Sermons on the law.

[heartwashed]

The law says, "Thou shalt not..." fill in the blank.

Now if I tell you not to think of a pink elephant, what is the first thing you are going to think of?

A pink elephant, right?

The law only instigates us to do what it prohibits; for that is our sin nature at work...when we are told not to do something, we want to do it.

When we are married to Christ, on the other hand, He gives us a positive commandment..."love other people".

So, what is our first thought in that case?

To love other people.

It is not a negative commandment so we are not inclined to break it.

It is positive, like saying to someone, think of a real elephant...

Now, if I am rebellious I may even try not to think of a real elephant.

But chances are that I am going to think of a real elephant.

 

[TMS]

Jesus condemns those who break God's laws; but the only way to avoid breaking the law is to have no law to break.

As believers in Christ and what He did for us on the Cross, we are not under the law (Romans 6:14), are dead to the law (Romans 7:4, Galatians 2:19) and are delivered from the law (Romans 7:6).

The law does not apply to us as concerning condemnation...therefore we have no law to break. We are forgiven of past, present, and future sins...and this means that God does not hold our sins against us when we commit them, any longer.

Therefore, the law does not point us out as sinners any longer. We cannot break God's laws because we are not under the law, are dead to the law, and are delivered from the law

When did we have no law?

No law = no sin.
No sin = no need for repentance of sin. = no need for forgiveness..

I agree the law does not condemn us because of what Jesus has done to pay our price. The law is still applying but not to us because Jesus paid the debt.

Jesus forgives us because He can free us of the debt.

The moral law has not been removed or changed. We are all sinners, and have all fallen short but all have access to the gift of grace that Jesus purchased with His life, death and resurrection.

True we are not under the condemnation of the law, but the law still defines sin and we should not continue in sin because Jesus's grace can cover us.

Rom 6:1-2
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Rom 6:14-15
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. 15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

 

[heartwashed]

When did we have no law?

No law = no sin.
No sin = no need for repentance of sin. = no need for forgiveness..

I agree the law does not condemn us because of what Jesus has done to pay our price. The law is still applying but not to us because Jesus paid the debt.

Jesus forgives us because He can free us of the debt.

The moral law has not been removed or changed. We are all sinners, and have all fallen short but all have access to the gift of grace that Jesus purchased with His life, death and resurrection.

True we are not under the condemnation of the law, but the law still defines sin and we should not continue in sin because Jesus's grace can cover us.

Rom 6:1-2
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Rom 6:14-15
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. 15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

I would suggest reading the other messages in this thread.

Let me say to you that from the perspective of God the Father He sees no sin in us because we are covered by the blood.

From the Holy Ghost's perspective, He sees our sin because He is the One who does the work of sanctification and He pinpoints our sin so that we can confess and be forgiven and also cleansed from all unrighteousness.

Yes, there is a sense in which the law applies. It defines us as sinners (from our perspective) but from the Father's perspective it doesn't define us as sinners.

It is also written on our hearts and minds. So, for the most part, we should be obedient to the law as Christians.

 

[TMS]

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I would suggest reading the other messages in this thread.

Let me say to you that from the perspective of God the Father He sees no sin in us because we are covered by the blood.

From the Holy Ghost's perspective, He sees our sin because He is the One who does the work of sanctification and He pinpoints our sin so that we can confess and be forgiven and also cleansed from all unrighteousness.

Yes, there is a sense in which the law applies. It defines us as sinners (from our perspective) but from the Father's perspective it doesn't define us as sinners.

It is also written on our hearts and minds. So, for the most part, we should be obedient to the law as Christians.

God knows everything and sees everything.
Norhing is hidden.

The law helps us to see our need.

Our need for a saviour.
Our need for grace.
Our need for change.
Our need for obedience
Our need for forgiveness.

No law = no sin.

If we stand before God without the blood of Jesus we will be condemned to death because we have sinned.
One sin = eternal death.

If we do have the blood of Jesus we are seen as sinless and without fault. God will judge us as if we have never sinned.

