Angels can procreate

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JohnB said:
I have heard repeatedly in church that angels cannot procreate. That is not true, according to the bible.

"when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown." Genesis 6:4. It had nothing to do with them being fallen angels. They were able to have children.
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This scripture does not really use the term angels. What it says is that the sons of God took wives for themselves and had children. We read in Genesis 6:2: "That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose." Sons of God in the Bible are true believers. We read in John 1:12: "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:" This is talking about human believers. They are the sons of God. It seems that the believers (sons of God) took wives from the daughters of men that perhaps were not believers. This is humans procreating with humans, nothing too strange then that they would have children.
 
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JohnB said:
The Nephililm were born from the relationships angels had with the human women. Unless you're saying there were other people on the earth with Adam.
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Adam begot sons and daughters, Im not sure how many hundreds of thousands of compounding people there would have been after say 1000yrs.
 
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JohnB said:
I have heard repeatedly in church that angels cannot procreate. That is not true, according to the bible.

"when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown." Genesis 6:4. It had nothing to do with them being fallen angels. They were able to have children.
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Yes indeed.. A classic case of the need to trust in the Word of God rather then the teachings of men...
 
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birdie said:
This scripture does not really use the term angels. What it says is that the sons of God took wives for themselves and had children. We read in Genesis 6:2: "That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose." Sons of God in the Bible are true believers. We read in John 1:12: "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:" This is talking about human believers. They are the sons of God. It seems that the believers (sons of God) took wives from the daughters of men that perhaps were not believers. This is humans procreating with humans, nothing too strange then that they would have children.
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That's not sexy and provocative enough for @JohnB ..... he likes over the top supernatural illicit sexy version.
He needs it to be true because he has these sexy fantasies of heaven where he gets everything denied to him here on earth.
 
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That's not sexy and provocative enough for @JohnB ..... he likes over the top supernatural illicit sexy version.
He needs it to be true because he has these sexy fantasies of heaven where he gets everything denied to him here on earth.
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So since when to "true believers" and non-believers make giants? why are so many Christians against sex in heaven? You make sex sound like something evil.
 
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They can eat?

You have seen one eat?
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"He then brought some curds and milk and the calf that had been prepared, and set these before them. While they ate, he stood near them under a tree. " Genesis 18:8. When Abraham met the 3 men going to Sodom.
 
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birdie said:
This scripture does not really use the term angels. What it says is that the sons of God took wives for themselves and had children. We read in Genesis 6:2: "That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose." Sons of God in the Bible are true believers. We read in John 1:12: "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:" This is talking about human believers. They are the sons of God. It seems that the believers (sons of God) took wives from the daughters of men that perhaps were not believers. This is humans procreating with humans, nothing too strange then that they would have children.
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Why are Christians so against sex in heaven? Is having sex something evil to you?
 
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JohnB said:
So since when to "true believers" and non-believers make giants? why are so many Christians against sex in heaven? You make sex sound like something evil.
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The evil is twisting God's word to justify a notion that is not scriptural like there will be sex in heaven, it is most annoying how you employ this tactic of accusing of something I never stated to puff up your false position.
 
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JohnB said:
"He then brought some curds and milk and the calf that had been prepared, and set these before them. While they ate, he stood near them under a tree. " Genesis 18:8. When Abraham met the 3 men going to Sodom.
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That was on earth, I meant to specify heaven?
 
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HeIsHere said:
They can eat?

You have seen one eat?
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The Bible records the visit of Angels to Abraham and His wife.. Abraham had food prepared for them and they ate the food offered to them..

These two angels whet to Sodom to visit and give warning to Lot.. During their time there the men of Sodom wanted to have homosexual relations with them.. So Job put them in his house and tried to keep the men from getting at the angels.. Then the angels struck the men of Sodom with blindness and they physically reached out and pulled Lot into the house with them... Read the account in Genesis 18 and Genesis 19..

Also The third visitor to Abraham and His wife was The LORD Himself in physical form..
 
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The Bible records the visit of Angels to Abraham and His wife.. Abraham had food prepared for them and they ate the food offered to them..

These two angels whet to Sodom to visit and give warning to Lot.. During their time there the men of Sodom wanted to have homosexual relations with them.. So Job put them in his house and tried to keep the men from getting at the angels.. Then the angels struck the men of Sodom with blindness and they physically reached out and pulled Lot into the house with them... Read the account in Genesis 18 and Genesis 19..

Also The third visitor to Abraham and His wife was The LORD Himself in physical form..
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I am talking about heaven, eating and having sex in heaven.
No angels cannot procreate, otherwise the planet will be filled with these creatures, are they present right now?
They should have overcome the human race by now?
 
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HeIsHere said:
I am talking about heaven, eating and having sex in heaven.
No angels cannot procreate, otherwise the planet will be filled with these creatures, are they present right now?
They should have overcome the human race by now?
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You can have sex and not procreate. Some Christians think the only reason to have sex is to procreate. Are you one of them?
 
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HeIsHere said:
I am talking about heaven, eating and having sex in heaven.
No angels cannot procreate, otherwise the planet will be filled with these creatures, are they present right now?
They should have overcome the human race by now?
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Well there is a number of different topics here..

One being can angels take physical human form.. And the answer to that is Yes.. They did in the times of Genisis and procreated with human woman.. And we see in jude that these angels where punished by God by being thrown into the bottomless pit where they await the day of judgement::

(Jude 1:6) "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."

The second topic is sex in heaven.. which is a totally different topic to the first one..

There is no sex in heaven.. All the recorded angels have all been Males and you can be assured that God does not allow homosexuality in Heaven.. This shows why some of the Angels came down to earth to get with human woman... There where no angelic females in heaven.. Also Jesus made it clear that there would be no marriage in heaven when He answered a question from the Sadducees.. that we would be like angels in heaven.. not engaging in such activity..

(Matthew 22:29-30) "Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. {30} For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven."

As for eating in eternity we only need go to the Book of Revelation again to find an answer for that one..

(Revelation 22:1-2) "And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. {2} In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations."

So 12 fruits a different one for us to eat every month of the year and the leaves of the tree will be consumed for the healing of the nations....
 
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HeIsHere said:
No angels cannot procreate, otherwise the planet will be filled with these creatures, are they present right now?
They should have overcome the human race by now?
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The angels that where tempted by human woman have all been locked up in everlasting chains.. The Angels that resisted leaving Heaven to get with human woman and thus will not being making that error ( seeing the punishment meeted out to the other Angels that did..) They will not be seeking to overcome the human race but are loyal to God..
 
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Magenta said:
"Giants" exist to this day. Are angels still having sex with women, then?
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when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown. ....are they heros men of renown?
 
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JohnB said:
when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them.
They were the heroes of old, men of renown. ....are they heros men of renown?
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You did not answer my question.
 
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