And Moreover I Saw Under The Sun The Place Of Judgment,

[Nehemiah6]

“Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.” Ecclesiastes‬ ‭12:7‬ His conclusion is well said when the narrative ends

Even this is inaccurate. The same Hebrew word ruach can be translated as either breath or spirit, depending on the context.
Strong's Concordance
ruach: breath, wind, spirit
Original Word: רוּחַ
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: ruach
Phonetic Spelling: (roo'-akh)
Definition: breath, wind, spirit

Here the word "breath" would be more suitable, and when a person dies God takes away their breath, and they stop breathing. But at the time this was written all souls and spirits went to Sheol/Hades, not back to God. After the resurrection of Christ, the souls and spirits of the saints go directly to Heaven. But the unsaved still go to Hades.

The cults love Ecclesiastes since they can manufacture their bizarre doctrines from what is in this book. For Christians it is an object lesson in how the natural man has no clue about spiritual things.

 

[Magenta]

Ah, yes, a time to style hair using salad bowls.

... and a time to update my Ecclesiastes 3:1-8 panel .

Ecclesiastes 3:1-8

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Even this is inaccurate. The same Hebrew word ruach can be translated as either breath or spirit, depending on the context.
Strong's Concordance
ruach: breath, wind, spirit
Original Word: רוּחַ
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: ruach
Phonetic Spelling: (roo'-akh)
Definition: breath, wind, spirit

Here the word "breath" would be more suitable, and when a person dies God takes away their breath, and they stop breathing. But at the time this was written all souls and spirits went to Sheol/Hades, not back to God. After the resurrection of Christ, the souls and spirits of the saints go directly to Heaven. But the unsaved still go to Hades.

The cults love Ecclesiastes since they can manufacture their bizarre doctrines from what is in this book. For Christians it is an object lesson in how the natural man has no clue about spiritual things.

Honestly you seem to correct everything on the bible at times brother it's almost like we can be so wise that even scripture needs to fit our own wisdom rather than create it

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I remember those haircuts

I've seen em come and go lol crew cuts to bowl cuts to mullets to flock of seagulls lol hippies preppies greasers socials haha haircute bit there's a gauge for time

 

[Cameron143]

I've seen em come and go lol crew cuts to bowl cuts to mullets to flock of seagulls lol hippies preppies greasers socials haha haircute bit there's a gauge for time

You left out the Mohawk and the ever popular Friar Tuck.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Honestly you seem to correct everything on the bible at times brother it's almost like we can be so wise that even scripture needs to fit our own wisdom rather than create it

Do you mind telling me what is incorrect with what I posted? If not then there is no need for such remarks.

 

[Magenta]

I've seen em come and go lol crew cuts to bowl cuts to mullets to flock of seagulls lol
hippies preppies greasers socials haha haircute bit there's a gauge for time

Hair (Cowsills Live)


I want it long, straight, curly, fuzzy
Snaggy, shaggy, ratsy, matsy
Oily, greasy, fleecy
Shining, gleaming, streaming
Flaxen, waxen
Knotted, polka-dotted
Twisted, beaded, braided
Powdered, flowered, and confettied
Bangled, tangled, spangled, and spaghettied!

 

[Snacks]

I think the understanding is that if a man's life does not somehow connect to the life of God, it is lived in the same way a beast relates to God: as merely a created being. Animals were created thus. Man was created for so much more.

God loves humans and animals alike.
Psalm 36 😊❤️

 

[Cameron143]

God loves humans and animals alike.
Psalm 36 😊❤️

Of course that's right. But while dogs were created to be man's best friend, man was created to be God's best friend.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Of course that's right. But while dogs were created to be man's best friend, man was created to be God's best friend.

Woof !

 

[Pilgrimshope]

You left out the Mohawk and the ever popular Friar Tuck.

Friar tuck lol I had one of those in the early seventies never had a Mohawk though

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Do you mind telling me what is incorrect with what I posted? If not then there is no need for such remarks.

what I’m saying is you seem to redefine the Bible often of it’s something you don’t agree with.

Like the book of Ecclesiastes the Bible says Solomon was the wisest man ever to live until Christ , yet your explaining all these things as to why it’s foolishness

you’ve somehow come to a conclusion that Solomon came to a conclusion “ there’s no difference in a beast and man “ but that’s not at all what the book concludes

to make your point relevant as often happens here we try to redefine what’s there to fit our interpretation “ this isn’t the right word it should be this other word “

The redefining of the Bible is what I was saying Ecclesiastes has to be read as a whole poem or narrative or n order to make any sense plucking this or that verse out and trying to redefine what a single word should be according to you

arhat doesn’t change what the book is about of what it concludes or that it’s perfect to relate to doctrine

 

[Nehemiah6]

what I’m saying is you seem to redefine the Bible often of it’s something you don’t agree with.

What you fail to understand is that everything should be consistent with Bible truth and Gospel truth. Although the Bible records many false statements and even lies, that does not mean we should automatically swallow them. Ecclesiastes says that there is no difference between men and beasts. Is this true or false? If it is false then it should be rejected, even though it is recorded in Scripture. I could give you a dozen or more false statements from this book, since the purpose of this book is to show Christians the mind-set of those who have no clue about spiritual matters.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

What you fail to understand is that everything should be consistent with Bible truth and Gospel truth. Although the Bible records many false statements and even lies, that does not mean we should automatically swallow them. Ecclesiastes says that there is no difference between men and beasts. Is this true or false? If it is false then it should be rejected, even though it is recorded in Scripture. I could give you a dozen or more false statements from this book, since the purpose of this book is to show Christians the mind-set of those who have no clue about spiritual matters.

i don’t fail to understand truth because I disagree with you sometimes , you aren’t the baseline for truth brother the Bible is

We are just two guys that know a little bit of it and don’t understand it all and don’t always agree . two little fellers in a big pond

 

[cv5]

No one should base their theology on the book of Ecclesiastes. This is where the cults get their bizarre doctrines.

