Did you know...Gentiles/of the Nations are the House of Israel?

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Grace911

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And promised to remarry her without breaking His own Law? When does YHWY remarry His adulterous wife?

Here is the Law that YHWH/LORD will not break, for then He would be a sinner:

Deuteronomy 24:1-4 -1)When a man has taken a wife and married her, and it happens that she finds no favor in his eyes, because he has found some uncleanness in her, then let him write her a bill of divorce and put it in her hand, and send her out of his house.
2 And when she has departed from his house, she goes and becomes another man's;
3 and the latter husband hates her and writes her a bill of divorce and puts it in her hand and sends her out of his house; or if the latter husband dies, he who took her to be his wife
4 her former husband, who sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife after she is defiled. For that is hateful before Jehovah. And you shall not cause the land to sin, which Jehovah your God gives you for an inheritance.

Jer 3:1 They say, If a man puts away his wife, and she goes from him and will be for another man, will he return to her again? Would not that land be greatly defiled? But you play the harlot with many lovers; yet come back to Me, says Jehovah.

Jer 3:8 And I saw, when for all the causes for which backsliding Israel committed adultery, I sent her away and gave a bill of divorce to her, yet her treacherous sister Judah did not fear, but she went and whored, she also.

The apostle Paul was given the understanding to this Great Mystery.

RELEASED FROM THE LAW (OF MARRIAGE AND DIVORCE/Deuteronomy 24:1-4)

Rom 7:1 Or are you ignorant, brothers; for I speak to those who know the Law; that the law has dominion over a man as long as he lives?
Rom 7:2 For the married woman was bound by law to the living husband. But if the husband is dead, she is set free from the law of her husband.
Rom 7:3 So then if, while her husband lives, she is married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress. But if the husband dies, she is free from the law, so that she is no adulteress by becoming another man's wife.
Rom 7:4 So, my brothers, you also have become dead to the law by the body of Christ so that you should be married to Another, even to Him raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit to God.

Here is what I believe to be correct understanding:
1) At Mt. Sinai the Covenant (Marriage contract) was given and all the people said "We will do all the LORD commands"
2) After King Solomon the 12 Nation Kingdom was divided into two Kingdoms, the House of Judah and the House of Israel.
3) YHWH/LORD finally divorced the House of Israel after a very long time of giving her many opportunities to repent.
4) House of Israel was taken in captivity by the Assyrians around 721 BC. They were sentenced to 390 years of punishment, and after that 7 times more if they refused to repent. (A little math - 390 x 7 = 2730 years)

Eze 4:4 Also lie on your left side, and lay the iniquity of the house of Israel on it; according to the number of days that you shall lie on it, you shall bear their iniquity.
Eze 4:5 For I have laid on you the years of their iniquity, according to the number of the days, three hundred and ninety days. So you shall bear the iniquity of the house of Israel.

Lev_26:18 And if you will not yet listen to Me for all this, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins.
Lev_26:21 And if you walk contrary to Me, and will not listen to Me, I will bring seven times more plagues on you according to your sins.
Lev_26:24 then I will walk contrary to you and will punish you seven times more for your sins.
Lev_26:28 then I will walk contrary to you also in fury. And I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins.

The House of Israel was scattered throughout the entire earth. (John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him, should not perish, but shall have everlasting life.)

Please note 721/722 BC + 2730 years = 2008/2009 AD <---- This is when the Hebrew Roots movement exploded around the world. There was a handful of House of Israel woke before then, and many are still waking up to their identity now. Think of the parable of the workers who were hired at the end of the work day and recieved the same amount of pay as those who worked all day.

In the Old Testament the word "salvation/Strong's H3444" means Yeshua. You may have heard people refer to Jesus by this Hebrew name. It means "Yah Saves". Also, in the OT we find the LORD is our Salvation/H3444/Yeshua.

Matthew 15:24 But He answered and said, I am not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

John 10:16 And I have other sheep who are not of this fold. I must also lead those, and they shall hear My voice, and there shall be one flock, one Shepherd.

Who are the "other sheep"? IDK.

Because YHWH came in the flesh as a man, was crucified willingly, died, buried and resurrected, we are now free to remarry Him. (Romans 7:4 - even to Him raised from the dead.)

This is the most beautiful mystery that was designed before man ever fail from grace in the garden. This is GRACE; God's Riches at Christ's Expense.
Even the prophet Jeremiah was puzzled by YHWH's comment Jeremiah 3:1 yet come back to Me, says Jehovah.


