CSA President, Jefferson Davis’ disquise.

[AcceptedintheBeloved]

When Confederate President Jefferson Davis made his retreat from the capital of the Confederate States of America, Richmond Virginia, he did so in drag, Yes, he dressed as a woman in order to avoid detection, but a smart Union Officer took a chance that it was him.

Davis was sent to prison where they deprived him of sleep by changing the guard regularly and stomping their boots.

When he was released he moved to a plantation in Mobile Mississippi where he lived out his life n peace. I don’t know how long he was locked up for.

 

[AcceptedintheBeloved]

I know that everyone has an opinion about the 1862-1864 era, I do as well, but I’m a amateur historian and when I have my historian hat on I separate from my opinions and take a more benign approach. Feeling are stronger today about the Civil War and everything involving it than they were then.

Me, I am not going to judge President Davis, only report n history. 🙂

 

[AcceptedintheBeloved]

All that said, I will not be benign toward Carpet Baggers, they’re loathsome to me, are there any here at CC? 😂

 

[HopeinHim98]

I love history about the War Between the States! The narrative most American children were taught is not really how it was. I'm from Mobile, AL. (BTW, could you have been mistaken about the place in Mississippi that President Davis spent the rest of his life? I'm not aware of a Mobile, Ms.)

I didn't know that about Davis disguising himself as a woman to attempt an escape. I do know that kind of thing happened during WW2 and probably many other times. I couldn't conscientiously cross-dress to escape... and looks like it didn't help him anyway.

 

[hornetguy]

Santa Ana dressed himself as a common soldier trying to escape the Texians..... that didn't work out, either.

 

[Cameron143]

Santa Ana dressed himself as a common soldier trying to escape the Texians..... that didn't work out, either.

On would think that after reading The Prince and the Pauper more people would find doppelgangers.

 

[iamsoandso]

When Confederate President Jefferson Davis made his retreat from the capital of the Confederate States of America, Richmond Virginia, he did so in drag, Yes, he dressed as a woman in order to avoid detection, but a smart Union Officer took a chance that it was him.

Davis was sent to prison where they deprived him of sleep by changing the guard regularly and stomping their boots.

When he was released he moved to a plantation in Mobile Mississippi where he lived out his life n peace. I don’t know how long he was locked up for.

https://www.americanheritage.com/was-jefferson-davis-captured-dress

 

[hornetguy]

On would think that after reading The Prince and the Pauper more people would find doppelgangers.

Like the movie "Dave" with Kevin Kline

 

[arthurfleminger]

When Confederate President Jefferson Davis made his retreat from the capital of the Confederate States of America, Richmond Virginia, he did so in drag, Yes, he dressed as a woman in order to avoid detection, but a smart Union Officer took a chance that it was him.

Davis was sent to prison where they deprived him of sleep by changing the guard regularly and stomping their boots.

When he was released he moved to a plantation in Mobile Mississippi where he lived out his life n peace. I don’t know how long he was locked up for.

Your story is exaggerated somewhat. In fact, controversy surrounds his capture, as Davis was wearing his wife’s black shawl (not the same as being dressed in drag) when the Union troops cornered him.

The Northern press ridiculed him as a coward (the press has never been trustworthy), alleging that he had disguised himself as a woman in an ill-fated attempt to escape. However, Davis, and especially his wife, Varina, maintained that he was ill and that Varina had lent him her shawl to keep his health up during their difficult journey.

Imprisoned for two years at Fort Monroe, Virginia, Davis was indicted for treason, but was never tried—the federal government feared that Davis would be able prove to a jury that the Southern secession of 1860 to 1861 was legal.
After his imprisonment, he retired to Beauvoir, his home near Biloxi, Mississippi,

Here is an 'in depth' write of of Davis' capture from American Heritage and this account does not have him dressing up as a woman. Was Jefferson Davis Captured In A Dress? (Fal 10,Vol:60 Issue:3) (americanheritage.com)

 

[Lynx]

Your story is exaggerated somewhat. In fact, controversy surrounds his capture, as Davis was wearing his wife’s black shawl (not the same as being dressed in drag) when the Union troops cornered him.

The Northern press ridiculed him as a coward (the press has never been trustworthy), alleging that he had disguised himself as a woman in an ill-fated attempt to escape. However, Davis, and especially his wife, Varina, maintained that he was ill and that Varina had lent him her shawl to keep his health up during their difficult journey.

Imprisoned for two years at Fort Monroe, Virginia, Davis was indicted for treason, but was never tried—the federal government feared that Davis would be able prove to a jury that the Southern secession of 1860 to 1861 was legal.
After his imprisonment, he retired to Beauvoir, his home near Biloxi, Mississippi,

Here is an 'in depth' write of of Davis' capture from American Heritage and this account does not have him dressing up as a woman. Was Jefferson Davis Captured In A Dress? (Fal 10,Vol:60 Issue:3) (americanheritage.com)

Hush! You're ruining their fun...

