Talking about the meat of the word

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Apr 9, 2023
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Hi there,
James here.
I'm a new member of this site and I'm super excited to be here.

Let me tell you what happened today at church.

I went to a church today to celebrate Easter Sunday.
After listening to the sermon, I approached one of the elders in the church after the service to ask a question.

I wondered what happened to Jesus between Good Friday and Easter Sunday and quoted the verses in the books of Ephesians 4:8-10 and 1 Peter 3:18-19. The conversation got a little bit heated when the elder questioned my motive for asking this question on the day when we should celebrate the risen savior of Jesus Christ.

To avoid further conflicts, I did not continue with the conversation for much longer.
Instead, I decided to ask ChatGPT, and below is the conversation.

My questions to you all are

1. is it unreasonable to ask what might have happened to Jesus after his death? is it a trivial issue compared to the gospel that we shouldn't focus too much on looking at these things?

2. do you agree with the ChatGPT's answer on the work of the Holy Spirit which says "Additionally, some Christians may find the Book of Revelation challenging to understand and interpret, even with the guidance of the Holy Spirit."


Thank you for seeing my post and I look forward to your comments!

Kind regards,
James


Q. is gospel compared to the milk of the word

A. Yes, the gospel is often compared to the milk of the word in the Bible. This analogy is used to describe the foundational teachings of Christianity that are essential for new believers to understand before moving on to more advanced teachings. In 1 Corinthians 3:2, the apostle Paul tells the Corinthian church, "I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for it. Indeed, you are still not ready." This implies that the gospel is like milk, which is easy to digest and understand, whereas solid food represents more complex teachings that require greater spiritual maturity. Similarly, in Hebrews 5:12-14, the author rebukes the Hebrew Christians for their spiritual immaturity, saying that they need to move beyond the basic teachings of the gospel to more advanced doctrines.



Q. What is considered solid food

A. In the context of the Bible, "solid food" refers to the deeper and more complex teachings of scripture that require a higher level of spiritual maturity to understand and apply. It includes topics such as the nature of God, the role of the Holy Spirit, the sovereignty of God, the meaning of the cross and the resurrection, and the importance of living a holy and obedient life. These teachings require more than just a surface-level understanding and require a deeper level of commitment and faith.

Q. What is considered solid food

A. There are various teachings in the Bible that are considered "solid food" for mature Christians, including:
  1. Understanding the nature and character of God (Hebrews 6:1-2).
  2. Knowing the deeper truths about salvation (Hebrews 5:11-14).
  3. Understanding the role and work of the Holy Spirit in the believer's life (John 16:12-15).
  4. Studying and interpreting the Bible in context (2 Timothy 2:15).
  5. Understanding and applying the principles of Christian living and discipleship (Ephesians 4:11-16).
  6. Developing spiritual discernment and the ability to distinguish truth from error (1 Corinthians 2:14-16).
These teachings require a deeper level of understanding and application than the foundational teachings of the Gospel. They require a willingness to study, learn, and grow in faith and maturity.

Q. Christians often insist on going back to the gospel if disagreements happen. why is that

A. Christians often go back to the gospel when disagreements happen because it is the foundation of their faith. The gospel message of Jesus Christ and His sacrifice on the cross for the forgiveness of sins is the most important aspect of Christianity. It is a unifying message that brings believers together, regardless of denominational or theological differences. By returning to the gospel, Christians can refocus on the core beliefs that unite them and avoid getting sidetracked by secondary issues or disputes. Additionally, the gospel provides a framework for understanding other aspects of the Bible, including the Old Testament, prophecies, and teachings on Christian living.

Q. it doesn't answer the complex questions

A. That is correct. While the gospel is foundational and essential to the Christian faith, there are many complex questions and issues that require more in-depth study and understanding of the Scriptures. This is where the concept of solid food comes in, as mentioned in the Bible. Solid food refers to the deeper, more complex teachings of the Bible that require spiritual maturity and understanding. While the gospel is important, it is not sufficient to answer all questions and issues that may arise in the Christian life.

Q. Isn't it true that the holy spirit within our hearts is guiding us to understand these messages?

A. Yes, it is true that the Holy Spirit within our hearts can guide us to understand the messages in the Bible, including the Book of Revelation. Christians believe that the Holy Spirit is the third person of the Trinity and is present in the lives of believers to guide, comfort, and empower them.
According to the Bible, the Holy Spirit is the one who reveals the truth of God's word to us (John 16:13). As we seek to understand the message of the Book of Revelation, we can pray for the Holy Spirit's guidance and wisdom, as well as rely on trusted teachers, commentaries, and other resources.
However, it is also important to remember that the Holy Spirit does not work in isolation and often uses other believers and sources to help us understand God's word. As such, seeking wise counsel and studying the Bible in the community can be beneficial in gaining a deeper understanding of the Book of Revelation and other parts of the Bible.