 

Grace911

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When does YHWY/Yeshua remarry His adulterous wife? When does the Re-Newed Covenant take place? Does the renewed covenant do away with YHWH's Laws????

Act_2:38 Then Peter said to them, Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ to remission of sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Deu_4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.
Deu_12:32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

Neh 1:5 And I said, I pray You, O Jehovah, the God of Heaven, the great and awesome God who keeps covenant and mercy for those who love Him and keep His commandments;

Mat 23:1 Then Jesus spoke to the crowd and to His disciples,
Mat 23:2 saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. (reading Word for word from the Torah - nothing added or deleted)
Mat 23:3 Therefore whatever they tell you to observe, observe and do. But do not do according to their works; for they say, and do not do.

Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been without fault, then no place would have been sought for the second.
Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, He said to them, "Behold, days are coming, says the Lord, and I will make an end on the house of Israel and on the house of Judah; a new covenant shall be,
Heb 8:9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day I took hold of their hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt," because they did not continue in My covenant, and I did not regard them, says the Lord.
Heb 8:10 "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My Laws into their mind and write them in their hearts, and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
Heb 8:11 And they shall not each man teach his neighbor, and each man his brother, saying, Know the Lord, for all shall know Me, from the least to the greatest.

The word "KNOW" is to know in an intimate way.

Hos_1:9 And He said, Call his name Not-my-people. For you are not My people, and I will not be for you.
Hos_1:10 Yet the number of the sons of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered. And it shall be, in the place where it was said to them, You are not My people, there it shall be said to them, You are the sons of the living God.
Rom_9:25 As He also says in Hosea, "I will call those not My people, My people; and those not beloved, Beloved."
Rom_9:26 And it shall be, in the place where it was said to them. "You are not My people; there they shall be called sons of the living God."

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, says Jehovah, that I will cut a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah,
Jer 31:32 not according to the covenant that I cut with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which covenant of Mine they broke, although I was a husband to them, says Jehovah;
Jer 31:33 but this shall be the covenant that I will cut with the house of Israel: After those days, says Jehovah, I will put My Law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall no more teach each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, Know Jehovah; for they shall all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says Jehovah. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sins no more.

In the custom of Israel, a bethrothal was the same as being married but there was no intimacy until the bridegroom comes from His Father's house, after preparing a home for His bride. I speak of Jesus being the bridegroom.

John 14:2 In My Father's house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
 

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Matthew 15:24 But He answered and said, I am not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. John 10:16 And I have other sheep who are not of this fold. I must also lead those, and they shall hear My voice, and there shall be one flock, one Shepherd. Who are the "other sheep"? IDK
The answer is found in Luke 2:32: A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel. So the sheep which were not of "this fold" ("thy people Israel") are in fact the Gentiles. There are a few of things to note regarding believing Gentiles:

1. Even though Christ was sent to the lost sheep of Israel, His first converts were in fact Gentiles -- Samaritans.

2. It was a Roman centurion -- a Gentile -- who exhibited more faith in Christ than anyone in Israel, and Jesus commended him for it.

3. It was the Gentile wise men -- the magoi or Magi -- who were the very first worshippers of Christ and brought Him costly gifts from a very great distance.

4. Today the Church primarily consists of Gentiles, not Jews. The gift of "tongues" (languages) in Acts 2 was a sign for unbelieving Jews to be saved. But only a small fraction were saved.

5. God does not make a mishmash of Jews and Gentiles. God still sees Israel as the twelve tribes, and He will redeem and restore Israel on earth. Gentiles DO NOT belong to "the house of Israel".

6. But God has reserved the New Jerusalem for the Church, which will primarily consist of Gentiles.
 

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Consider this

“But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son. But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance.

And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.

When the Lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.

Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, The same is become the head of the corner: This is the Lord's doing, And it is marvellous in our eyes?

Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you,


and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭21:37-43‬ ‭

And this

“I am sought of them that asked not for me; I am found of them that sought me not: I said, Behold me, behold me, unto a nation that was not called by my name.

I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts; a people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick; which remain among the graves, and lodge in the monuments, which eat swine's flesh, and broth of abominable things is in their vessels; which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou. These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day.

Behold, it is written before me: I will not keep silence, but will recompense, even recompense into their bosom, your iniquities, and the iniquities of your fathers together, saith the LORD, which have burned incense upon the mountains, and blasphemed me upon the hills: therefore will I measure their former work into their bosom.

