how did Satan manage to appear as a snake.

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Happy_hobnob

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pottersclay said:
Lets remember GOD is relaying this to moses. This is how GOD saw the deceiver should be considered.
As a snake in the grass. A serpent..(cold blooded). This was before the fall of man.
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The scripture clearly say it was a living creature, that spoke to eve, more cunning than any creature, so how can we say it was talking snake ?.
 
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Cameron143 said:
Man is still under a curse of death. The proof is that he still dies. Men still earn a living by the sweat of their brow. Women still travail in childbirth. The Apostle Paul said the whole creation still groans.
I added the part about passing from spiritual death to life because this aspect of the curse has been removed for Christians, but the other aspects have not been removed yet.

If the concern for your friend is his eternal estate, faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. Read scripture with him.
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Correct...paul said o death where is your sting...the fear of death is gone but as we know JESUSl conquers death.
 
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pottersclay said:
Maxwel i need you to elaborate a bit on this....Jesus said that he is the alpha and omega.
God the father is the great I Am.
Ive always held to the belief that all that has beem written has already passed as far as God is concerned.
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I agree that God knows the future from the past, but these are hard issues, and it's not required for the brethren to agree on "how" everything in God's supernatural realm occurs. But I'll try to explain my view.


God's Eternality:
* We have to agree that God is eternal.
- However, there are different ways in which God could be eternal in relation to time.
- God could be "timeless" in some way that he is beyond time, or he could be "infinite" in the sense he exists throughout infinite time.
- So he could be "timeless", or he could exist in "infinite time", or he could exist in some combination.

- Since we're not God, all we can do is take scripture, logic, and science, and sort of give it our best reasonable hypothesis. We can and should think about God, and there is much we can understand... but ultimately there will also be much we cannot.


God's Knowledge in Relation to Time:
* We have to agree God knows all things.
* We have to agree God knows the future.
* We have to agree that, if he knows all things, and knows the future, then he also knew these "all things" from the distant past (It's both scriptural and logical.)
- However, there are different ways in which God could know the future from the past.
- God could (on a B Theory of Time) simply experience all points in time simultaneously, or whenever he pleases, because on this theory all points in time exist perpetually, and never cease to exist. They are always just "there."
- God could (on an A Theory of Time) simply THINK about the future, and simply KNOW it, because he is omniscient. An omniscient being should have no necessity to EXPERIENCE the future in order to KNOW the future... it just isn't necessary. He would just know.

Conclusion:
- I completely agree (and doctrine necessitates) that God knows all things, and that he knows the future from the past.
- However, if a being is omniscient, then he doesn't need to experience the future (live through it) in order to know it.
- If God is omniscient, he doesn't need to experience the future (live through it) in order to call it set, or call it finished.
- If God is omniscient, then he should have the ability to simply know the future.
- I believe that has been the traditional view, that God simply knows all things, and therefore he knows the future.
- We can be orthodox, and still disagree on "how" God knows the future. However, although the "B Theory of Time" is not precluded in scripture, I also don't believe it is supported. The traditional view of time, to the best of my understanding, is the view that seems to be the one supported in scripture.


God Bless.

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pottersclay

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Happy_hobnob said:
The scripture clearly say it was a living creature, that spoke to eve, more cunning than any creature, so how can we say it was talking snake ?.
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What i am saying is it could also be a expression GOD used.
My grandmother use to say drunk as a skunk....ever see a drunk skunk?
God may have been using his way of depicting how he saw it. Just a thought🤔
 
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Pilgrimshope said:
I’m sorry I forget normal things a lot lol

“There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:28‬ ‭KJV‬‬
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cooeyyyyyy thanks dear as a result of your great point of view my friend is completely back to the normal, he's started to look at things differently now, I can't thankyou enough.
 
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maxwel said:
I agree that God knows the future from the past, but these are hard issues, and it's not required for the brethren to agree on "how" everything in God's supernatural realm occurs. But I'll try to explain my view.


God's Eternality:
* We have to agree that God is eternal.
- However, there are different ways in which God could be eternal in relation to time.
- God could be "timeless" in some way that he is beyond time, or he could be "infinite" in the sense he exists throughout infinite time.
- So he could be "timeless", or he could exist in "infinite time", or he could exist in some combination.

- Since we're not God, all we can do is take scripture, logic, and science, and sort of give it our best reasonable hypothesis. We can and should think about God, and there is much we can understand... but ultimately there will also be much we cannot.


God's Knowledge in Relation to Time:
* We have to agree God knows all things.
* We have to agree God knows the future.
* We have to agree that, if he knows all things, and knows the future, then he also knew these "all things" from the distant past (It's both scriptural and logical.)
- However, there are different ways in which God could know the future from the past.
- God could (on a B Theory of Time) simply experience all points in time simultaneously, or whenever he pleases, because on this theory all points in time exist perpetually, and never cease to exist. They are always just "there."
- God could (on an A Theory of Time) simply THINK about the future, and simply KNOW it, because he is omniscient. An omniscient being should have no necessity to EXPERIENCE the future in order to KNOW the future... it just isn't necessary. He would just know.

Conclusion:
- I completely agree (and doctrine necessitates) that God knows all things, and that he knows the future from the past.
- However, if a being is omniscient, then he doesn't need to experience the future (live through it) in order to know it.
- If God is omniscient, he doesn't need to experience the future (live through it) in order to call it set, or call it finished.
- If God is omniscient, then he should have the ability to simply know the future.
- I believe that has been the traditional view, that God simply knows all things, and therefore he knows the future.
- We can be orthodox, and still disagree on "how" God knows the future. However, although the "B Theory of Time" is not precluded in scripture, I also don't believe it is supported. The traditional view of time, to the best of my understanding, is the view that seems to be the one supported in scripture.


God Bless.

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I completely agree with you ....thanks saint☺
 
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maxwel said:
The traditional view of time, to the best of my understanding, is the view that seems to be the one supported in scripture.
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Or at least the one God utilizes in Scripture.
 
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It is completely acceptable to describe three dimensional things with two dimensions (eg. TV)
God can use simplifications as well.
 
Bob-Carabbio

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Happy_hobnob said:
Hi all I'm not really interested about this, but my friends brother needs help, I'm very concerned at the moment,.

Can Satan manipulate matter to appear as anything he likes,

He's invincible, but does that mean he manipulates dark matter, to clone and mimick fresh air ? or anything or any person or animal, so much so you would think it was a real snake.

He can appear as light, but does that mean he manipulates matter to clone and mimick light,
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What makes you think that a "Serpent" in Eden was a "snake" before it was cursed??
 
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Bob-Carabbio said:
What makes you think that a "Serpent" in Eden was a "snake" before it was cursed??
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What else would it be? Obviously it probably had legs since it was cursed to crawl on its belly after the fall.
 
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