Ellen White is just some Republican.

[Flannery]

Have you ever thought about that? I recently got good and started on a free collection of her works available for iPhone (free, conveniently enough). I'd heard conspiratorial whispers before form the usual pastoral suspects about a female speaker in evangelical settings, but when I looked at it all I found was a Civil War Era child education theorist who also wrote on basic Kosher, and had a textbook she was selling for the schools that covered Crusader Era anti War protests In Europe and tried to link it to the new United States, then embroiled in the immediate aftermath of 1812-14 and having domestic violence issues over the Lincoln-Davis split.

I don't see why that's prophetic at all, if anyone wants to help me out, she was definitely no more religious than anyone else of the time, and in the Victorian Age religion was a lot more popular than it is today. Even judged strictly as a woman of letters, she isn't more prolific than the rest of her contemporaries. Harriet Beecher Stowe is a lot more influential, and Charlotte Perkins Gilman is more "collegiate".

Does anyone want to let me in on the whys and wherefore of the big, huge giant Big Issue? I do realize that she wrote an early psychology book, hot button matter I know.

Thoughts welcome.

 

[HopeinHim98]

Have you ever thought about that? I recently got good and started on a free collection of her works available for iPhone (free, conveniently enough). I'd heard conspiratorial whispers before form the usual pastoral suspects about a female speaker in evangelical settings, but when I looked at it all I found was a Civil War Era child education theorist who also wrote on basic Kosher, and had a textbook she was selling for the schools that covered Crusader Era anti War protests In Europe and tried to link it to the new United States, then embroiled in the immediate aftermath of 1812-14 and having domestic violence issues over the Lincoln-Davis split.

I don't see why that's prophetic at all, if anyone wants to help me out, she was definitely no more religious than anyone else of the time, and in the Victorian Age religion was a lot more popular than it is today. Even judged strictly as a woman of letters, she isn't more prolific than the rest of her contemporaries. Harriet Beecher Stowe is a lot more influential, and Charlotte Perkins Gilman is more "collegiate".

Does anyone want to let me in on the whys and wherefore of the big, huge giant Big Issue? I do realize that she wrote an early psychology book, hot button matter I know.

Thoughts welcome.

She has a lot of teachings, much of it false doctrine. A man named William Miller thought he had calculated Jesus to return in Oct. 1844. When it didn't happen after all, they went through what they now call the "Great Disappointment." A then young, I believe teenage Ellen claimed she had a vision which explained the mistake: no, Jesus wasn't returning to earth in Oct 1844. He was going into the heavenly Most Holy Place to finish the work of atonement. This is the pillar of the Adventist faith, and a careful study of Hebrews proves it wrong. This is one amongst many of her false teachings, which include annihilation, encouraging veganism, and more. If you're a good Berean, you'll soon pick up on the false teachings in her books.

 

[Flannery]

Yeah, 1844 is big. Post grad Humanities centered on it, due to the fact that Karl Marx published "The Communist Manifesto" that year. Miller was an army veteran who had gotten into some rather rotten mud near Toronto during the war, and like many American war survivors also turned to religion and expressed his thanks to God that he had survived combat.

Bible math is very...I won't comment. Issaac Newton did a very lot of that and wrote on middle east current (for his time) events as well as writing a book of commentary on the prophet Daniel. I definitely see White as an American woman of letters in the tradition of Abigail Adams, she and Miller were both on the margins of any English academic discourse around science, but still, I'd put that mostly at still simmering political animosity over Cromwell, whom Newton fought with Charles the Second, as it effected early Republic relations with Britian.

Anyway, who cares' if she was good at science? She totally presented herself as a school marm of religious morals, much more interested in character development than arithmetic.

 

[Artios1]

Never heard of her ....I am assuming no relation to Reggie White

 

[Cameron143]

Never heard of her ....I am assuming no relation to Reggie White

She never learned how to perfect the bull rush so her sports career was cut short.

