Im single and an outcast because of my belives in my country

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Malle

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Im single and divorced, it was hard for me but in the end i belive it was gods way to test me. Im Swedish i live in a country that is built on christian faith and we have been christians for over 1000 years. Im pro life, against gay marriage in the church. Marriage whas created buy god between man and woman not man man or woman woman. And who has the right to take life when the sperm meet the egg the life start its what god gave us, the right to create life. So my belifes is so extreme in Sweden so im single and probably banned from the Swedish church
 
TabinRivCA

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Sounds like you're a decent guy, why do you think you might get banned from church there? Btw, I like your daughter's name Elvira, it was a country western hit here 'Elvira'😄 1965 and 2015.
 
Lynx

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Which church are you banned from? Is there only one?

Over here we got a blue million different churches.
 
Lanolin

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am wondering what happened why you divorced if you dont mind me asking, was your spouse gay or did she have an abortion...?

Single people arent banned from church as far as I know but then I dont live in Sweden...
 
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If you're banned from a church for having those beliefs, then what you're banned from is probably not actually a church. I'm glad you decided to stick with the Word, and walk in the truth.

Lately I have noticed it seems that there is a real problem with all these 'churches' with nationalist names... There is an inherent problem with nationalized churches that are mere instruments of the state: although I see the Swedish Church has officially separated from the State, there's no telling what goes on behind closed doors. It looks like there are some protestant alternatives there in Sweden, though.

You're definitely not the only one in your situation, I am certain of that... the "Biblical worldview" appears to have decreasing influence on culture and government, and education (definitely) around the world. That's unfortunate, but at the end of the day, it doesn't change who we are and what we are here to do.
 
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Lanolin said:
am wondering what happened why you divorced if you dont mind me asking, was your spouse gay or did she have an abortion...?

Single people arent banned from church as far as I know but then I dont live in Sweden...
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Im not banned in any way, but in the society, if i say what i think. In the liberal country of Sweden if you are pro life, against gay marriage you are different.
 
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Lanolin said:
am wondering what happened why you divorced if you dont mind me asking, was your spouse gay or did she have an abortion...?

Single people arent banned from church as far as I know but then I dont live in Sweden...
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We was so different so we couldnt live together, but we are friends still. I have two kids Elvira and Leon, my former wife had some mindproblems after Elvira was born. I had to take care of my daughter from day 1. Elvira was 3 months when my former wife got pregnent again. every one around us said you have to make an abortion, you have so many issues. I couldnt Seema my wife couldnt it was so wrong. How can anyone beside god decide over life and death? So it was a terrible in my mind and sole, how can anyone try to convince me to the worst decision ever. I didnt and she didnt so we kept him and his name is Leon Stefan Torkel Lundback. I love my son but in my mind sometimes i remember what could happened. God gave us the rigt to create life but we dont have the right to take life
 
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SomeDisciple said:
If you're banned from a church for having those beliefs, then what you're banned from is probably not actually a church. I'm glad you decided to stick with the Word, and walk in the truth.

Lately I have noticed it seems that there is a real problem with all these 'churches' with nationalist names... There is an inherent problem with nationalized churches that are mere instruments of the state: although I see the Swedish Church has officially separated from the State, there's no telling what goes on behind closed doors. It looks like there are some protestant alternatives there in Sweden, though.

You're definitely not the only one in your situation, I am certain of that... the "Biblical worldview" appears to have decreasing influence on culture and government, and education (definitely) around the world. That's unfortunate, but at the end of the day, it doesn't change who we are and what we are here to do.
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Im not banned from the Swedish church, it separated from the state 2001. If you read Swedish history about the Swedish empire. The power of the ruling king was so conected to the swedish church. So Swedish soldiers where outnumbered in battles but because there belives in King and God there where invincible, between 1600-1718. My beliefs is radical, because we have lost our way. But i praise our lord that our king Charles the XVI have to be a Lutheran christian, its writen in our constitution. So our future queen Viktoria have to be a christian a Lutheran
 
Lanolin

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mindproblems? Was she just exhausted or had post natal depression?
Being pregnant only 3 months after her first one might have not been easy but you kept going. I dont know if doctors anywhere have a right to say you just cant have children after you have conceived. Though i know that actually happens in China when they had that one -child policy. Also in Korea they have baby drop boxes so young mothers who abandon their babies cos they cant look after them dont die in the streets. You have to be mentally well to look after a baby, cos you cant look after one if you cant even look after yourself.

Were they going to try and abort your son? Thats terrible

I have heard of some doctors advising couples to abort because their child would have special needs. Couples decide to have them anyway, though special needs children require a lot more care every day from both parents, and nurses etc. And they may be dependent on you for the rest of their lives. Most parents arent willing to do that and will only care for a child for a few months until daycare can take over, or at the most 18 years until that child can be kicked out of the house. Though its known that young brains are still, growing until age 25.
 
