Signs and wonders.

[The_Watchers_2017]

If I were to say anything to you the first thing that came to me was a man after my own heart. I think is both Jesus saying this about you and how I feel as well.
That assurance in Christ you clearly know it he wrote this story from beggining to end so regardless if we understand how it is going to go down or not that isn't the point it is about the absolute trust and assurance in him why worry when we can just let him take care of it even if we face things and trials even if we screw up along the way there is that assurance in him that he is the author of our sotry as well that just gives you this ability to just get back up if you fall down your just filled with a kind of peace that just brings something different to the table

The beauty about if we screw up along the way is He, God, knows the End from the Beginning. So, as long as we are following His Will, He made provisions before we ever were in position to screw up to keep us on track for His purpose. In a sense, many times, when we do something really stupid, about that same time is when He steps in to divert the attention away and clean it up.

 

[JaumeJ]

Wise man! you give me hope like light in total darkness.

Many Blessings!

Thank you, not so worthy here.

 

[Blain]

The beauty about if we screw up along the way is He, God, knows the End from the Beginning. So, as long as we are following His Will, He made provisions before we ever were in position to screw up to keep us on track for His purpose. In a sense, many times, when we do something really stupid, about that same time is when He steps in to divert the attention away and clean it up.

Yes I have seen this when I have been just being with him and looking back on my life and seeing his fingerprints all through out it even when I was stupid and reckless even when I was not a good person even when I went my own all throughout my journey up to this point.

Every mess I made it was like he already had the mop ready every time I went the wrong way he would somehow intervene not always as a rescue kind of thing but a season I had to go through as a direct consiquence of my rash actions but he was still there and I can see him in all those times now.

He had the solution before we had the problem. I admit I call myself his stubborn child even before I was a Christian I always had to learn things the hard way but when I did learn it it really stuck and that seems to be theme with my journey that I have had with him as well I am stubborn and he often has to be patient with me but always eventually gets me to his way and more often than not I always come out of the seasons where I had to go through because of a screw up of mine I tend to come out of it stronger and closer to him even if I didn't do well in the season.

I'm sorry I kind of ranted there it just really does amaze me how involved he has been before I was even born. He spoke to me something a little bit back ago he said before your even touched the doctors hands at your birth it was I who first held you and said this one is mine.

Those words alone and just the imagery it creates he just really knows how to pierce your heart sometimes

 

[mustaphadrink]

I don't have to deal with them. They are God's territory. It's the purveyors of false that we have to deal with by exposing the lies and shining the light on them.

And how do you do that?

 

[mustaphadrink]

This is what I'm trying to work out.

Matthew 2:12 KJV
And being warned of God in a dream that they should not return to Herod, they departed into their own country another way..

Should not take long as they are in the minority.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

Something I've noticed is when some people refer to that verse about a wicked and adulterous generation seeking a sign is that they make the logical error of affirming the consequent. If Jesus said that a wicked and adulterous generation seeks a sign, that doesn't mean that all who seek a sign are necessarily wicked and adulterous. The wicked and adulterous drink water. That doesn't make all who drink water wicked or adulterous.

It is also interesting to not that the sequence in Matthew's Gospel has Jesus saying this following the account of the feeding of the four thousand. It could be that the type of sign Christ's opponents were looking for was a predictive prophecy to test Jesus against a Deuteronomy 18 scripture. If His prediction did not come to pass then they would dismiss Him as a false prophet. Jesus gave them a predictive sign of his resurrection from the dead. That is different from healing the sick.

Jesus said before one of the healings recorded early in the book of John, 'except ye see signs and wonders, ye shall not believe.' The apostles also prayed for God to heal and to do signs and wonders for the sake of Jesus. Their praying this way did not make them evil or adulterous.

Here is the problem, the op is about people needing signs and wonders inorder to believe. The things Jesus did was not for unbelievers each time He commended the faith of someone directly involved. And those who witnessed the signs and wonders that He did, if they didnt already believe ie; His disciples, the signs did not convert them. Niether did His resurrection convert them.
Also, Jesus warned of false signs and wonders, warning that there will be many, and as a warning against sign seeking, of which we have also many. To those His resurrection is not sign enough, His prophecies and the subsequent historical record of fulfillment of His words isnt enough. Therefore further sign seeking is a perversion. This does not apply to those who in faith seek His help, and strength, and healing, and intervention into our lives for our good. It applies to sign seeker who seek signs as proof be it of Jesus or that they are saved. That proof is His resurrection.

 

[Fundaamental]

I can not boast about being saved,
The lord said it can make others feel inadequate.
The lord said it is better to to say God wills my steps and he can will yours.
This made me wonder.😊

 

[Fundaamental]

The lord has spoken😊.
He said I do not need to confess to man or woman I am saved,

The lord said I only need to confess Jesus is my lord and saviour to the father.😊

 

[Evmur]

Didnt Jesus say something to the effect of, a perverse generation seeks a sign but none will be given.