 

[gb9]

Never heard of her ....I am assuming no relation to Reggie White

she and a couple of other dudes founded the 7th day advent church.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

She has a lot of teachings, much of it false doctrine. A man named William Miller thought he had calculated Jesus to return in Oct. 1844. When it didn't happen after all, they went through what they now call the "Great Disappointment." A then young, I believe teenage Ellen claimed she had a vision which explained the mistake: no, Jesus wasn't returning to earth in Oct 1844. He was going into the heavenly Most Holy Place to finish the work of atonement. This is the pillar of the Adventist faith, and a careful study of Hebrews proves it wrong. This is one amongst many of her false teachings, which include annihilation, encouraging veganism, and more. If you're a good Berean, you'll soon pick up on the false teachings in her books.

You're a smart lady, my friend.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

Teachings of Seventh Day Adventists

If anyone online in the forum disagrees with any teachings above, feel free to correct. I understand that, like any denomination, there's going to be differences among various fellowships and churches.

 

[HopeinHim98]

You're a smart lady, my friend.

I've had a lot of exposure to Adventism.

 

[Flannery]

Teachings of Seventh Day Adventists

If anyone online in the forum disagrees with any teachings above, feel free to correct. I understand that, like any denomination, there's going to be differences among various fellowships and churches.

One of the major problems with the modern Humanist movement that was emerging in the time of Ellen White is the extreme atomization of society in scholarship and letters that goes with it. The movement also included the emergence of the modern novel, led by Daniel Defoe, which led to shelves upon shelves of slushy, overlong rambles about speculative space travel for example by introspective "modern sensitives" who valued their inner thoughts awfully highly and produced long serial chapter books of ten or twenty episodes measuring in at up to two inches thick a piece.

Looking at life and letters, I suppose that one good sensible thing to say about this problem is that some people just have too much money and leisure time, how do they find the time to sit around all day writing fictional fantasy which they self-publish quite often, as epitomized by the 1930s writer James Joyce? One of this man's problems with Ellen White is that she was too productive in her journalism, and his own scholarship isn't excellent, he's a modern hybrid scholar who tends to jump back and forth from the academy to the sanctuary and isn't making any comments at all on her real subject matter, which is child raising, especially character formation.

This is a common problem in intenerate current events type preacher-teacher crossovers, he has a problem with her because she is a religious woman, also because she published more than many others, but he should rethink that. An industrious housewife on the model of the Song of Solomon gets a lot of trading done and makes the man rich as well as being and raising the babies. I'm sure that this fellow has some very serious concerns outside of sex and gender, but he isn't a good logician or a practitioner of rhetoric, he's attacking someone who thought that she was a Christian member of a Christian community, and he isn't doing any more than riffing on Bible stories that prove that only men are indwelt, without citations of either the primary source against who, he interlocuters, or in most of his counterexamples, the Bible!

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

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I've had a lot of exposure to Adventism.

Same here.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

It's

One of the major problems with the modern Humanist movement that was emerging in the time of Ellen White is the extreme atomization of society in scholarship and letters that goes with it. The movement also included the emergence of the modern novel, led by Daniel Defoe, which led to shelves upon shelves of slushy, overlong rambles about speculative space travel for example by introspective "modern sensitives" who valued their inner thoughts awfully highly and produced long serial chapter books of ten or twenty episodes measuring in at up to two inches thick a piece.

Looking at life and letters, I suppose that one good sensible thing to say about this problem is that some people just have too much money and leisure time, how do they find the time to sit around all day writing fictional fantasy which they self-publish quite often, as epitomized by the 1930s writer James Joyce? One of this man's problems with Ellen White is that she was too productive in her journalism, and his own scholarship isn't excellent, he's a modern hybrid scholar who tends to jump back and forth from the academy to the sanctuary and isn't making any comments at all on her real subject matter, which is child raising, especially character formation.