Thus saith the LORD, As the new wine is found in the cluster, and one saith, Destroy it not; for a blessing is in it: so will I do for my servants' sakes, that I may not destroy them all. And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: and mine elect shall inherit it, and my servants shall dwell there.

Therefore will I number you to the sword, and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter: because when I called, ye did not answer; when I spake, ye did not hear; but did evil before mine eyes, and did choose that wherein I delighted not.

And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name: that he who blesseth himself in the earth shall bless himself in the God of truth; and he that sweareth in the earth shall swear by the God of truth;

because the former troubles are forgotten, and because they are hid from mine eyes.

For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth:

and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭65:1-9, 12, 15-17‬ ‭

He’s replacing the entire creation that became corrupt and wicked including the people being saved from this corrupt world for the new creation ahead

“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:1‬ ‭

The earth and heavens we know now are going to be replaced also just like this part

“ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name:”



“but the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:7, 13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I’m not sure what you mean by replacement theology but zgod says he was going to slaughter israel because they rejected the messiah when he came and betrayed and killed gods son. This part was the last straw

last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son. But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance.

And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.


And now this is true because of it like Jesus os saying there

“Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you,


and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof “

Or like the prophets repeatedly said
 
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Consider this

“But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son. But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance.

And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.

When the Lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.

Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, The same is become the head of the corner: This is the Lord's doing, And it is marvellous in our eyes?

Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you,


and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭21:37-43‬ ‭

And this

“I am sought of them that asked not for me; I am found of them that sought me not: I said, Behold me, behold me, unto a nation that was not called by my name.

I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts; a people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick; which remain among the graves, and lodge in the monuments, which eat swine's flesh, and broth of abominable things is in their vessels; which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou. These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day.

Behold, it is written before me: I will not keep silence, but will recompense, even recompense into their bosom, your iniquities, and the iniquities of your fathers together, saith the LORD, which have burned incense upon the mountains, and blasphemed me upon the hills: therefore will I measure their former work into their bosom.

Thus saith the LORD, As the new wine is found in the cluster, and one saith, Destroy it not; for a blessing is in it: so will I do for my servants' sakes, that I may not destroy them all. And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: and mine elect shall inherit it, and my servants shall dwell there.

Therefore will I number you to the sword, and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter: because when I called, ye did not answer; when I spake, ye did not hear; but did evil before mine eyes, and did choose that wherein I delighted not.

And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name: that he who blesseth himself in the earth shall bless himself in the God of truth; and he that sweareth in the earth shall swear by the God of truth;

because the former troubles are forgotten, and because they are hid from mine eyes.

For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth:

and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭65:1-9, 12, 15-17‬ ‭

He’s replacing the entire creation that became corrupt and wicked including the people being saved from this corrupt world for the new creation ahead

“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:1‬ ‭

The earth and heavens we know now are going to be replaced also just like this part

“ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name:”



“but the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:7, 13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I’m not sure what you mean by replacement theology but zgod says he was going to slaughter israel because they rejected the messiah when he came and betrayed and killed gods son. This part was the last straw

last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son. But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance.

And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.


And now this is true because of it like Jesus os saying there

“Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you,


and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof “

Or like the prophets repeatedly said
If you question the nation of Israel you get labeled anti- semite.I just don't understand how Israel being formed in the modern day was part of God's plan after he tells them to repent of their ways before he restores them,and they didn't.Yet, here's Israel.
The number three in the bible is an important number.Is the third Israel the modern day or the Israel of Revelation?

It's not anti-semite to debate it.Whoever the Israelites were in the OT are liken to the water and the gentiles are liken to the blood,and we are one.
 

Grace911

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The answer is found in Luke 2:32: A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel. So the sheep which were not of "this fold" ("thy people Israel") are in fact the Gentiles. There are a few of things to note regarding believing Gentiles:

1. Even though Christ was sent to the lost sheep of Israel, His first converts were in fact Gentiles -- Samaritans.

2. It was a Roman centurion -- a Gentile -- who exhibited more faith in Christ than anyone in Israel, and Jesus commended him for it.

3. It was the Gentile wise men -- the magoi or Magi -- who were the very first worshippers of Christ and brought Him costly gifts from a very great distance.

4. Today the Church primarily consists of Gentiles, not Jews. The gift of "tongues" (languages) in Acts 2 was a sign for unbelieving Jews to be saved. But only a small fraction were saved.