We have a sign, is called the scripture, which is the witness of Christ. We also have that the things he said came to pass. He warned his disciples of the pending doom and it happened as he predicted 40 years later in 70 ad. It is the historical record of his true witness.

so you are convinced by the sign of Jesu's prophecy coming to pass.

All God's word will come to pass if preached and believed on, His promise to heal and deliver.

Miracles do not convince God's enemies, they only hate God even more. They rejected His written word, His spoken word and they reject His miracles as well.

 

[Niki7]

I can not boast about being saved,
The lord said it can make others feel inadequate.
The lord said it is better to to say God wills my steps and he can will yours.
This made me wonder.😊

I basically do not believe a word you say. You are so off base as to be absurd. Your expressions are flavored with things from the koran and you are no believer in Christianity.

Where in scripture does it say being saved can make another person inadequate?

Oh wait....as a prophet who is not sure of salvation, of course some god is speaking to you!

The actual Lord said nothing to you and you and the other one are good for education on what is false.

All those itching ears tho.....

 

[Niki7]

The lord has spoken😊.
He said I do not need to confess to man or woman I am saved,

The lord said I only need to confess Jesus is my lord and saviour to the father.😊

Well that is not true either. Even the devil believes.

You don't confess to Father God. The confession is to this world and the powers working in it. God knows who are is and who are liars and deceivers. If you really believed, you would some respect and pretend to hear from God. You think there are no consequences and are free to post nonsense and mock.

Having a good laugh then?

Your posts have reached a new level of creepiness.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Yes I have seen this when I have been just being with him and looking back on my life and seeing his fingerprints all through out it even when I was stupid and reckless even when I was not a good person even when I went my own all throughout my journey up to this point.

Every mess I made it was like he already had the mop ready every time I went the wrong way he would somehow intervene not always as a rescue kind of thing but a season I had to go through as a direct consiquence of my rash actions but he was still there and I can see him in all those times now.

He had the solution before we had the problem. I admit I call myself his stubborn child even before I was a Christian I always had to learn things the hard way but when I did learn it it really stuck and that seems to be theme with my journey that I have had with him as well I am stubborn and he often has to be patient with me but always eventually gets me to his way and more often than not I always come out of the seasons where I had to go through because of a screw up of mine I tend to come out of it stronger and closer to him even if I didn't do well in the season.

I'm sorry I kind of ranted there it just really does amaze me how involved he has been before I was even born. He spoke to me something a little bit back ago he said before your even touched the doctors hands at your birth it was I who first held you and said this one is mine.

Those words alone and just the imagery it creates he just really knows how to pierce your heart sometimes

Definitely, I like how you mentioned going the wrong direction but rather fixing it immediately, God, allows you to get an Education by spending a season or two making sure that is one decision you plan on never making again.

Now, you have the experience to help others either avoid making same mistakes or helping them through if they already made the same mistakes.

Inadvertently, you added a new portion to your ministry because God had to intervene on your stupidity but you also gained knowledge from it all.

 

[Niki7]

"Niki7, post: 5059484, member: 321629"]Many probably wonder how so many are already deceived and will be deceived in the time to come. As always, we can find the answers to this in scripture and we can start with what Jesus had to say.

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“And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.” Matthew 24: 3-5​

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Matthew 7: 15-23

The op is distinctly and very wrong in saying that signs and wonders are given for people to accept Jesus as their Savior.

The only way to God is through Jesus, His only Son by faith. It is faith alone that pleases God. We can go back as far as the OT to affirm that is the truth. Jesus was not just a great prophet as some say. He is God incarnate and the expression of God, the Father and He is the Way, the Truth and the Life.

Jesus warned us that many false prophets will arise and through the power of the devil, they will fool so many that unless God Himself intervenes, even the very elect will be fooled by these lying wonders.


For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. Matthew 24:24

Do not listen to those who falsely proclaim that signs and wonders (also known as miracles) are the way to know God or that those who perform them are godly. They are not godly and are not sent by God. Christians, that is those who have accepted Jesus as their Savior, may actually experience the Holy Spirit working through them and will see the spiritual gifts in operation BUT that is not what the op is talking about.

Lies are easy to spot when you study the Bible and renew your mind according to that book and turn from sin and believe what God says. We renew our minds by agreeing with the Bible. This simply means agree with what God says in His word so that you can refute the lies and the lying signs and wonders.

Know what is real and you will not be fooled by demonic spirits ushering in an age of false miracles.

Do not pursue manifestations. That is another way to be deceived. Rather pursue God and He will work in your life and church according to His word and we know that the spiritual gifts are given to build up the body of Christ and not to make a show or gather people with itching ears.