 

[HopeinHim98]

Your story is exaggerated somewhat. In fact, controversy surrounds his capture, as Davis was wearing his wife’s black shawl (not the same as being dressed in drag) when the Union troops cornered him.

The Northern press ridiculed him as a coward (the press has never been trustworthy), alleging that he had disguised himself as a woman in an ill-fated attempt to escape. However, Davis, and especially his wife, Varina, maintained that he was ill and that Varina had lent him her shawl to keep his health up during their difficult journey.

Imprisoned for two years at Fort Monroe, Virginia, Davis was indicted for treason, but was never tried—the federal government feared that Davis would be able prove to a jury that the Southern secession of 1860 to 1861 was legal.
After his imprisonment, he retired to Beauvoir, his home near Biloxi, Mississippi,

Here is an 'in depth' write of of Davis' capture from American Heritage and this account does not have him dressing up as a woman. Was Jefferson Davis Captured In A Dress? (Fal 10,Vol:60 Issue:3) (americanheritage.com)

Wow thanks for that info!

 

[AcceptedintheBeloved]

I love history about the War Between the States! The narrative most American children were taught is not really how it was. I'm from Mobile, AL. (BTW, could you have been mistaken about the place in Mississippi that President Davis spent the rest of his life? I'm not aware of a Mobile, Ms.)

I didn't know that about Davis disguising himself as a woman to attempt an escape. I do know that kind of thing happened during WW2 and probably many other times. I couldn't conscientiously cross-dress to escape... and looks like it didn't help him anyway.

This 74 year old makes a lot of errors in recollection, your absolutely correct on it being Mobile Ala

It is not treasonous for states to secede from the Union when section or one Party is treacherous over another.

— That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness… it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.***
oll.libertyfund.org/quote/jefferson-on-the-right-to-change-one-s-governmen…

It being to hard a task to depose such government of the North the states had to leave, the alternative, remain financial enslaved.

Note: I bet the fighters here hated for me to be absence most the day, they want to keep the fires of discord raging and it cool a bit without me.

 

[HopeinHim98]

your absolutely correct on it being Mobile Ala

I think you were right about him spending the rest of his life in Mississippi though. I looked it up and he moved to an estate called Beauvoir near Biloxi. Not too far from Mobile, AL.

 

[gb9]

This 74 year old makes a lot of errors in recollection, your absolutely correct on it being Mobile Ala

It is not treasonous for states to secede from the Union when section or one Party is treacherous over another.

— That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness… it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.***
oll.libertyfund.org/quote/jefferson-on-the-right-to-change-one-s-governmen…

It being to hard a task to depose such government of the North the states had to leave, the alternative, remain financial enslaved.

Note: I bet the fighters here hated for me to be absence most the day, they want to keep the fires of discord raging and it cool a bit without me.

if you read the treaty of Paris, ( 1783) , it basically sets up the states as independent with a loose federal gov.

they had every right to leave.

 

[AcceptedintheBeloved]

Yes, the states were sovereign and independent and they still have states rights.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

if you read the treaty of Paris, ( 1783) , it basically sets up the states as independent with a loose federal gov.

they had every right to leave.

The rest of the world refer to them as "nation states". Even the United Nations uses the term "states" in that context. Since the War of Northern Aggression/ Civil War, view of the states have been gradually morphing into more like counties of the Federal. The states are now looked at as subservient regions belonging to the superior authorities of the corporate USA. This is exactly the opposite of what the Antifederalist Papers and even Federalists recognized. The states have been incrementally conquered further by the Fed, starting with the dictatorship at the end of that war.

 

[AcceptedintheBeloved]

The Federal Government is a good servant, but a very bad master.

 

[AcceptedintheBeloved]

In the cotton states they paid through the nose in tariffs on cotton and in other extreme ways to take revenue. The North dealt very treacherously with the South.

 

[Cameron143]

In the cotton states they paid through the nose in tariffs on cotton and in other extreme ways to take revenue. The North dealt very treacherously with the South.

The tariffs weren't from the North. The tariffs were from foreign trading partners. The North put heavy tariffs on imports to protect Northern industry. The South paid the price for it.
Slavery was a large part of the cause for the Civil War, but sectional differences were very real.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

This is a sample of the Antifederalists Papers. This commentary covers 5-7 of Patrick Henry's speeches. Please keep in mind that there was much debate and dissent over the Federal Constitution. Without the Bill of Rights being added, there would be no agreement or ratification by the colonies.
This should provide a context to part of the Southern perspective of the War of Northern Aggression aka Civil War. This information was purposely left out of public school text books, so there's bound to be some strong disagreement on my points.

I love history about the War Between the States! The narrative most American children were taught is not really how it was. I'm from Mobile, AL. (BTW, could you have been mistaken about the place in Mississippi that President Davis spent the rest of his life? I'm not aware of a Mobile, Ms.)

I didn't know that about Davis disguising himself as a woman to attempt an escape. I do know that kind of thing happened during WW2 and probably many other times. I couldn't conscientiously cross-dress to escape... and looks like it didn't help him anyway.