5. God does not make a mishmash of Jews and Gentiles. God still sees Israel as the twelve tribes, and He will redeem and restore Israel on earth. Gentiles DO NOT belong to "the house of Israel".

6. But God has reserved the New Jerusalem for the Church, which will primarily consist of Gentiles.
You say:
"God still sees Israel as the twelve tribes, and He will redeem and restore Israel on earth. Gentiles DO NOT belong to "the House of Israel".

After Israel was taken captivity, some time passed and they began to migrate further and further away. They forgot who they were and they forgot YHWH. Also, anyone can join because there is only one set of laws for the Israelites and for the foreigner.
 

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You say:
"God still sees Israel as the twelve tribes, and He will redeem and restore Israel on earth. Gentiles DO NOT belong to "the House of Israel".

After Israel was taken captivity, some time passed and they began to migrate further and further away. They forgot who they were and they forgot YHWH. Also, anyone can join because there is only one set of laws for the Israelites and for the foreigner.
I see danger here when you say the gentiles have replaced Israel. This is one of the major reasons for the Tribulation. Were not all the first 3000 believers in Christ jews. I assure you he has not forgot Israel. We as gentiles are grafted in.


“‘I know your tribulation and your poverty (but you are rich) and the slander of those who say that they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.

Behold, I will make those of the synagogue of Satan who say that they are Jews and are not, but lie—behold, I will make them come and bow down before your feet, and learn that I have loved you.

Romans 11:11 I ask, then, has God rejected his people? By no means! I myself am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, a member of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God has not rejected his people whom he foreknew

25 Lest you be wise in your own conceits, I want you to understand this mystery, brethren: a hardening has come upon part of Israel, until the full number of the Gentiles come in, 26 and so all Israel will be saved; as it is written,

“The Deliverer will come from Zion,
he will banish ungodliness from Jacob”;
27 “and this will be my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”
28 As regards the gospel they are enemies of God, for your sake; but as regards election they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers. 29 For the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable. 30 Just as you were once disobedient to God but now have received mercy because of their disobedience, 31 so they have now been disobedient in order that by the mercy shown to you they also may[b] receive mercy. 32 For God has consigned all men to disobedience, that he may have mercy upon all.
 

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And promised to remarry her without breaking His own Law? When does YHWY remarry His adulterous wife?

Here is the Law that YHWH/LORD will not break, for then He would be a sinner:

Deuteronomy 24:1-4 -1)When a man has taken a wife and married her, and it happens that she finds no favor in his eyes, because he has found some uncleanness in her, then let him write her a bill of divorce and put it in her hand, and send her out of his house.
2 And when she has departed from his house, she goes and becomes another man's;
3 and the latter husband hates her and writes her a bill of divorce and puts it in her hand and sends her out of his house; or if the latter husband dies, he who took her to be his wife
4 her former husband, who sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife after she is defiled. For that is hateful before Jehovah. And you shall not cause the land to sin, which Jehovah your God gives you for an inheritance.

Jer 3:1 They say, If a man puts away his wife, and she goes from him and will be for another man, will he return to her again? Would not that land be greatly defiled? But you play the harlot with many lovers; yet come back to Me, says Jehovah.

Jer 3:8 And I saw, when for all the causes for which backsliding Israel committed adultery, I sent her away and gave a bill of divorce to her, yet her treacherous sister Judah did not fear, but she went and whored, she also.

The apostle Paul was given the understanding to this Great Mystery.

RELEASED FROM THE LAW (OF MARRIAGE AND DIVORCE/Deuteronomy 24:1-4)

Rom 7:1 Or are you ignorant, brothers; for I speak to those who know the Law; that the law has dominion over a man as long as he lives?
Rom 7:2 For the married woman was bound by law to the living husband. But if the husband is dead, she is set free from the law of her husband.
Rom 7:3 So then if, while her husband lives, she is married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress. But if the husband dies, she is free from the law, so that she is no adulteress by becoming another man's wife.
Rom 7:4 So, my brothers, you also have become dead to the law by the body of Christ so that you should be married to Another, even to Him raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit to God.