This is a common problem in intenerate current events type preacher-teacher crossovers, he has a problem with her because she is a religious woman, also because she published more than many others, but he should rethink that. An industrious housewife on the model of the Song of Solomon gets a lot of trading done and makes the man rich as well as being and raising the babies. I'm sure that this fellow has some very serious concerns outside of sex and gender, but he isn't a good logician or a practitioner of rhetoric, he's attacking someone who thought that she was a Christian member of a Christian community, and he isn't doing any more than riffing on Bible stories that prove that only men are indwelt, without citations of either the primary source against who, he interlocuters, or in most of his counterexamples, the Bible!

It would be Funny, if not so tragic, that L.Ron Hubbard's religion started out that way. His were long boring sci Fi novels though. I never understood what the appeal was to the new agers. When I would pick one up to leaf through it in the book store, my spirit would always note the dark nature of his writing immediately and put it back on the shelf.

The commonality of these groups and many others are that they:
A. Have writings that are regarded as holy writ equal with the Bible.
B. They have a leader of renown that is exalted beyond what the Bible regards any of the true prophets.
C. They depart from what are basic fundamentals of the faith found throughout Scripture. Often that includes a misinterpretation of the person of Christ.

 

[JohnDB]

Ellen White was a little too preoccupied with what she termed as "personal vice" as it fills a lot of her writings.

Today the SDA tend to not focus on her as much as the other founders.

The obvious nature of their unique blend of Adventism and Sabbath Keeping is illogical at best. The line of what they claim keeps them holy vx not is very strange.

Their biggest is going to church on Saturday. (Because it's one of the ten commandments) Some SDA delve into dietary laws by abstaining from pork and mixing of dairy products and meat. (No bacon cheeseburgers for them)

I've found that most SDA somewhat fluent in their beliefs are often much more knowledgeable of the Old Testament contents moreso than your average Protestant/Evangelical pew warmer. The knowledge doesn't let them use any more wisdom though...*sigh*

But the SDA have a consistent use of Commentaries that tell them what to think doctrinally about the scriptures. Especially twisting key passages or keeping mum on others that explain the doctrines of the New Covenant.

They have a belief that the Antichrist is going to force everyone to go to church on Sunday and that there are going to be laws enacted and enforced for doing such. (Really nuts stuff here)

Where the SDA aren't exactly the most logical or congruent with doctrines they aren't exactly evil either. Where I generally don't care what day of the week they attend services so long as they leave my Sunday Services and Bacon Cheeseburgers alone I'm a happy clam with them.

Personally I have found that they do tend to stay consistent with the use of KJV Bible translations....which have been more abused than the other Bible translations including the Amplified. (Which is saying something)

But to each their own.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

Ellen White was a little too preoccupied with what she termed as "personal vice" as it fills a lot of her writings.

Today the SDA tend to not focus on her as much as the other founders.

The obvious nature of their unique blend of Adventism and Sabbath Keeping is illogical at best. The line of what they claim keeps them holy vx not is very strange.

Their biggest is going to church on Saturday. (Because it's one of the ten commandments) Some SDA delve into dietary laws by abstaining from pork and mixing of dairy products and meat. (No bacon cheeseburgers for them)

I've found that most SDA somewhat fluent in their beliefs are often much more knowledgeable of the Old Testament contents moreso than your average Protestant/Evangelical pew warmer. The knowledge doesn't let them use any more wisdom though...*sigh*

But the SDA have a consistent use of Commentaries that tell them what to think doctrinally about the scriptures. Especially twisting key passages or keeping mum on others that explain the doctrines of the New Covenant.

They have a belief that the Antichrist is going to force everyone to go to church on Sunday and that there are going to be laws enacted and enforced for doing such. (Really nuts stuff here)

Where the SDA aren't exactly the most logical or congruent with doctrines they aren't exactly evil either. Where I generally don't care what day of the week they attend services so long as they leave my Sunday Services and Bacon Cheeseburgers alone I'm a happy clam with them.

