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Eli1

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@Flannery have you really thought about free will?
Think about it. It’s an amazing and mysterious thing. Why do people do the things that they do?
We can’t program them like robots. We can’t make them do what we want them to do. We can’t get into their heads either.
Our only experience is ours and empathy is the only thing that might make you think twice or thrice about approaching a stranger and try to impose a worldview onto them.
As the saying goes : You can only lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink.
 

Lynx

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I'm just chatting in miscellaneous. I've been to other sites, sorry, should I say a rosary?
Actually nothing wrong with it at all. Many people make threads just to complain about stuff. Lanolin is a master at it.

I was just wondering if I was missing something.
 

Lynx

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As the saying goes : You can only lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink.
I heard a different version. It involved a pretty young lady flower who was only interested in collecting pollen. The flower Prince loved her and tried to educate her with all the best tutors in the land, but to no avail.

It seems you can lead a horticulture, but you can't make her think.
 

maxwel

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If you watch Hitchens vs Blair for example, the atheist is trying to trace a fractal like explosion of dialectics related to creation origin stories, which are heretical to a mainstream Christian. When Blair appeals to scripture as a single source of quotation...
I'm not sure Tony Blair had the qualifications for a philosophical debate on religion.
He studied law at Oxford, which proves he has some solid raw intellect, but I don't think he has any training in theology, church history, analytic philosophy, or even formal logic. He was out of his wheelhouse.

He's not a good example of how to debate an atheist, or how to answer these particular issues raised by Hitchens.

The kind of barrage loosed by Hitchens is usually answered, by a good apologist, with some simple logical circumvention.



Interesting topic.

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Flannery

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I heard a different version. It involved a pretty young lady flower who was only interested in collecting pollen. The flower Prince loved her and tried to educate her with all the best tutors in the land, but to no avail.

It seems you can lead a horticulture, but you can't make her think.
That's a joke based on Man For All Seasons. She was rescued by Sir Thomas Moore.
 

Lynx

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That's a joke based on Man For All Seasons. She was rescued by Sir Thomas Moore.
Nope. This joke was based on Spider Robinson. Ever heard of Calahan's Crosstime Saloon?
 

Flannery

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Nope. This joke was based on Spider Robinson. Ever heard of Calahan's Crosstime Saloon?
I only drink alone. Yeah, with nobody else. And you know that when I drink alone, I prefer to be by myself.
 
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Take a tip from Jeremiah 23:28. Ignore them. What does the chaff matter to the wheat?
Well, chaff can be used to keep you warm.

I visited atheist sites many years ago. What was consistent back then at every site I lurked in was religion. Ours.
The primary topic discussed was Christians, Christ, God, Christianity. And of course it wasn't complimentary remarks or respectful observations.
 

Lynx

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Well, chaff can be used to keep you warm.

I visited atheist sites many years ago. What was consistent back then at every site I lurked in was religion. Ours.
The primary topic discussed was Christians, Christ, God, Christianity. And of course it wasn't complimentary remarks or respectful observations.
Hmm... So the only common ground they have as a group is that they are against the other side? And everything they identify with as a group stems from that adversarial mentality?

Sounds like modern democrats and republicans.