Here is what I believe to be correct understanding:
1) At Mt. Sinai the Covenant (Marriage contract) was given and all the people said "We will do all the LORD commands"
2) After King Solomon the 12 Nation Kingdom was divided into two Kingdoms, the House of Judah and the House of Israel.
3) YHWH/LORD finally divorced the House of Israel after a very long time of giving her many opportunities to repent.
4) House of Israel was taken in captivity by the Assyrians around 721 BC. They were sentenced to 390 years of punishment, and after that 7 times more if they refused to repent. (A little math - 390 x 7 = 2730 years)

Eze 4:4 Also lie on your left side, and lay the iniquity of the house of Israel on it; according to the number of days that you shall lie on it, you shall bear their iniquity.
Eze 4:5 For I have laid on you the years of their iniquity, according to the number of the days, three hundred and ninety days. So you shall bear the iniquity of the house of Israel.

Lev_26:18 And if you will not yet listen to Me for all this, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins.
Lev_26:21 And if you walk contrary to Me, and will not listen to Me, I will bring seven times more plagues on you according to your sins.
Lev_26:24 then I will walk contrary to you and will punish you seven times more for your sins.
Lev_26:28 then I will walk contrary to you also in fury. And I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins.

The House of Israel was scattered throughout the entire earth. (John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him, should not perish, but shall have everlasting life.)

Please note 721/722 BC + 2730 years = 2008/2009 AD <---- This is when the Hebrew Roots movement exploded around the world. There was a handful of House of Israel woke before then, and many are still waking up to their identity now. Think of the parable of the workers who were hired at the end of the work day and recieved the same amount of pay as those who worked all day.

In the Old Testament the word "salvation/Strong's H3444" means Yeshua. You may have heard people refer to Jesus by this Hebrew name. It means "Yah Saves". Also, in the OT we find the LORD is our Salvation/H3444/Yeshua.

Matthew 15:24 But He answered and said, I am not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

John 10:16 And I have other sheep who are not of this fold. I must also lead those, and they shall hear My voice, and there shall be one flock, one Shepherd.

Who are the "other sheep"? IDK.

Because YHWH came in the flesh as a man, was crucified willingly, died, buried and resurrected, we are now free to remarry Him. (Romans 7:4 - even to Him raised from the dead.)

This is the most beautiful mystery that was designed before man ever fail from grace in the garden. This is GRACE; God's Riches at Christ's Expense.
Even the prophet Jeremiah was puzzled by YHWH's comment Jeremiah 3:1 yet come back to Me, says Jehovah.
your premise is wrong for God enquires of Israel "where are your papers of divorce?" They are our enemies for the sake of the gospel but as touching ELECTION they are BELOVED for the sake of their fathers for God's calling and gifts are irrevocable.
 

Grace911

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I see danger here when you say the gentiles have replaced Israel. This is one of the major reasons for the Tribulation. Were not all the first 3000 believers in Christ jews. I assure you he has not forgot Israel. We as gentiles are grafted in.


“‘I know your tribulation and your poverty (but you are rich) and the slander of those who say that they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.

Behold, I will make those of the synagogue of Satan who say that they are Jews and are not, but lie—behold, I will make them come and bow down before your feet, and learn that I have loved you.

Romans 11:11 I ask, then, has God rejected his people? By no means! I myself am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, a member of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God has not rejected his people whom he foreknew

25 Lest you be wise in your own conceits, I want you to understand this mystery, brethren: a hardening has come upon part of Israel, until the full number of the Gentiles come in, 26 and so all Israel will be saved; as it is written,

“The Deliverer will come from Zion,
he will banish ungodliness from Jacob”;
27 “and this will be my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”
28 As regards the gospel they are enemies of God, for your sake; but as regards election they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers. 29 For the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable. 30 Just as you were once disobedient to God but now have received mercy because of their disobedience, 31 so they have now been disobedient in order that by the mercy shown to you they also may[b] receive mercy. 32 For God has consigned all men to disobedience, that he may have mercy upon all.
Let me ask you this. When you say the gentiles have replaced Israel, do you think of Israel as just the House of Judah, made up of just the tribe of Judah and Benjamin and some of the Levites? Or do you see Israel as all 12 tribes? Or do you see the lost sheep/ten tribers/House of Israel as Israel?

When the House of Israel/TEN TRIBERS was taken into captivity and then scattered around the world, they FORGOT THEIR HERITAGE AND GOD'S WAYS. THEY BECAME OF THE NATIONS/GENTILES. THEY DID NOT REPLACE ISRAEL, BECAUSE THEY ARE OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL.
 