Be blessed in the name of Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

you are convinced by the sign of Jesu's prophecy coming to pass

Thats not what i said.
I said that those are a matter of historical record.

All God's word will come to pass if preached and believed on, His promise to heal and deliver.

Ok, i agree but its a nonsequitor in response to what i wrote.

Miracles do not convince God's enemies, they only hate God even more. They rejected His written word, His spoken word and they reject His miracles as well.

Agree totally.

 

[presidente]

Here is the problem, the op is about people needing signs and wonders inorder to believe. The things Jesus did was not for unbelievers each time He commended the faith of someone directly involved. And those who witnessed the signs and wonders that He did, if they didnt already believe ie; His disciples, the signs did not convert them. Niether did His resurrection convert them.
Also, Jesus warned of false signs and wonders, warning that there will be many, and as a warning against sign seeking, of which we have also many. To those His resurrection is not sign enough, His prophecies and the subsequent historical record of fulfillment of His words isnt enough. Therefore further sign seeking is a perversion. This does not apply to those who in faith seek His help, and strength, and healing, and intervention into our lives for our good. It applies to sign seeker who seek signs as proof be it of Jesus or that they are saved. That proof is His resurrection.

Let's consider the implications of 'except ye see signs and wonders, ye shall not believe." Doesn't that kind of imply that some will believe because they saw signs and wonders.

What about this from John 12?

9 Much people of the Jews therefore knew that he was there: and they came not for Jesus' sake only, but that they might see Lazarus also, whom he had raised from the dead.
10 But the chief priests consulted that they might put Lazarus also to death;
11 Because that by reason of him many of the Jews went away, and believed on Jesus.

There are some people like some of the Pharisees that confronted Jesus, the brothers in the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, etc. that wouldn't believe Jesus because they didn't believe Moses, or they wouldn't believe if God raised someone from the dead. But Thomas believed after he saw the risen Christ. And is there is a blessing on those who do not see, and yet have believed.

Also consider that the woman at the well's reaction when Jesus told her about her husbands. Sergius Paulus believed after he saw the blinding of Elymas.

 

[Nehemiah6]

So God had to repeatedly show an individual signs and wonders.

Signs and wonders were for large groups of people who needed to know (1) that Christ (the Messiah/King of the Jews) was God manifest in the flesh and (2) that the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ had a divine origin, therefore God was confirming it through signs, wonders, and miracles by the hands of the apostles and their companions.

At the same time, EVEN THOUGH CHRIST DID THOUSANDS OF MIRACLES the majority of Jews in the end rejected Him. Therefore He told His enemies that the only sign that they would be give was the sign of the prophet Jonah. Which meant that the resurrection of Christ was the the sign that should have brought all Israel to the Savior. Did that happen? No it did not. And as a result eventually Paul turned away from the Jews and focused on the Gentiles.

As for Christians today, the basic principle is this: THE JUST SHALL LIVE BY FAITH. As for unbelievers in the world today THE GOSPEL IS THE POWER OF GOD UNTO SALVATION. Which means that the period of signs, wonders, and miracles from God through men is over. However, God still does miracles in answer to "the prayer of faith".

On the other hand, when the Antichrist appears he will come with SIGNS AND LYING WONDERS to deceive the world. And God will send "strong delusion" on this earth so that people will in fact be deceived. And the reason is given in this passage (2 Thess 2:7-12): For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

 

[mustaphadrink]

Hi how are you today. 😊

I believe that some people need more belief and convincing that God is real more than other people do.

This is where God will will show people different signs that he is real. Through miracles through spirits ( misty) through light, through prophecy.

And then it doesn't stop there, the new converts who come to God still need convincing, and God will again show them something wonderful or something un-explained, that Somebody else would wonder why didn't that happen to me.

Well could it be it was because they didn't need as much convincing. 😊

Because they where not in as much grievance when they came to God. So God had to repeatedly show an individual signs and wonders.

Rather a wishy washy post.

 

[mustaphadrink]

Which means that the period of signs, wonders, and miracles from God through men is over. However, God still does miracles in answer to "the prayer of faith".

Contradictory

 

[mustaphadrink]

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves

The main purpose of false prophets is so that you can recognize prophets that are not false.

 

[mustaphadrink]

Do not pursue manifestations. That is another way to be deceived. Rather pursue God and He will work in your life and church according to His word and we know that the spiritual gifts are given to build up the body of Christ and not to make a show or gather people with itching ears.

That must mean God is not working on most believers and churches lives because nothing is happening in most cases. They go to their Sunday service, do the same thing every week. No evidence of the presence of God. Listen to sermon that is irrelevant to most of the people listening. Just the same old same old.

And nine out of 10 churches don't want anything to do with spiritual gifts.