lie to you.
I'm trying to walk out, the kingdom of God in my own relationship with God, and let me tell you, God has been working in my own heart.
I realized how critical a person I was/ am πŸ˜‚ ( let me be honest)
I was "seeking first the kingdom" reading my bible Like a good Christian does, (lol), and I believe the lord called me out! ( you know how a Scripture pops out at you like its calling your name)
Therefore, I checked myself, so I thought.😁
The very next moment finishing the scriptures I just read, a family member of mine came out where I was and did something I thought was stupid ( again Im not going to lie to you)
I sharply rebuked this family member, (Soo.. Not like a good Christian likeπŸ˜‚), and when I tell you the the Holy spirit checked me... πŸ˜….

I know everyone has their own walk with the lord so I won't share my conviction about it exactly but, it was on the line of lean not to your own understanding, and God ways are higher than my own.

So what does that have to do with works? I'm glad you asked!
As I explained, I was reading the word of God and I agreed with what I read, but what I read was not showing in my subconscious beliefs though. Faith without works is dead, but just as important works without faith is dead too. For example if I do the bible study, and I serve, and I teach, doing all that outside of love, I'm just a clanging symbol doing a lot of things making impact for nothing.

We work for a boss

we sow and we reap, but it just might not be what we expected or wanted. If I'm reading these scriptures and doing all these things without God, then what am I doing it with?.. am I doing it with Pride, am I being boastful,.. if I am can I even say I'm serving God. My bible says that I must deny myself pick up my cross and follow him.. πŸ˜… not my opinions.


The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have life and have it abundantly. ( john 10:10)
Unfortunately we can take on the characteristics of the thief even though we say we serve God, I believe we can identify if that's true for us if our fruit is not producing characteristics of God, but of a thief.

When I sharply rebuked my family member based on my opinion, that was wrong I'm not God who am I to say the lord didn't call this person to do what they did? I was proud and arrogant in my opinion, I should have inquired to know more or instead removed myself altogether trusting in the lord for his hand and perfect will in regards to what happens in and round me in this life. Thank you for listening! :3 🐿 please test the spirits, and if you feel lead have a chat with the Holy spirit. Blessings ( excuse any grammar and spelling errors please!)

So often the critical Christian is a person who is gifted in discernment or one of the teaching gifts.

John 7:24 (ESV)
24 Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.”

They provide criticism which is often right but done in a sinful or prideful way.

So the judgment may be right but like you said without love it just makes the Word of God a single edge sword versue a double edged sword. Instead of cutting in both you and others to divide between truth and error, holy and sin, it instead only cuts everyone else and has not the inner impact to cut into you.

Great words of wisdom.
 
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So often the critical Christian is a person who is gifted in discernment or one of the teaching gifts.

John 7:24 (ESV)
24 Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.”

They provide criticism which is often right but done in a sinful or prideful way.

So the judgment may be right but like you said without love it just makes the Word of God a single edge sword versue a double edged sword. Instead of cutting in both you and others to divide between truth and error, holy and sin, it instead only cuts everyone else and has not the inner impact to cut into you.

Great words of wisdom.
Amen! :)
 
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This had me thinking for a minute, so sorry for the double response 😁:3. I do agree! I feel like there's a perspective of obedience to God that should be noted in my opinion though. I found to be true in my own walk in God so far, sacrifice of what makes sense to my own understanding, like For the situations when Jesus waited longer before going to visit Lazarus when he was sick or when the Israelites had to walk around the walls Jericho to have the victory.
Every instruction that is logical in our own understanding may not be what God wants to do, because of his sovereign will. :3
 

Cameron143

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So often the critical Christian is a person who is gifted in discernment or one of the teaching gifts.

John 7:24 (ESV)
24 Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.”

They provide criticism which is often right but done in a sinful or prideful way.

So the judgment may be right but like you said without love it just makes the Word of God a single edge sword versue a double edged sword. Instead of cutting in both you and others to divide between truth and error, holy and sin, it instead only cuts everyone else and has not the inner impact to cut into you.

Great words of wisdom.
That's a very insightful observation. Gifts are given and we need to learn to wield them to the profit of the body.
 

Roughsoul1991

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This had me thinking for a minute, so sorry for the double response 😁:3. I do agree! I feel like there's a perspective of obedience to God that should be noted in my opinion though. I found to be true in my own walk in God so far, sacrifice of what makes sense to my own understanding, like For the situations when Jesus waited longer before going to visit Lazarus when he was sick or when the Israelites had to walk around the walls Jericho to have the victory.
Every instruction that is logical in our own understanding may not be what God wants to do, because of his sovereign will. :3
So true. God created to be logical thinking beings as we are created in His image. We are to reflect Jesus which is called the Word that became flesh in John 1:1-14. Word in Greek is Logos and logos is where we get the English word for logic. We are to be like Christ, we are to be logical. But His ways are so much higher than our ways and we are only finite beings with limited scope and limited knowledge. For the logical thinking being it can be such a struggle to surrender to the unknown or realm of faith fully trusting in the logic and guidance of the Supreme. It truly is an act of obedience to be content with not knowing all the details but saying I trust that your way is the best way.
 

Roughsoul1991

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That's a very insightful observation. Gifts are given and we need to learn to wield them to the profit of the body.
I agree. They are definitely overlooked by some churches while other church focuses on them as an idol and a tool of deception.
 
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I agree. They are definitely overlooked by some churches while other church focuses on them as an idol and a tool of deception.
Blessings βœ¨πŸ•Š Thanks for the reflection it had me thinking :3, I hope your day today blows your mind with so much favor lol! If not today for sure tomorrow! πŸ˜πŸŒΈπŸ˜„
 

Roughsoul1991

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Blessings βœ¨πŸ•Š Thanks for the reflection it had me thinking :3, I hope your day today blows your mind with so much favor lol! If not today for sure tomorrow! πŸ˜πŸŒΈπŸ˜„
Thank you. God has been moving in ways I was not expecting so that is definitely mind blowing. Hope your day is great as well.