Works of the Law
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How do i believe any differently to you.
I promote the love of obedience as a result of the faith and salvation that has already happened in the heart. I love to obey because of the Spirit that works in me. When my flesh wants it's way in me there is war.
There is a battle for our hearts.
Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
Gal 5:26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.
I promote the love of obedience as a result of the faith and salvation that has already happened in the heart. I love to obey because of the Spirit that works in me. When my flesh wants it's way in me there is war.
There is a battle for our hearts.
Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
Gal 5:26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.
This is a simple question.... Because of the Love Grace and goodness of God in giving Jesus to suffer and die for my sins and yours do we now have the right to sin without consequence?
It was my sins that held Jesus to the cross so do i continue to sin today because the price was paid in advance?
How does the righteousness of Jesus that we receive as a free gift make us unable to sin?
It was my sins that held Jesus to the cross so do i continue to sin today because the price was paid in advance?
How does the righteousness of Jesus that we receive as a free gift make us unable to sin?
the law reveals sin. Jesus paid the price for it in full and gives us a perfect robe of righteousness. The law was perfectly obeyed by Jesus and therefore we are see as if we did too. the law reveals the unrighteous, murderers, adulterers, thieves, etc. so we realize our need of Jesus and His gift every second of the day. Sin is still sin and God will not force us to stop sinning. He will free us from sin in 3 ways.
Justification = Imparted righteousness
Sanctification = Imputed righteousness
Glorification = Final Tranformation
Justification = Imparted righteousness
Sanctification = Imputed righteousness
Glorification = Final Tranformation
There is clearly some conflict with Jesus / others and Paul
James 2:24 - 24 You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.
“It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.” (Luke 16:17)
John 7:22 - 22 For this reason Moses has given you circumcision (not that it is from Moses, but from the fathers), and even on a Sabbath you circumcise a man.
Rev 2:14-16 - ………….sacrificed to idols and committed sexual immorality. 15 Likewise, you also have those who hold to the teaching of the Nicolaitans. 16 Repent therefore! Otherwise, I will soon come to you and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.
Acts 21:25-26 - 25 As for the Gentile believers, we have written to them our decision that they should abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality.” 26 The next day Paul took the men and purified himself along with them. Then he went to the temple to give notice of the date when the days of purification would end and the offering would be made for each of them.
Matt 7:21 - “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
If everyone believed in Jesus by faith alone - why would Jesus say that not everyone who calls him 'lord' will enter heaven. clearly, the will of the father is following the law - no law no need to repent, doesn't matter what you do - you are not wrong as there is no law.
some may say Adultery - is wrong, but if there is no law against adultery then you are free to do as you are not breaking the law.
But Jesus kept all the law - preached the law even in Revelations, continues to emphasise the law.
Only one teacher - Matthew 23:8–10 8 But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brothers. 9 And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. 10 Neither be called instructors, for you have one instructor, the Christ.
James 2:24 - 24 You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.
“It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.” (Luke 16:17)
John 7:22 - 22 For this reason Moses has given you circumcision (not that it is from Moses, but from the fathers), and even on a Sabbath you circumcise a man.
Rev 2:14-16 - ………….sacrificed to idols and committed sexual immorality. 15 Likewise, you also have those who hold to the teaching of the Nicolaitans. 16 Repent therefore! Otherwise, I will soon come to you and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.
Acts 21:25-26 - 25 As for the Gentile believers, we have written to them our decision that they should abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality.” 26 The next day Paul took the men and purified himself along with them. Then he went to the temple to give notice of the date when the days of purification would end and the offering would be made for each of them.
Matt 7:21 - “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
If everyone believed in Jesus by faith alone - why would Jesus say that not everyone who calls him 'lord' will enter heaven. clearly, the will of the father is following the law - no law no need to repent, doesn't matter what you do - you are not wrong as there is no law.
some may say Adultery - is wrong, but if there is no law against adultery then you are free to do as you are not breaking the law.
