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and it would be received more if you didn't have so many quick sharp replies with scripture you've rehearsed to prove your point and then ending with a cheap remark.
I am actually acting entirely spontaneously, I'm just that familiar with scripture.
 

Fundaamental

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Indeed, this intelligence is a better definition for Logos.
Indeed you've been stuck in this thread for 10 hours with an instant reply to everyone ending with a cheap remark, if your lonely there's better ways to have company.
 

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Why are things like Hebrews 7:1-28, 2 Corinthians 3:1-18, Ephesians 2:11-22, and Galatians 4:19-31 completely ignored across Christian sects?

We don't seem to be applying the resurrection at all, why?
That's a rather sweeping statement. However, I also find that there is much more emphasis on forgiveness of sin than newness of life. If Christians knew the power of the resurrection, sin would be much less of a problem.

There is a deep down, almost undiscernable, desire in the self of the soul to survive. Jesus said that the natural life has to be denied daily so that His life may be expressed. I would tell you how long it took me to consign every aspect of self to the cross, but it would be embarrasing. When we come to that place, hopefully sooner than I did, it means that Christ is formed in us.

Self promises everything but fails every time. "Good" is not enough. It has to be God, initiated by Him and performed in His power.

I've heard many messages on John 14:6. Preachers emphasise Jesus the Way, Jesus the Truth but stumble over Jesus the Life. Once a person is saved, "Jesus the Life" is the most important truth we can know.
 

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Why are things like Hebrews 7:1-28, 2 Corinthians 3:1-18, Ephesians 2:11-22, and Galatians 4:19-31 completely ignored across Christian sects?

We don't seem to be applying the resurrection at all, why?
What personal experience leads you to believe this is the case?
 

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FrankSophia's name should be a big clue to what he's about. In Gnosticism, Sophia (Wisdom) is considered the female aspect of God. His mention of the Logos a couple of times is another giveaway. And his preoccupation with mortifying the flesh is another.
 

Fundaamental

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FrankSophia's name should be a big clue to what he's about. In Gnosticism, Sophia (Wisdom) is considered the female aspect of God. His mention of the Logos a couple of times is another giveaway. And his preoccupation with mortifying the flesh is another.
was he refering to me to being logos, I've looked up logos it refers to have different meanings to different religions.

I've also looked up Sophia and fond this.
https://www.sophiasociety.org/liminal-spaces/sophia-became-flesh-the-subversive-wisdom-of-god
Sophia Became Flesh: The Subversive Wisdom of God
Oct 26
Written By Gary Alan Taylor
If your image of Jesus paints a thousand words, then what’s in a name?
A quick etymological study reveals the diverse and growing significance of the various names attached to Jesus of Nazareth. The Hebrew prophets called him Messiah, Prince of Peace, and Mighty God. Paul preferred to call him Christos. His followers titled him Son of God. John called him the eternal “Word.” And most modern Christians can be forgiven for thinking Christ is Jesus’ last name.
But there seems to be another name for everything, including Jesus.
Scholars have long connected the “Word” of God with the even more ancient name, the “Wisdom of God,” or Sophia. The writer of Proverbs tells us Sophia was with God in the beginning. In the apocryphal Book of Sirach, Sophia is literally the Word of God. “I came forth from the mouth of the Most High,” she proclaims. Jesus’ use of bread and wine echo’s Sophia’s cry to “Come, eat of my bread, and drink of the wine which I have mingled.” Even the Apostle Paul equates Christ with Sophia, calling Christ the “wisdom (Sophia) of God.” So, it is safe to say “Sophia became flesh and dwelt among us.”
 

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By the looks of it Sophia is a name used in many religions along with logos from what I've researched even christianity
 
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FrankSophia's name should be a big clue to what he's about. In Gnosticism, Sophia (Wisdom) is considered the female aspect of God. His mention of the Logos a couple of times is another giveaway. And his preoccupation with mortifying the flesh is another.
I'm just conveying what the bible actually says, stop trying to make me something else.

In Gnosticism the whole cosmology is stupid, and in their texts there actually isn't much wisdom at all.

The calling of the Christian is the same knowing the Gnostics proposed, but without erroneous doctrines... at least to the extent that the Christian is echoing Orthodox positions.
 

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I'm just conveying what the bible actually says, stop trying to make me something else.

