Salvation is for the Whole World

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Magenta said:
Faith is required for salvation. You do have to stop fighting God in order to agree with Him...

Agreeing with God is the essence of repentance. We agree with Him about our state before Him.
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Christ's faith(fulness) and obedience was that which was required to bring salvation to fruition. Our faith is not but comes to us
as a fruit of the Spirit.

[Gal 5:22 KJV] 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
 
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rogerg said:
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And that hearing is spiritual hearing with the heart and not human hearing with the ears. See 1 Co 2:14
To be able to hear spiritually, one must become born-again.
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Was Abraham "born again?"
 
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Magenta said:
A gift we either accept or reject .:D
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Nope. Once given, the heart, mind, and spirit become changed by God. Didn't you grasp the verse you included (Deut 30:6)?
 
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rogerg said:
Nope. Once given, the heart, mind, and spirit become changed by God. Didn't you grasp the verse you included (Deut 30:6)?
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Deut 30:6 says so that you MAY, not, so you won't have a choice whether or not to.


Deuteronomy 30:6~ The LORD your God will circumcise your hearts and the hearts of your descendants, so that you may love Him with all your heart and with all your soul, and live.
 
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VARob said:
No. Nobody was born again until the day of Pentecost.
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Yes, they were - everyone becomes saved the same way - through Christ. The day of Pentecost signified the beginning
of the "latter rain". The Holy Spirit was within and active in those saved even before Pentecost.
 
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Magenta said:
Deut 30:6 says so that you MAY, not, so you won't have a choice whether or not to.


Deuteronomy 30:6~ The LORD your God will circumcise your hearts and the hearts of your descendants, so that you may love Him with all your heart and with all your soul, and live.
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[Deu 30:6 KJV] 6 And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.
 
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[Deu 30:6 KJV] 6 And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed,
to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.
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Yes. You will live if you hear and believe, and you will *perish if you reject and do not believe.

*meaning in the second death.
 
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The scripture says Abraham believed God and it was counted to him as righteousness. It doesn't say God made Abraham righteous and then he was able to believe God.
 
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How do you figure that? When did he become born again?
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Only God knows the moment He makes someone born-again, however, that it has/had occurred is evident by one's actions.
Abraham's actions were replete with those of someone who has been born-again
 
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rogerg said:
Yes, they were - everyone becomes saved the same way - through Christ.
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That's false. OT believers were saved by faith in God, and they had to demonstrate their faith by keeping the law.

The day of Pentecost signified the beginning of the "latter rain".
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"Latter rain" refers to literal rains that came towards the end of their growing season.

The Holy Spirit was within and active in those saved even before Pentecost.
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God put the Holy Spirit on SOME believers in the OT, but not on everyone. Since Pentecost, EVERY Christian is born of the Holy Spirit.
 
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Magenta said:
Yes. You will live if you hear and believe, and you will *perish if you reject and do not believe.

*meaning in the second death.
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Again, you take inappropriate liberties with the verse. It doesn't say what you've added to it. It says
that it is all of God, not man. And if of God then it CANNOT be of man
 
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rogerg said:
Only God knows the moment He makes someone born-again...
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The Bible tells us in Eph 1:13.

Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
 
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rogerg said:
Again, you take inappropriate liberties with the verse. It doesn't say what you've added to it. It says
that it is all of God, not man. And if of God then it CANNOT be of man
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It is called line by line and precept by precept and is the principle given by God in Scripture.

What you are saying is nonsense, since your claim becomes one of God accepting for you.

Anything other than that you insistently interpret as a work.

Which you then claim nullifies grace.
 
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VARob said:
That's false. OT believers were saved by faith in God, and they had to demonstrate their faith by keeping the law.


"Latter rain" refers to literal rains that came towards the end of their growing season.


God put the Holy Spirit on SOME believers in the OT, but not on everyone. Since Pentecost, EVERY Christian is born of the Holy Spirit.
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As a symbol of God's salvation plan.

It is not false No one has ever been saved by keeping the law

[Heb 10:4 KJV] 4 For [it is] not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

[Heb 7:19 KJV] 19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope [did]; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
 
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VARob said:
The Bible tells us in Eph 1:13.

Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
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[Eph 1:11 KJV] 11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
 
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rogerg said:
It is not false No one has ever been saved by keeping the law
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Deut 6:25 And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us.
 
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