Q. Then why is it difficult among believers to talk about these things if the same holy spirit is working within us

A. While the Holy Spirit can help us understand the messages in the Bible, Christians may still have differing interpretations of certain passages, including those in the Book of Revelation. These differences in interpretation can sometimes lead to disagreements or debates among believers.
Additionally, some Christians may find the Book of Revelation challenging to understand and interpret, even with the guidance of the Holy Spirit. The complex symbolism and apocalyptic language used in the book can be difficult to grasp, and the potential for misinterpretation or extremism can make some believers hesitant to discuss it openly.
Furthermore, cultural and denominational differences can also play a role in how Christians approach the Book of Revelation. Some may have been taught specific interpretations or eschatological views that differ from others, leading to disagreements and misunderstandings.
Despite these challenges, it is still important for believers to study and discuss the Book of Revelation, seeking the guidance of the Holy Spirit and learning from each other. By approaching the book with humility and an openness to different perspectives, Christians can gain a deeper understanding of its message and its relevance to their lives.

Q. the book of Acts chapter 10 describes believers skeptical of Peter's message initially but agreeing with him when the holy spirit came on them

A. Yes, that is correct.

In Acts chapter 10, Peter was sent by the Lord to visit the home of Cornelius, a Roman centurion who was a devout man, but not a Jew. This was a significant moment because up until that point, the gospel message had been mainly preached to Jews, and there was a belief among some Jewish believers that Gentiles were unclean and could not be saved.

When Peter arrived, he shared the gospel with Cornelius and his household. Initially, they were skeptical and did not understand what Peter was saying. However, as Peter was speaking, the Holy Spirit came upon Cornelius and his household, and they began to speak in tongues and praise God. This was evidence to Peter and the other Jewish believers who were with him that God had indeed granted salvation to the Gentiles.

As a result of this experience, Peter and the other Jewish believers were able to overcome their skepticism and accept the reality that the gospel message was for all people, regardless of their race or background. This event helped to pave the way for the spread of the gospel to the Gentiles, which was a significant development in the early church.

This story also highlights the role of the Holy Spirit in guiding believers and revealing the truth to them. Through the Holy Spirit, Cornelius and his household were able to receive the gospel message and be saved, and Peter and the other Jewish believers were able to overcome their prejudices and accept God's plan for all people.
 

Eli1

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My questions to you all are

1. is it unreasonable to ask what might have happened to Jesus after his death? is it a trivial issue compared to the gospel that we shouldn't focus too much on looking at these things?

2. do you agree with the ChatGPT's answer on the work of the Holy Spirit which says "Additionally, some Christians may find the Book of Revelation challenging to understand and interpret, even with the guidance of the Holy Spirit."


Thank you for seeing my post and I look forward to your comments!

Kind regards,
James
1. Of course not. In fact in the East Orthodox Church this is an important topic and there are many explanations depending on traditions, history and the Bible itself. Also there is nothing trivial about this specific question because by definition is supernatural and beyond our understanding.

2. Yes I agree with that (cough) search engine’s finding that many Christians find the book of revelation challenging to understand and interpret.
 

Artios1

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Hi there,
James here.
I'm a new member of this site and I'm super excited to be here.

Let me tell you what happened today at church.

I went to a church today to celebrate Easter Sunday.
After listening to the sermon, I approached one of the elders in the church after the service to ask a question.

I wondered what happened to Jesus between Good Friday and Easter Sunday and quoted the verses in the books of Ephesians 4:8-10 and 1 Peter 3:18-19. The conversation got a little bit heated when the elder questioned my motive for asking this question on the day when we should celebrate the risen savior of Jesus Christ.

Actually, ChatGPT had some fairly decent answers …not all accurate but decent….certainly better than chat-elder.



The elder sounds like he has some problems, or he just didn’t know the answer … It was a fair question and one that deserves an answer.

Jesus was entombed for 3 days and 3 nights… “dead”. The witnessing or showing Himself to the imprisoned spirits happened after He was raised and before Mary saw Him on what would be our Sunday, before dawn.

But Jesus was raised on Saturday Nisan 17 before sunset (new days started at sunset).

Jesus was in the heart of the earth on Wednesday Nisan (formally Abib) 14 before sunset …and raised as I stated on Saturday. The days are easy to figure out from the Bible, but religion has twisted it to conform to religious tradition (the Bible is accurate… tradition is made up)

There is much more to this regarding the malefactor (not thief) and paradise and where he is at ….and the days leading up to the crucifixion ….happy to post it… if you want it.

Happy Easter
 

posthuman

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When Peter arrived, he shared the gospel with Cornelius and his household. Initially, they were skeptical and did not understand what Peter was saying. However, as Peter was speaking,at the Holy Spirit came upon Cornelius and his household, and they began to speak in tongues and praise God.
um...