The law is perfect and has not changed or been removed.
The guilt for transgressing the law was paid and removed by Jesus.

 

[heartwashed]

Rom 6:14, For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Gal 5:18, But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Rom 7:4, Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

Gal 2:19, For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.

Rom 7:6, But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

 

[heartwashed]

This is a good thread.

 

[heartwashed]

This is a good thread.

...if I say so myself!

 

[oyster67]

Love and kindness is above the law,

And fulfils the Law, just like Jesus did...

Luke 4:21 Context

18The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. 20And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. 21And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

When did we have no law?

No law = no sin.
No sin = no need for repentance of sin. = no need for forgiveness..

I agree the law does not condemn us because of what Jesus has done to pay our price. The law is still applying but not to us because Jesus paid the debt.

Jesus forgives us because He can free us of the debt.

The moral law has not been removed or changed. We are all sinners, and have all fallen short but all have access to the gift of grace that Jesus purchased with His life, death and resurrection.

True we are not under the condemnation of the law, but the law still defines sin and we should not continue in sin because Jesus's grace can cover us.

Rom 6:1-2
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Rom 6:14-15
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. 15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

“The law and the prophets were until John:

since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭16:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“For the law was given by Moses,

but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭9:15-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament. but this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood. Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭7:11-12, 18-19, 22, 24-25‬ ‭KJV‬‬



we have a new word , it’s not the law of Moses it’s the gospel spoken by the lord
Your right we have a law it’s just not the Old Testament law before men receives Gods spirit , it’s the gospel where Jesus offers men the holy spirit

 

[Magenta]

Gal 5:1, So Christ has truly set us free. Now make sure that you stay free, and don’t get tied up again in slavery to the law.

It should be clear that, in Christ, we have come out from being under the law (Romans 6:14); we are dead to the law (Romans 7:4, Galatians 2:19); we have been delivered from the law (Romans 7:6).

We have been set free from the law, and therefore the law does not any longer point the finger at us and identify us as sinners.
I am a sinner saved by grace; however, I am not counted as a sinner by God because sin is not imputed where the law does not apply (Romans 5:13); where the law does not apply there is no transgression (Romans 4:15), and therefore no sin (1 John 3:4).

I am forgiven of every sin through faith in the blood of Christ.

I am set free from the condemnation of the law.

Paul's exhortation to me is that I not allow myself to be entangled again in a yoke of slavery to the law.

The reality is that I cannot sin because I am not under the law; because where the law does not apply, there is no transgression (Romans 4:15, 1 John 3:4).

The only way that I might be able to sin might be if I rebuilt the old system of law which I tore down.

This is a good thread.

Where is baptism? ..

 

[Grace911]

Gal 5:18, But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

In the context, "under the law" of the "lust of the flesh".

In other plain words, But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not led by the law of lust of the flesh.

Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

In the context, "under the law" of the death In other plain words, For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law of dead indeed to sin.

Rom 7:4, Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

In context, what law is Paul referring to? The law of divorce and remarriage!!

THERE IS NOT JUST ONE KIND OF LAW. IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS, THEN 9/10TH OF THE BIBLE IS ILLEGIBLE TO YOU.

9/10TH OF THE BIBLE IS ABOUT COVENANT MARRIAGE AND THE LAW OF DIVORCE AND REMARRIAGE TO THE LORD/YHWH.

SEE DEUTERONOMY 24:1-4 AND ROMANS 7:1-4 AND JEREMIAH 3 FOR THE FOUNDATION OF TRUTH.

Psa_119:142 Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth.

 

[heartwashed]

In the context, "under the law" of the "lust of the flesh".

In other plain words, But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not led by the law of lust of the flesh.

Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

In the context, "under the law" of the death In other plain words, For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law of dead indeed to sin.

Rom 7:4, Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

In context, what law is Paul referring to? The law of divorce and remarriage!!