In Gnosticism the whole cosmology is stupid, and in their texts there actually isn't much wisdom at all.

The calling of the Christian is the same knowing the Gnostics proposed, but without erroneous doctrines... at least to the extent that the Christian is echoing Orthodox positions.
can you tell me why you referred to me as a logos 🤔
 
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That's a rather sweeping statement. However, I also find that there is much more emphasis on forgiveness of sin than newness of life. If Christians knew the power of the resurrection, sin would be much less of a problem.

There is a deep down, almost undiscernable, desire in the self of the soul to survive. Jesus said that the natural life has to be denied daily so that His life may be expressed. I would tell you how long it took me to consign every aspect of self to the cross, but it would be embarrasing. When we come to that place, hopefully sooner than I did, it means that Christ is formed in us.

Self promises everything but fails every time. "Good" is not enough. It has to be God, initiated by Him and performed in His power.

I've heard many messages on John 14:6. Preachers emphasise Jesus the Way, Jesus the Truth but stumble over Jesus the Life. Once a person is saved, "Jesus the Life" is the most important truth we can know.
It is the case across every sect I've encountered and most Christians uphold the mistake.

Paul often discusses how sin is actually just a list of ideas for bad people, our emphasis on avoiding sin instead of moving towards love is a huge mistake that very obviously has terrible ramifications in the world.

For me, this avoidance of sins is actually an attempt to save the individual self, to make it worthy of God... the problem is that we're warned this can't result in salvation.

Christ was formed in me over a decade ago.
 
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can you tell me why you referred to me as a logos 🤔
Can you show me where I did so?

The Logos is lacking in most Christians, which causes things like young and flat earth.

The word means reason or intelligence.

It is unlikely I used it towards you in the way you're suggesting.
 

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Can you show me where I did so?

The Logos is lacking in most Christians, which causes things like young and flat earth.

The word means reason or intelligence.

It is unlikely I used it towards you in the way you're suggesting.
ok you said I was lacking logos then. Thanks friend 😊
So now I know where your coming from you think your wisdom is superior
 

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The calling of the Christian is the same knowing the Gnostics proposed,
No it isn't. Christianity is based on faith in Christ's substitutionary death and resurrection, not "knowing." The Holy Spirit can plant in someone the conviction of the truth of the gospel, but there is no such thing in Christianity as "knowing" as the Gnostics teach it.
 
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ok you said I was lacking logos then. Thanks friend 😊
So now I know where your coming from you think your wisdom is superior
You still want to make it about me in comparison to you...

Any wisdom I have is from the Spirit and is available to you, at most I would suggest I'm ahead of most for now... but I want all to get to the truth and know God directly too.
 
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No it isn't. Christianity is based on faith in Christ's substitutionary death and resurrection, not "knowing." The Holy Spirit can plant in someone the conviction of the truth of the gospel, but there is no such thing in Christianity as "knowing" as the Gnostics teach it.
Look at Ephesians 3:16-19

Faith is towards a purpose, here we learn the purpose is to know a love that surpasses knowledge and reveals the fullness of God...

For me the whole problem with Christianity is this sort of superficial understanding that avoids the real thing entirely.
 

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Look at Ephesians 3:16-19

Faith is towards a purpose, here we learn the purpose is to know a love that surpasses knowledge and reveals the fullness of God...

For me the whole problem with Christianity is this sort of superficial understanding that avoids the real thing entirely.
Okay.
 

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You still want to make it about me in comparison to you...

Any wisdom I have is from the Spirit and is available to you, at most I would suggest I'm ahead of most for now... but I want all to get to the truth and know God directly too.
I would not be making it about you . If I'm giving you the chance to answer.

Since yesterday have you had chance to think whether your ahead of Paul to.

Yesterday I told you Paul walking in the spirit was sent a thorn in his side to stop him becoming to proud,

Are you still going to say your flesh has not sinned since 2012.

And do you feel the need to die to your self daily ?.
 
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I would not be making it about you . If I'm giving you the chance to answer.

Since yesterday have you had chance to think whether your ahead of Paul to.

Yesterday I told you Paul walking in the spirit was sent a thorn in his side to stop him becoming to proud,

Are you still going to say your flesh has not sinned since 2012.

And do you feel the need to die to your self daily ?.
I have not said I'm ahead of Paul, I have said the same Spirit moving him moves me.