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Let me ask you this. When you say the gentiles have replaced Israel, do you think of Israel as just the House of Judah, made up of just the tribe of Judah and Benjamin and some of the Levites? Or do you see Israel as all 12 tribes? Or do you see the lost sheep/ten tribers/House of Israel as Israel?

When the House of Israel/TEN TRIBERS was taken into captivity and then scattered around the world, they FORGOT THEIR HERITAGE AND GOD'S WAYS. THEY BECAME OF THE NATIONS/GENTILES. THEY DID NOT REPLACE ISRAEL, BECAUSE THEY ARE OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL.
I did't say the gentiles have replaced Israel. Israel is any jew from any of the 12 tribes. Not all went into captivity and many by choice over a long period of time. During the times of Jesus most of the year only Judah and Benjamin plus some Levites lived in Israel year around but millions came during the major feasts. Having a hard time determining wht you mean by the house of Israel. Jews do not become gentiles
 

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I did't say the gentiles have replaced Israel. Israel is any jew from any of the 12 tribes. Not all went into captivity and many by choice over a long period of time. During the times of Jesus most of the year only Judah and Benjamin plus some Levites lived in Israel year around but millions came during the major feasts. Having a hard time determining wht you mean by the house of Israel. Jews do not become gentiles
There are not 12 tribes of Jews. There is only one tribe called Judah. And of the House of Judah is made up of Judah, Benjamin and some Levites. They became two Kingdoms after King Solomon died and split into the Northern Kingdom and the Southern Kingdom. Jesus is to bring the two Kingdoms back into One Kingdom. If the Gentiles want to join that One Kingdom, they must graft into the commonweallh of Israel.

 

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James 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
 

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And promised to remarry her without breaking His own Law? When does YHWY remarry His adulterous wife?

Here is the Law that YHWH/LORD will not break, for then He would be a sinner:

Deuteronomy 24:1-4 -1)When a man has taken a wife and married her, and it happens that she finds no favor in his eyes, because he has found some uncleanness in her, then let him write her a bill of divorce and put it in her hand, and send her out of his house.
2 And when she has departed from his house, she goes and becomes another man's;
3 and the latter husband hates her and writes her a bill of divorce and puts it in her hand and sends her out of his house; or if the latter husband dies, he who took her to be his wife
4 her former husband, who sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife after she is defiled. For that is hateful before Jehovah. And you shall not cause the land to sin, which Jehovah your God gives you for an inheritance.

Jer 3:1 They say, If a man puts away his wife, and she goes from him and will be for another man, will he return to her again? Would not that land be greatly defiled? But you play the harlot with many lovers; yet come back to Me, says Jehovah.

Jer 3:8 And I saw, when for all the causes for which backsliding Israel committed adultery, I sent her away and gave a bill of divorce to her, yet her treacherous sister Judah did not fear, but she went and whored, she also.

The apostle Paul was given the understanding to this Great Mystery.

RELEASED FROM THE LAW (OF MARRIAGE AND DIVORCE/Deuteronomy 24:1-4)

Rom 7:1 Or are you ignorant, brothers; for I speak to those who know the Law; that the law has dominion over a man as long as he lives?
Rom 7:2 For the married woman was bound by law to the living husband. But if the husband is dead, she is set free from the law of her husband.
Rom 7:3 So then if, while her husband lives, she is married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress. But if the husband dies, she is free from the law, so that she is no adulteress by becoming another man's wife.
Rom 7:4 So, my brothers, you also have become dead to the law by the body of Christ so that you should be married to Another, even to Him raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit to God.

Here is what I believe to be correct understanding:
1) At Mt. Sinai the Covenant (Marriage contract) was given and all the people said "We will do all the LORD commands"
2) After King Solomon the 12 Nation Kingdom was divided into two Kingdoms, the House of Judah and the House of Israel.
3) YHWH/LORD finally divorced the House of Israel after a very long time of giving her many opportunities to repent.
4) House of Israel was taken in captivity by the Assyrians around 721 BC. They were sentenced to 390 years of punishment, and after that 7 times more if they refused to repent. (A little math - 390 x 7 = 2730 years)

Eze 4:4 Also lie on your left side, and lay the iniquity of the house of Israel on it; according to the number of days that you shall lie on it, you shall bear their iniquity.
Eze 4:5 For I have laid on you the years of their iniquity, according to the number of the days, three hundred and ninety days. So you shall bear the iniquity of the house of Israel.