But Jesus kept all the law - preached the law even in Revelations, continues to emphasise the law.
Only one teacher - Matthew 23:8–10 8 But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brothers. 9 And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. 10 Neither be called instructors, for you have one instructor, the Christ.
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You have said this (out of one side of your mouth) in the past and I have not missed it, yet at other times you seem to be saying otherwise out of the other side of your mouth and I have not missed it either. Obedience which is produced out of faith is works and we are saved by grace through faith, not works. (Ephesians 2:8,9)
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Sorry i put the imputed and imparted righteousness in the wrong place ....
my bad...
Imputed righteousness is the righteousness of Jesus credited to the Christian, enabling the Christian to be justified;
Imparted righteousness is what God does in Christ by the power of the Holy Spirit after justification, working in the Christian to enable and empower the process of sanctification
my bad...
Imputed righteousness is the righteousness of Jesus credited to the Christian, enabling the Christian to be justified;
Imparted righteousness is what God does in Christ by the power of the Holy Spirit after justification, working in the Christian to enable and empower the process of sanctification
Thank you for your explanation my friend, which obviously took you a great deal of thought, which I truly appreciate. And I agree with you when you say, "As we learn to walk in the Spirit, we become less and less under the power of sin."
If we have died to sin, we can not be under the power of sin. If you are under the Power of Sin, According to Jesus, wouldn't that make you a slave of sin??
(John 8:34) Jesus replied, "I tell you the truth, "everyone" who sins is a slave to sin.
Now if you read what Jesus taught, you will find he doesn't exclude anyone when he uses the word, "Everyone."
Becoming a Christian may not change the fact that someone previously stold, murdered or committed adultery, but it does change who we are positionally in Christ. 1 Corinthians 6:11 - And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.
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You just have to remember that what Paul was doing in his legal arguments was accusing the people who had crucified Christ. There won't be any grace for them, they have used up all their grace allowances, and in case you can really follow legal terminology, they're guilty of attempting to deny grace to others.
That's just the thing. I'm no longer a slave to sin. I've been set free to serve a new master. Before, sin was all I knew. Even my most decent and moral of behaviors was done for me, not God. My motivation was always for my glory.
No longer a slave to self and sin, I have been set free to pursue God's glory. But I still have to learn to put on the new man and cast off the old. The remnants of my former self still war against that which I have become. The one I feed is the one that wins.
I'm not what I ought to be. But, thank God, I'm not who I used to be.
No longer a slave to self and sin, I have been set free to pursue God's glory. But I still have to learn to put on the new man and cast off the old. The remnants of my former self still war against that which I have become. The one I feed is the one that wins.
I'm not what I ought to be. But, thank God, I'm not who I used to be.
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Wait a minute, now you do have me confused.
Jesus says, the reason "Everyone" who sins, sins...is because they are slaves to sin.
But you say, though you have been set free, no longer a slave, you still sin.
So why do you sin, if you are no longer a slave of sin, set free to serve God?
How does your sin serve God?
Jesus says, the reason "Everyone" who sins, sins...is because they are slaves to sin.
But you say, though you have been set free, no longer a slave, you still sin.
So why do you sin, if you are no longer a slave of sin, set free to serve God?
How does your sin serve God?
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To be a slave to something means it controls everything about you. This is described in Ephesians 2:1-3. We are all born dead, are being dominated, and are doomed. In verse 4 it begins to speak of what God has done about that situation.
Having been set free from this condition, the believer is now freed to pursue after God. But that doesn't come automatically. It is simply made available.
As we grow in grace, we mature in Christ and are made more and more into His image. It is not until we see Him face to face with Him that we will be fully like Him.
Having been set free from this condition, the believer is now freed to pursue after God. But that doesn't come automatically. It is simply made available.
As we grow in grace, we mature in Christ and are made more and more into His image. It is not until we see Him face to face with Him that we will be fully like Him.
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