Christ kept the Law of Moses, so....

[evyaniy]

Since Hebrew is read from right to left, would that make Psalm 119 appear as 911?

 

[Quartodeciman]

The Law plays a critical role in bringing people to embracing the Atonement of the Atonement of Jesus..

The Law convicts people of their transgressions against the will of God.. Without the Law people could say everything is OK and sin is just a personal opinion.. So it is essential for Christians to Keep the LAW.. When i sau Keep the Law i mean Keep.. The actual word Keep is to have something in ones possession.. The verses do not say DO the LAW without failure.. We Keep the Law so we can use it to reveal sin setting people up for Gods solution to the problem of our failure to do the Law without failure..

We exceed the rightiousness of the Pharisees and the scribes the Moment we believe Jesus and trust in the Atonement He secured on the cross.. Because our righteousness at that point becomes the Righteousness of The LORD Jesus.. We know our own righteousness are as filthy rags to God so we never rely on our own performance But in the LORDs...

Yes we should share the Moral Law with others in the process of leading them to the Gospel.. And if one loves the LORD then one will try to avoid breaking the Law.. Not as an attempt to secure ones own eternal place with God but simply out of moral conviction that the Law of God is Good and truth..

FINALLY. Eight pages into this thread and finally somebody expresses a truly biblical truth about the place of God's Law in the Christian's life. Awesome.

Christians generally like talking about God's Law about as much as they like talking about repentance.

 

[justpassinthrough]

FINALLY. Eight pages into this thread and finally somebody expresses a truly biblical truth about the place of God's Law in the Christian's life. Awesome.

Christians generally like talking about God's Law about as much as they like talking about repentance.

The law of Moses was abolished at the cross.


In the New Covenant, we are under the law of Christ, which is more strict and carry’s a more severe penalty than the law of Moses.


Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?
Hebrews 10:28-29



Always remember that grace is something and someone.

Truth is something and someone.

Wisdom is something and someone…







JLB

 

[Needevidence]

The law of Moses was abolished at the cross.


In the New Covenant, we are under the law of Christ, which is more strict and carry’s a more severe penalty than the law of Moses.


Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?
Hebrews 10:28-29



Always remember that grace is something and someone.

Truth is something and someone.

Wisdom is something and someone…







JLB

What is the law of christ (is it not just 'faith')?

 

[Evmur]

I've heard other sincere believers say that since Jesus kept the Laws of Moses we should keep them or at least try and somehow that is following Him. Is this what Jesus was talking about in these passages?



Mathew 5:17-20 Jesus said, Do not think that I came to destroy the law and the prophets. No , I have not come to destroy them , but to fulfil them... whoever breaks the least of these commandment , and teaches men so, he will be called the least in the kingdom....

Mathew 5 verse 20 For I(JESUS) say to you, unless your rightousness exceeds the rightousness of the scribes and the pharisees, you cannot enter the kingdom of heaven.

In verse 17, Jesus said we're teach and do the law of Moses to be great in the kingdom and in verse 20 Jesus said unless your rightousness exceeds the rightousness of the Law you'll in no case enter the kingdom of heaven.
Are we to do both, keep the Law of Moses like Jesus, and keep Jesus words in red . Would that be exceeding the scribes and pharisees rightousness?

Just a minute, the sermon on the mount was not Moses

Moses said an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth ... if you want you can get divorced ... love your friend but hate your enemies.

The law was never given to the Gentiles but to the Jews and they never kept it so God scrapped it. In place of the law He has given us His Holy Spirit to dwell in us.

 

[Needevidence]

Just a minute, the sermon on the mount was not Moses

Moses said an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth ... if you want you can get divorced ... love your friend but hate your enemies.

The law was never given to the Gentiles but to the Jews and they never kept it so God scrapped it. In place of the law He has given us His Holy Spirit to dwell in us.

Teh bible mentions the Pharisees not necessarily all jews did not keep it. Jesus never stated the law no longer is required

 

[justpassinthrough]

What is the law of christ (is it not just 'faith')?

Just as Moses was the mediator of that covenant, and the laws that governed that covenant was called the law of Moses, so also Jesus is the Mediator of the New Covenant, and therefore it’s called the law of Christ.



But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises. Hebrews 8:6


But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel. Hebrews 12:22-24


For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus.
1 Timothy 2:5



So it is no longer the law of Moses, who mediated that covenant, but Christ who is the Mediator of the new covenant administrates the law of Christ.


Bear one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.
Galatians 6:2


So when studying the New Testament precepts and principles we will come across phrases like, “His commandments“. His laws and commandments are about love; loving God and loving our neighbor.



For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 1 John 5:3


If you love Me, keep My commandments. John 14:15





JLB

 

[Quartodeciman]

He does not confess to any sin in Psalm 119. He declares His innocence and blamelessness and obedience throughout Psalm 119.

There are 2 mistranslations in verse 67 and verse 176 that people claim was an admission of going astray. those are total mistranslations and no admission of any guilt. in fact if you look at the verses preceding and following those verses He is proclaiming His obedience and blamelessness. In the last stanza He was dead following the cross so He had fully obeyed the law at that point by offering His life to save us.

Psalm 119 is the Son's prayer from the first stanza to the last entirely. anyone who thinks otherwise is mistaken by some poor translations. those have already been addressed multiple times in this thread and others but some will not study the Hebrew to confirm what was explained. Psalm 119 is the Son's prayer for life and to be raised.