Lev_26:18 And if you will not yet listen to Me for all this, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins.
Lev_26:21 And if you walk contrary to Me, and will not listen to Me, I will bring seven times more plagues on you according to your sins.
Lev_26:24 then I will walk contrary to you and will punish you seven times more for your sins.
Lev_26:28 then I will walk contrary to you also in fury. And I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins.

The House of Israel was scattered throughout the entire earth. (John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him, should not perish, but shall have everlasting life.)

Please note 721/722 BC + 2730 years = 2008/2009 AD <---- This is when the Hebrew Roots movement exploded around the world. There was a handful of House of Israel woke before then, and many are still waking up to their identity now. Think of the parable of the workers who were hired at the end of the work day and recieved the same amount of pay as those who worked all day.

In the Old Testament the word "salvation/Strong's H3444" means Yeshua. You may have heard people refer to Jesus by this Hebrew name. It means "Yah Saves". Also, in the OT we find the LORD is our Salvation/H3444/Yeshua.

Matthew 15:24 But He answered and said, I am not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

John 10:16 And I have other sheep who are not of this fold. I must also lead those, and they shall hear My voice, and there shall be one flock, one Shepherd.

Who are the "other sheep"? IDK.

Because YHWH came in the flesh as a man, was crucified willingly, died, buried and resurrected, we are now free to remarry Him. (Romans 7:4 - even to Him raised from the dead.)

This is the most beautiful mystery that was designed before man ever fail from grace in the garden. This is GRACE; God's Riches at Christ's Expense.
Even the prophet Jeremiah was puzzled by YHWH's comment Jeremiah 3:1 yet come back to Me, says Jehovah.
In the Prophets and Revelation, the number "seven" figuratively stands for God's perfect, complete number. It is not literal in those passages. The house of Israel can mean the whole twelve tribes but also the ten tribes. Your description sounds to me like the Mormon beliefs. Are you a Mormon?
 

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In the Prophets and Revelation, the number "seven" figuratively stands for God's perfect, complete number. It is not literal in those passages. The house of Israel can mean the whole twelve tribes but also the ten tribes. Your description sounds to me like the Mormon beliefs. Are you a Mormon?
Not a Mormon. I did hear a bit that they believe also in the 12 tribes, and "ADD" another book to the Bible. That alone keeps me from learning anything more about them.

Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

Deuteronomy 12:32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.
 

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Let me ask you this. When you say the gentiles have replaced Israel, do you think of Israel as just the House of Judah, made up of just the tribe of Judah and Benjamin and some of the Levites? Or do you see Israel as all 12 tribes? Or do you see the lost sheep/ten tribers/House of Israel as Israel?

When the House of Israel/TEN TRIBERS was taken into captivity and then scattered around the world, they FORGOT THEIR HERITAGE AND GOD'S WAYS. THEY BECAME OF THE NATIONS/GENTILES. THEY DID NOT REPLACE ISRAEL, BECAUSE THEY ARE OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL.
There are no "lost tribes". This theory has been so harmful, you got the black hebrew israelites, you got the british israelism group, you got the khazars and the list goes on and on. Everyone is claiming to be the chosen ones, all with no proof other than "God told me"
I have "jewish DNA" (if that is even a thing anymore, honestly) from my mother's side yet I don't walk around saying im a Jew. Why? Because I would want to be known as a CHRISTIAN not a Jew, first of all, and second of all because I didn't grow up with any of the judaism, and thirdly because I truly doubt that everyone of these ashkenazi jews who belong to a synagogue is ACTUALLY a descendant of Jacob. And if they are, then so am I and everyone else, a 4% descendant that is.

James 1:1 is written in the first century and the 12 tribes are still there.

Today it is impossible to trace your lineage back because the temple was destroyed and with it everything that was judaism. That is why they had to invent "rabbinic judaism" since there is no more temple nor way to atone for sins. When Israel was in captivity for 70 years there was already some questions as to who really was and wasnt an israelite, who was whose son and other genealogy issues. Now imagine this after 2000 years.... There is just no way. There has been so much intermingling that if someone is 10% israelite that hardly counts.

The truth is that ethnicity really doesn't matter anymore as we are one in Christ.
 

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If anyone could actually PROVE they are part of the lost tribes I would be onboard. Not just speculation but actual proof, the only issue is, since it has been 2000 years since judaism died, how can there be any proof? Its like proving you are a descendant of the samaritan who Jesus met, HOW could you prove such a thing?