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What Is your political party affiliation?

  • I'm a Republican.

  • I'm a Democrat.

  • I'm an Independent.

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Gojira

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#41
I don't want fascism either.
I don't believe in those governments either.
Don't want Marxism, or some other "ism".

A Monarchy where the king actually cares about the people of the country.

We will always have rich vx poor...but the poor and the wealthy get an equal voice when speaking with the King.

And there is freedom in a monarchy. More than with a democracy. The government is small....very small. Not intrusive. The citizens actually love their king and support him. Most are more concerned about their gardens and dinner table than what the government is doing or changing this year with officials trying to prove their worth.

It's a very very different type of system.

Currently we have plutocrats of Blackrock, Vanguard and etc literally writing all policies of our government with the politicians giving lip service and pandering to the people so they can get re-elected. The media outlets are owned and operated by these plutocrats...to sway public opinion. Then there's the conspiracy theorists with ludicrous ideas who peddle fear and nonsense for money.
None of this exists in a monarchy. It's not allowed.
Hmm... I suspect the American colonists would have something to say in response.
 

JohnDB

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Hmm... I suspect the American colonists would have something to say in response.
Probably so....
Same thing with the Founding Father's and Framers of the Constitution.

But they were experiencing a plutocrat king who absolutely did not care one whit about anything except himself. Most certainly not concerned with the colonies here in America.
I've read Benjamin Franklin's autobiography. It was extremely enlightening as to why America declared independence from Britain. The Colonies were giving George vast sums of wealth through taxes and in return the Colonies got the "red headed step child" treatment.
The "protection" of soldiers as requested by the colonists were nothing more than extortion thugs...they had no provisions or money to purchase them. And they did nothing to patrol the aggressive indigenous population or bands of bandits roaming about. And when Benjamin himself supplied the soldiers with provisions he was entitled to seek reimbursement from the royal treasury. (As was the custom and law) There were regular ships going back and forth from Europe to America and back....kinda like catching a bus ride.

When he got to England it took months of waiting to get audience with the King. (The king didn't want to see him and tried to ignore him) He eventually got paid but his (and many others) descriptions of the army's behavior was blatantly ignored.
 

Ted01

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#44
Yes... France killed her kings and because of the nature of their revolutionary philosophy, fell into dictatorship. The nature of our revolution resulted in the freest and most successful nation-state on earth.

You want pure fascism? There are plenty of dictatorships that would be glad to have you and nothing is stopping you from realizing your dream.
How do you define success and free?
 

I_am_Canadian

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I am a Christian, I am a member of The Christian Heritage Party of Canada.
 

Gojira

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#46
Probably so....
Same thing with the Founding Father's and Framers of the Constitution.

But they were experiencing a plutocrat king who absolutely did not care one whit about anything except himself. Most certainly not concerned with the colonies here in America.
I've read Benjamin Franklin's autobiography. It was extremely enlightening as to why America declared independence from Britain. The Colonies were giving George vast sums of wealth through taxes and in return the Colonies got the "red headed step child" treatment.
The "protection" of soldiers as requested by the colonists were nothing more than extortion thugs...they had no provisions or money to purchase them. And they did nothing to patrol the aggressive indigenous population or bands of bandits roaming about. And when Benjamin himself supplied the soldiers with provisions he was entitled to seek reimbursement from the royal treasury. (As was the custom and law) There were regular ships going back and forth from Europe to America and back....kinda like catching a bus ride.

When he got to England it took months of waiting to get audience with the King. (The king didn't want to see him and tried to ignore him) He eventually got paid but his (and many others) descriptions of the army's behavior was blatantly ignored.
Yeah, umm.. a lot of kings did things their subjects did not like. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Our Lord warned the ancient Jews about this, and they demanded a king anyway. The founders used that reference as one of their reasons to keep royalty out of the American experience.

I can't believe we got people here actually thinking a monarchy's a good form of government.
 

Ted01

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Well, you're the one who used the concepts of freedom and success, as we know them in the US, as something which to glory in... distinctions that separate "us" from "them"... as if they somehow elevate our quality of existence?

I was just wondering how substantial you thought that they were? If they might be merely subjective...? I mean the Apostles were living under a harsh governmental system way back then, yet they seemed content with their lot in life, right?
 

JohnDB

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Yeah, umm.. a lot of kings did things their subjects did not like. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Our Lord warned the ancient Jews about this, and they demanded a king anyway. The founders used that reference as one of their reasons to keep royalty out of the American experience.

I can't believe we got people here actually thinking a monarchy's a good form of government.
Yep and I'm one of them.

Exactly what type of governance do you think there will be in Heaven? It certainly won't be Democratic or even a republic...not communist either....
 

I_am_Canadian

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Yeah, umm.. a lot of kings did things their subjects did not like. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Our Lord warned the ancient Jews about this, and they demanded a king anyway. The founders used that reference as one of their reasons to keep royalty out of the American experience.

I can't believe we got people here actually thinking a monarchy's a good form of government.
What about King David, King Solomon and Queen Esther?? Your forgetting that any politician or leader that is not subject to Christ is subject to corruption and evil.