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hmm ok I dont know much about Swedish history at all. Is it a consitutional monarchy like the UK is as they also have a King Charles III now who has to be a protestant and is 'head' of the Church of England.

They kicked the catholics out a long time a go with Henry VII who had eight wives. Im sure he would have been against abortion, and only had so many wives cos none of them could give him a son (and heir). Back then only firstborn sons could inherit, a girl actually counted for nothing.
 
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Lanolin said:
mindproblems? Was she just exhausted or had post natal depression?
Being pregnant only 3 months after her first one might have not been easy but you kept going. I dont know if doctors anywhere have a right to say you just cant have children after you have conceived. Though i know that actually happens in China when they had that one -child policy. Also in Korea they have baby drop boxes so young mothers who abandon their babies cos they cant look after them dont die in the streets. You have to be mentally well to look after a baby, cos you cant look after one if you cant even look after yourself.

Were they going to try and abort your son? Thats terrible

I have heard of some doctors advising couples to abort because their child would have special needs. Couples decide to have them anyway, though special needs children require a lot more care every day from both parents, and nurses etc. And they may be dependent on you for the rest of their lives. Most parents arent willing to do that and will only care for a child for a few months until daycare can take over, or at the most 18 years until that child can be kicked out of the house. Though its known that young brains are still, growing until age 25.
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It was natal depression, it wasnt doctors, but our relatives who tried to convince us. Im strong in my faith, and I took care of both my kids. She left us when Elvira was 2 and Leon 1. How can i judge her?
 
Lanolin

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aw has she got help for that
Will she get help and when shes better look after her children again or has she handed them over to another mother? I dont think anything wrong with fathers looking after their children but a lot of people try and place everything on the mother.

Relatives, what do they know? Just ignore what they say, they mean well but they dont know whats involved. Where those relatives prepared to adopt or offer childcare? If not, their opinion is just that, their opinion. It seems a lot of people think that their relatives arent their responsibility even thougn in most families we are obligated to look after each other (and not just immediate family members)
 
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Lanolin said:
aw has she got help for that
Will she get help and when shes better look after her children again or has she handed them over to another mother? I dont think anything wrong with fathers looking after their children but a lot of people try and place everything on the mother.

Relatives, what do they know? Just ignore what they say, they mean well but they dont know whats involved. Where those relatives prepared to adopt or offer childcare? If not, their opinion is just that, their opinion. It seems a lot of people think that their relatives arent their responsibility even thougn in most families we are obligated to look after each other (and not just immediate family members)
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She did and somehow got a other son, im not the father, but i love him the same that he was mine and he the young one love me back. My christian faith bring me love and tought me not to condemed
 
Lanolin

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she had three children?

Did she recover a lot of women fake that they get over pregnancy and labour but in reality it exhausts them they just dont want to admit it, or say no to their husbands who expect lots of children despite the toll it takes on a womans body.

Then the husband, unattracted to their wife now shes too busy with babies starts looking elsewhere.
 
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Malle said:
Im not banned in any way, but in the society, if i say what i think. In the liberal country of Sweden if you are pro life, against gay marriage you are different.
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Same here in America.........no big deal....... Scripture tells us that is what to expect. Revel in their reviling you, for it is fulfillment of Scripture. :)
 
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Lanolin said:
she had three children?

Did she recover a lot of women fake that they get over pregnancy and labour but in reality it exhausts them they just dont want to admit it, or say no to their husbands who expect lots of children despite the toll it takes on a womans body.

Then the husband, unattracted to their wife now shes too busy with babies starts looking elsewhere.
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Im the father of two of them and because i promised to our great lord and jesus i would take care of here third child
 
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Malle said:
Im single and divorced, it was hard for me but in the end i belive it was gods way to test me. Im Swedish i live in a country that is built on christian faith and we have been christians for over 1000 years. Im pro life, against gay marriage in the church. Marriage whas created buy god between man and woman not man man or woman woman. And who has the right to take life when the sperm meet the egg the life start its what god gave us, the right to create life. So my belifes is so extreme in Sweden so im single and probably banned from the Swedish church
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IT just means you love Jesus more then you love the world, your in the world ,but you are not of the world, your not alone, however. pray ask God to bring you to a church, ware he wants you, so you can learn and grow in your faith,
 
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Malle said:
Im the father of two of them and because i promised to our great lord and jesus i would take care of here third child
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what happened to the other father? sorry its not making much sense
 
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proutled said:
IT just means you love Jesus more then you love the world, your in the world ,but you are not of the world, your not alone, however. pray ask God to bring you to a church, ware he wants you, so you can learn and grow in your faith,
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Im true in my faith but I sometimes dont understand my on faith. My blind uncle Roland was my minister and guide but hi died 2017, he was the first blind preast in Sweden
 
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