Caution is indeed merited. One needs a deft hand and maturity when dealing with that particular book. Manhandling it is big trouble.

 

[VARob]

What you fail to understand is that everything should be consistent with Bible truth and Gospel truth. Although the Bible records many false statements and even lies, that does not mean we should automatically swallow them. Ecclesiastes says that there is no difference between men and beasts. Is this true or false? If it is false then it should be rejected, even though it is recorded in Scripture. I could give you a dozen or more false statements from this book, since the purpose of this book is to show Christians the mind-set of those who have no clue about spiritual matters.

Where did you pick THAT up from?

...I'll answer your other post to me later. Stuff to do..

 

[Nehemiah6]

Interesting... So parts of the Bible are not true for you?

Now you should tell us -- IN THE LIGHT OF GOSPEL TRUTH -- whether any of these statements are true:

1: 2 Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity.

1: 9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

2:20 Therefore I went about to cause my heart to despair of all the labour which I took under the sun.

3:18 I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.

3:20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

6: 6 Yea, though he live a thousand years twice told, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?

6:12 For who knoweth what is good for man in this life, all the days of his vain life which he spendeth as a shadow? for who can tell a man what shall be after him under the sun?

7:3 Sorrow is better than laughter: for by the sadness of the countenance the heart is made better.

9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten

 

[SilverFox7]

“Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.”
‭‭Ecclesiastes‬ ‭12:13-14‬ ‭

I heard a fascinating sermon from a pastor/seminary professor on the final verses of Ecclesiastes. From his point of view, Solomon did not write these. It was a Godly narrative from later scribes/priests summing up the destructive human nature tendencies towards greed and excess, which summarized Solomon's reign in several ways.

Unlike his father, David, Solomon lived in excess and took materialism and sensuality to an extreme. King David repented of his failings; there is no indication his son ever did.

If nothing else, at least Solomon honestly documented the false doctrine that wealth and pleasure lead to happiness...

 

[SilverFox7]

Now you should tell us -- IN THE LIGHT OF GOSPEL TRUTH -- whether any of these statements are true:

1: 2 Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity.

1: 9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

2:20 Therefore I went about to cause my heart to despair of all the labour which I took under the sun.

3:18 I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.

3:20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

6: 6 Yea, though he live a thousand years twice told, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?

6:12 For who knoweth what is good for man in this life, all the days of his vain life which he spendeth as a shadow? for who can tell a man what shall be after him under the sun?

7:3 Sorrow is better than laughter: for by the sadness of the countenance the heart is made better.

9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten

Great point, Nehemiah. There are some "off-the-wall" interpretations of Ecclesiastes, and I have had some church attendees trump up some weird ideas from this important addition to the OT canon. From a Christian point of view, we need to keep in mind Solomon was documenting his experiential lifestyle from a secular perspective. Unlike David, he did not set his heart on the Eternal.

Yes, during his reign, Jerusalem reached the height of its financial and infrastructure success; unfortunately, it was also in a moral mud slide that is well documented after Solomon's reign. Although Solomon was worldy-wise and prosperous, scripture does not put a positive light on his immoral leadership.

 

[VARob]

Now you should tell us -- IN THE LIGHT OF GOSPEL TRUTH -- whether any of these statements are true:

Of course they're true, once you understand the perspective from which they are written. Solomon was a king who "had it all." He had wisdom from God, wealth beyond measure, 700 wives and concubines, and even though he did many ungodly things in his life, he came to realize that without God and the promise of everlasting life, everything he had basically counted for nothing.

1: 2 Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity.

See above.

1: 9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

That's basically true. There is nothing new. Things get recycled and happen at different times and in different ways, but nothing is really new.

2:20 Therefore I went about to cause my heart to despair of all the labour which I took under the sun.

See above. All of Solomon's wealth, wisdom, and accomplishments, without God, are basically worthless.

3:18 I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.

3:20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

6: 6 Yea, though he live a thousand years twice told, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?

6:12 For who knoweth what is good for man in this life, all the days of his vain life which he spendeth as a shadow? for who can tell a man what shall be after him under the sun?

Because you believe that the human soul is immortal, you cannot accept that those statements are true. No part of a human being is immortal. There is no "immortal soul." What happens to both men and animals at death is the same. They die, and cease to exist. People who die will not exist again until they are resurrected by God.

7:3 Sorrow is better than laughter: for by the sadness of the countenance the heart is made better.

That's also true. We generally learn more, our heart is made better, from negative experiences in life than from being "happy."

9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten

That is absolutely true. The New Testament did not change the definition or understanding of death. Dead people know nothing, their emotions have perished (Ecc 9:6), there is "no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave" (Ecc 9:10). The dead cannot praise the Lord (Ps 6:5; 49:12; 115:17; and many more). Our hope is in resurrection, not in dying.

I know how you respond to people who have beliefs that you personally do not hold... You will accuse me of being in a cult. Go for it.