Let us never forget their is no perfect leader out there, but the ideal leader should always be a born again Christian who walks in truth, righteousness and integrity.
 

Gojira

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#51
Well, you're the one who used the concepts of freedom and success, as we know them in the US, as something which to glory in... distinctions that separate "us" from "them"... as if they somehow elevate our quality of existence?

I was just wondering how substantial you thought that they were? If they might be merely subjective...? I mean the Apostles were living under a harsh governmental system way back then, yet they seemed content with their lot in life, right?
Paul was. But, would you want to live under the ancient Roman Empire?
 

Gojira

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#52
Yep and I'm one of them.

Exactly what type of governance do you think there will be in Heaven? It certainly won't be Democratic or even a republic...not communist either....
Wow. This is actually your response?!? There's a believer out there to whom I need to explain this????

Our American system is in place BECAUSE of the sinful nature. It uses sinful ambition to check sinful ambition. Separation of powers, conceived by Montesquieu, is in place for this very purpose. So are all the other divisions and subdivisions of power within the American system. It is because they knew that because of our sinful nature, the three branches of power cannot exist in one person or body of persons. Ugh.

Monarchy was frowned on by God -- you know this, right? Well, perhaps you don't -- because He knows the sinful human heart, and how wicked it would become when unchecked by fear of retribution -- which a king has the luxury of.
 

Gojira

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#53
What about King David, King Solomon and Queen Esther?? Your forgetting that any politician or leader that is not subject to Christ is subject to corruption and evil.

Let us never forget their is no perfect leader out there, but the ideal leader should always be a born again Christian who walks in truth, righteousness and integrity.
The exception does not disprove the rule -- a rule that not just America's founders, but that God Himself made a clear point of to the ancient Jews when they demanded a king.

Unbelievable.
 

Lynx

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How do you define success and free?
That's actually a quite cogent, relevant question in this discussion. With any two people in the same situation, one might consider it a success and the other might consider it a failure, depending on what each person wants.

America is a raging success by many standards, and many people are trying to get into America because of this. But there are other places that are successful in other ways, ways that depend on other definitions of success.
 

I_am_Canadian

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Paul was. But, would you want to live under the ancient Roman Empire?
Well I don
The exception does not disprove the rule -- a rule that not just America's founders, but that God Himself made a clear point of to the ancient Jews when they demanded a king.

Unbelievable.
Yeah, but in today's society do you want ungodly leaders elected ungodly people or a king and queen with the fear of God?
 

JohnDB

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Wow. This is actually your response?!? There's a believer out there to whom I need to explain this????

Our American system is in place BECAUSE of the sinful nature. It uses sinful ambition to check sinful ambition. Separation of powers, conceived by Montesquieu, is in place for this very purpose. So are all the other divisions and subdivisions of power within the American system. It is because they knew that because of our sinful nature, the three branches of power cannot exist in one person or body of persons. Ugh.

Monarchy was frowned on by God -- you know this, right? Well, perhaps you don't -- because He knows the sinful human heart, and how wicked it would become when unchecked by fear of retribution -- which a king has the luxury of.
Do you believe the prophet Daniel?

You know....the Old Testament Prophet of God's in Nebachadnezzar's court as an advisor....the one who created a Banking system that is still utilized today?

I do. And the focal passage has nothing to do with future prophesy.

Daniel said: "God sets up leaders or deposes them"

Either you believe it or you don't. There is no "well, kinda" or "sometimes ". It's either true to you or it isn't. Just like a simple light switch....on or off.

God sets up our governments for our benefit. (Paul said this)

Jesus told Pilate that he wouldn't have any power/authority unless God the Father gave it to him.

So....you either believe or you don't.
And if you don't believe what are you proselytizing?
 
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What about King David, King Solomon and Queen Esther?? Your forgetting that any politician or leader that is not subject to Christ is subject to corruption and evil.

Let us never forget their is no perfect leader out there, but the ideal leader should always be a born again Christian who walks in truth, righteousness and integrity.
Mike pence
 

Cameron143

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Do you believe the prophet Daniel?

You know....the Old Testament Prophet of God's in Nebachadnezzar's court as an advisor....the one who created a Banking system that is still utilized today?

I do. And the focal passage has nothing to do with future prophesy.

Daniel said: "God sets up leaders or deposes them"

Either you believe it or you don't. There is no "well, kinda" or "sometimes ". It's either true to you or it isn't. Just like a simple light switch....on or off.

God sets up our governments for our benefit. (Paul said this)

Jesus told Pilate that he wouldn't have any power/authority unless God the Father gave it to him.

So....you either believe or you don't.
And if you don't believe what are you proselytizing?
What you've written as far as scripture is correct, but the application you have made doesn't necessarily follow.
In general government is good because it creates order. But not everything done is good.
God does oversee the rise and fall of governments, but He does that within, very often, the free choices of men.
And, this is just my opinion, but I believe Daniel would have voted given the choice.
 
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I'm not American and the political system in my country is quite different, but I voted Democrat on the poll which is probably the closest thing to it.