THERE IS NOT JUST ONE KIND OF LAW. IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS, THEN 9/10TH OF THE BIBLE IS ILLEGIBLE TO YOU.

9/10TH OF THE BIBLE IS ABOUT COVENANT MARRIAGE AND THE LAW OF DIVORCE AND REMARRIAGE TO THE LORD/YHWH.

SEE DEUTERONOMY 24:1-4 AND ROMANS 7:1-4 AND JEREMIAH 3 FOR THE FOUNDATION OF TRUTH.

Psa_119:142 Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth.

The law of Moses is what is being spoken of when it says that when we are led of the Spirit, we are not under the law.

And also, the law of Galatians 5:19-21 does not condemn us if we are in Christ.

We may in fact reap corruption if we sow to the flesh...

However, according to Romans 6:14, Romans 7:4, Galatians 2:19, and Romans 7:6, we are not under the law, are dead to the law, and are delivered from the law, who are in Christ; therefore there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

Romans 8:1, in the latter part, also defines those who are in Christ Jesus as being those who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit.

 

[heartwashed]

Where is baptism? ..

Baptism is not the only doctrine in my Bible.

However, in the context of a thread on baptism, I am not going to depart from the subject matter.

In other threads, I will stick to the subject matter of those threads.

 

[Magenta]

Baptism is not the only doctrine in my Bible.

However, in the context of a thread on baptism, I am not going to depart from the subject matter.

In other threads, I will stick to the subject matter of those threads.

The subject matter here seems to be that adding anything to salvation aside from the requirement of faith is wrong.

That would include baptism. I think that's why it is not mentioned anywhere in your sermons.

Because then it would be too obviously an addition, yes?

Not that you will admit it.

 

[Magenta]

Why don't you read my thread, "Sermons on the law"...you may find your answer.

I have read enough to know you have not mentioned baptism here because it would obviously be an addition
to the requirement for salvation aside from grace through faith in the shed righteous blood of Jesus Christ.

 

[heartwashed]

I have read enough to know you have not mentioned baptism here because it would obviously be an addition
to the requirement for salvation aside from grace through faith in the shed righteous blood of Jesus Christ.

Since baptism is not a work, there is no contradiction in the baptism thread to anything that I have said here.

 

[Needevidence]

Mat 7:21, “Not everyone who calls out to me, ‘Lord! Lord!’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only those who actually do the will of my Father in heaven will enter.
Mat 7:22, On judgment day many will say to me, ‘Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.’
Mat 7:23, But I will reply, ‘I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break God’s laws.’

I consider that the will of the Father being spoken of here, in context, is the moral teaching that we find Jesus preaching in the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5-7). I consider that it is also to receive the forgiveness that is provided for us in Jesus dying on the Cross.

Jesus says to those who are condemned, "Get away from me, you who break God's laws."

Consider:

Rom 4:15, For the law always brings punishment on those who try to obey it. (The only way to avoid breaking the law is to have no law to break!)

Jesus condemns those who break God's laws; but the only way to avoid breaking the law is to have no law to break.

As believers in Christ and what He did for us on the Cross, we are not under the law (Romans 6:14), are dead to the law (Romans 7:4, Galatians 2:19) and are delivered from the law (Romans 7:6).

The law does not apply to us as concerning condemnation...therefore we have no law to break. We are forgiven of past, present, and future sins...and this means that God does not hold our sins against us when we commit them, any longer.

Therefore, the law does not point us out as sinners any longer. We cannot break God's laws because we are not under the law, are dead to the law, and are delivered from the law.


Its interesting Matt 7:21-23 - imply Jesus is saying you should keep the law - then you provide evidence that we do not need to keep the law. Clearly this is aimed at Christians - not Jews / Muslims - so we should keep the law?

On another point - Psalms 118 - Jews believe this has nothing to do with Jesus - how would you respond to;
5 In my anguish I cried to the LORD, and he answered by setting me free.
17 I will not die but live, and will proclaim what the LORD has done.
18 The LORD has chastened me severely, but he has not given me over to death.