I see no evidence whatsoever in Acts 10 that either Cornelius or anyone else in his household was at any time skeptical of or lacked understanding of what Peter was saying.

The Jews with Peter ((Peter included)) were skeptical that gentiles could receive the Spirit, but that had nothing to do with whether they believed the basic facts of the gospel Peter was recounting.
 

posthuman

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Q. What is considered solid food
Hebrews 5:12-6:3
For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need [someone] to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God; and you have come to need milk and not solid food. For everyone who partakes [only] of milk [is] unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe. But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, [that is,] those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary [principles] of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, of the doctrine of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. And this we will do if God permits.

this gives a couple of things explicitly defined as milk:

  • repentance
    • hence, works, both good and wicked ones
  • faith
  • baptisms
    • plural, to wit: water and spirit
  • laying on of hands
    • implying spiritual gifts
  • resurrection
  • eternal judgement

we can conclude that whatever spiritual meat is, it doesn't fall under these categories.

We can glean also that only dealing with these basic things leaves us unfit to eat solid food, and that also we are not able to discern solid food without being practiced in these fundamental things, by reason of such exercise knowing clearly what is good and what is evil.
 

posthuman

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My questions to you all are

1. is it unreasonable to ask what might have happened to Jesus after his death? is it a trivial issue compared to the gospel that we shouldn't focus too much on looking at these things?

2. do you agree with the ChatGPT's answer on the work of the Holy Spirit which says "Additionally, some Christians may find the Book of Revelation challenging to understand and interpret, even with the guidance of the Holy Spirit."

  1. It is never unreasonable to seek knowledge of the works or person of God
  2. Yes Revelation is incredibly complex and hard to understand. the entire Bible is incredibly complex and hard to understand correctly, and in particular Revelation has 65 other books that precede it and are necessary to have mastery of before fully comprehending.

most of us don't even get Genesis right or the basic principles of the gospel. but it's nonetheless super popular to skip right to Revelation and pretend to be an expert, without being grounded in all the fundamental things Revelation draws from


i don't talk about eschatology here in the forums, because i know i am an idiot and completely unqualified.
 

Nehemiah6

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Instead, I decided to ask ChatGPT, and below is the conversation.
This is not a very good idea at all. Do you seriously believe that ChatGPT will enlighten you on spiritual matters? Chances are sooner or later it will lead you into error.
 
Apr 9, 2023
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This is not a very good idea at all. Do you seriously believe that ChatGPT will enlighten you on spiritual matters? Chances are sooner or later it will lead you into error.
This is why I am sharing the findings in this forum... to gain more insights from believers like you.
Personally, I wouldn't seek to find answers using AI, but it seems to me that these days, it is difficult to have a conversation with Christians on complex issues with love and compassion.
Perhaps, we have gotten used to staying within the echo chambers and anyone with a different view are ignored or canceled.

I wouldn't have come to platforms like this if I had a supportive network of Christians, fostering and embracing questions that are complex and yet the bible encourages us not to be ignorant about.
 

notmyown

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Q. is gospel compared to the milk of the word

A. Yes, the gospel is often compared to the milk of the word in the Bible. This analogy is used to describe the foundational teachings of Christianity that are essential for new believers to understand before moving on to more advanced teachings. In 1 Corinthians 3:2, the apostle Paul tells the Corinthian church, "I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for it. Indeed, you are still not ready." This implies that the gospel is like milk, which is easy to digest and understand, whereas solid food represents more complex teachings that require greater spiritual maturity. Similarly, in Hebrews 5:12-14, the author rebukes the Hebrew Christians for their spiritual immaturity, saying that they need to move beyond the basic teachings of the gospel to more advanced doctrines.
gonna disagree with AI here. the Gospel isn't like an ABC we learn at the beginning of the Christian life and move on to, er, bigger things. we never outgrow it, never stop needing it, never plumb the depths of it.

on a personal note: child, what are you doing talking to AI, helping it along? ushering in the zombie apocalypse?? :D


more seriously, we already have so much more knowledge than we have the wisdom to manage. how easy it seems to be for humanity to destroy itself.
 
Apr 9, 2023
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gonna disagree with AI here. the Gospel isn't like an ABC we learn at the beginning of the Christian life and move on to, er, bigger things. we never outgrow it, never stop needing it, never plumb the depths of it.

on a personal note: child, what are you doing talking to AI, helping it along? ushering in the zombie apocalypse?? :D


more seriously, we already have so much more knowledge than we have the wisdom to manage. how easy it seems to be for humanity to destroy itself.

Thanks for your reply.
This is an interesting topic.
AI is here to stay whether we like it or not.
I believe God will talk to those who seek Him, whether it be via AI or another Christian.
David used a pagan music instrument to praise the Lord and He was well pleased.
In short, the tools are tools, but it is the intent of the user that will dictate the outcomes.