Personally I have found that they do tend to stay consistent with the use of KJV Bible translations....which have been more abused than the other Bible translations including the Amplified. (Which is saying something)

But to each their own.

Their assemblies might use KJV, because it's the superior translation, but they have their official denominationaly approved Clear Word Bible.

 

[JohnDB]

Their assemblies might use KJV, because it's the superior translation, but they have their official denominationaly approved Clear Word Bible.

Just so you understand....

The Disciple Stephen was stoned in part because he used the "wrong" translation (Septuagint) instead of the Hebrew Tenakh. It so infuriated the Pharisees in the Council that his stoning was a foregone conclusion. As such he became the first martyr....just for using the "wrong" translation.

 

[JohnDB]

The KJV is the third Church of England translation....just like the Geneva Bible was the first translation for the Calvinists. Today the Calvinists prefer the New English Standard Version.

Catholics have their new Translation and I'm forgetting who claims the NASB. The NIV is more generic not claiming any denomination bent Bible however the Assembly Of God tends to use either the Living or the Amplified.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

Just so you understand....

The Disciple Stephen was stoned in part because he used the "wrong" translation (Septuagint) instead of the Hebrew Tenakh. It so infuriated the Pharisees in the Council that his stoning was a foregone conclusion. As such he became the first martyr....just for using the "wrong" translation.

The chapter is very clear.
Steven was stoned for the same reason they tried to kill Jesus previously.

Acts 7
" Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.54 When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth."

He preached the same message as Jesus did.
Matthew 23
They tried to murder Jesus over and over again. It wasn't for preaching a Greek translation of the O.T.
John 8

John 10

John 11

 

[PennEd]

Still trying to figure out the thread title, in what appears to be some kind of an attack against Republicans.

What the heck does it matter if Ellen White is a Republican?

 

[JohnDB]

The chapter is very clear.
Steven was stoned for the same reason they tried to kill Jesus previously.

Acts 7
" Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.54 When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth."

He preached the same message as Jesus did.
Matthew 23
They tried to murder Jesus over and over again. It wasn't for preaching a Greek translation of the O.T.
John 8

John 10

John 11

When you post scripture you are supposed to support your position not mine....I don't think you really understand this whole debate thing very well.

Look at verse 54 again....it's clear that you just supported my position. (Except to you I guess....I'm not sure what you think that sentence means)

 

[Flannery]

It's

It would be Funny, if not so tragic, that L.Ron Hubbard's religion started out that way. His were long boring sci Fi novels though. I never understood what the appeal was to the new agers. When I would pick one up to leaf through it in the book store, my spirit would always note the dark nature of his writing immediately and put it back on the shelf.

The commonality of these groups and many others are that they:
A. Have writings that are regarded as holy writ equal with the Bible.
B. They have a leader of renown that is exalted beyond what the Bible regards any of the true prophets.
C. They depart from what are basic fundamentals of the faith found throughout Scripture. Often that includes a misinterpretation of the person of Christ.

L. Ron Hubbard is a lot strange. His Battlefield Earth series is much like The Great Controversy, but less spiritual. Her World History textbook, in spite of being republican and opposed to the crusades, still focuses on the spiritual confrontation between Christ and Satan. Hubbard tries to translate that down to Earth and write literal military history, but it's more futurism, and indirectly inspired by the Battle of Armageddon prophesied in the scriptures. It's a tedious literary connection, because the White book involves a controversy between Satan, who is a spiritual fallen angel, and Jesus, who is the Son of God made man. It's between a spirit and a man. Hubbard's book is all on Earth, how he justifies the spiritual side is via the teaching that there are Nephilim, which is supposed to be a giant on earth before the flood, which is a fallen angle incarnated as a man, and related in type of scriptural character to the Doctrine of the Antichrist.