I am always concerned when I hear Christians say that they are Bible believers and in the next moment insist that God has erred in His Word. A person cannot hope to find Truth beginning with the premise that God's Word has mistakes.

 

[Quartodeciman]

Just as Moses was the mediator of that covenant, and the laws that governed that covenant was called the law of Moses, so also Jesus is the Mediator of the New Covenant, and therefore it’s called the law of Christ.



But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises. Hebrews 8:6


But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel. Hebrews 12:22-24


For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus.
1 Timothy 2:5



So it is no longer the law of Moses, who mediated that covenant, but Christ who is the Mediator of the new covenant administrates the law of Christ.


Bear one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.
Galatians 6:2


So when studying the New Testament precepts and principles we will come across phrases like, “His commandments“. His laws and commandments are about love; loving God and loving our neighbor.



For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 1 John 5:3


If you love Me, keep My commandments. John 14:15





JLB

In order to bring clarity about "the law of Christ", as you see it, in your opinion under the law of Christ may a man dress as a woman?

 

[Quartodeciman]

well still not one in agreement. just more of the same. did the best to present it. the same person who belittled the posts 3 years ago before the pandemic is at it again. a skeleton for an avatar.

I am witness to the details of this whole discussion. Posthuman (the skeleton) has disagreed with you and your argument with valid evidence that anybody can check. I've checked it. You're painfully wrong. When the details were presented to you, you soughed over them as though the evidence presented was not real. I don't know if you're involved in a cult or not, BUT, I've had first hand experience in witnessing to people caught in cults, and, I'm sorry to say that you seem to be exhibiting the same traits. The psalmist admits to iniquity. Christ knew no sin. Ergo Christ is not the first person speaker in Psalm 119. There are no translation issues in the King James Psalm 119. What more do you need to hear?

 

[evyaniy]

I am always concerned when I hear Christians say that they are Bible believers and in the next moment insist that God has erred in His Word. A person cannot hope to find Truth beginning with the premise that God's Word has mistakes.

His Word is perfect in the original languages. Mistranslations are when the translators used words that do not agree with the original language. That is why there are like 50 different English translations and still growing.

The Blue Letter Bible site is very helpful in studying the original words and the translations. Once a translation error creeps into a translation it propagates through other translations since newer translations refer to previous translations as a basis for their translation. The 2 verses mentioned from Psalm 119 that have clearly mistranslated words are an example of that. The original language is perfect but the translators let their preconceived bias determine some of the words they chose which then propagated to other translations.

Please read the other posts concerning Psalm 119 verse 176 that explain that abad/avad H6 was clearly mistranslated. Verse 176 is one of the strongest proofs that Psalm 119 is the Son praying when He refers to Himself as a "slain Lamb", if abad/avad H6 was translated correctly. Perhaps some Hebrew scholar could confirm that.

Thank you for your post and reading the previous posts.

 

[evyaniy]

I am witness to the details of this whole discussion. Posthuman (the skeleton) has disagreed with you and your argument with valid evidence that anybody can check. I've checked it. You're painfully wrong. When the details were presented to you, you soughed over them as though the evidence presented was not real. I don't know if you're involved in a cult or not, BUT, I've had first hand experience in witnessing to people caught in cults, and, I'm sorry to say that you seem to be exhibiting the same traits. The psalmist admits to iniquity. Christ knew no sin. Ergo Christ is not the first person speaker in Psalm 119. There are no translation issues in the King James Psalm 119. What more do you need to hear?

what, did you join just to say this? Thank you for the interest and bumping these old posts to the top. Psalm 119 is the Son's prayer for life and to be raised from the dead because of His obedience to the law in giving His life to save us. Nothing has changed and no one has disproved that. It is a fact and not a supposition, whether anyone accepts it or not.

 

[Quartodeciman]

The law of Moses was abolished at the cross.

We are to obey Christ and His commandments that are written on our heart.


So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.
Colossians 1:16-17

If you don't mind, I would like to test your hermeneutic. Under Christs law, written on our hearts, is it permissible for a man to dress as a woman?

 

[Quartodeciman]

His Word is perfect in the original languages. Mistranslations are when the translators used words that do not agree with the original language. That is why there are like 50 different English translations and still growing.

The Blue Letter Bible site is very helpful in studying the original words and the translations. Once a translation error creeps into a translation it propagates through other translations since newer translations refer to previous translations as a basis for their translation. The 2 verses mentioned from Psalm 119 that have clearly mistranslated words are an example of that. The original language is perfect but the translators let their preconceived bias determine some of the words they chose which then propagated to other translations.

Please read the other posts concerning Psalm 119 verse 176 that explain that abad/avad H6 was clearly mistranslated. Verse 176 is one of the strongest proofs that Psalm 119 is the Son praying when He refers to Himself as a "slain Lamb", if abad/avad H6 was translated correctly. Perhaps some Hebrew scholar could confirm that.

Thank you for your post and reading the previous posts.

I can see that you are quite earnest in your belief. So, if I may continue this point in earnest, because I believe it is at the heart of the matter at hand. To which manuscript do you turn in order to refer to the 'original language' error-free wording? If you do indeed have the original wording then the strength of your argument becomes so much greater.

 

[Quartodeciman]

what, did you join just to say this? Thank you for the interest and bumping these old posts to the top. Psalm 119 is the Son's prayer for life and to be raised from the dead because of His obedience to the law in giving His life to save us. Nothing has changed and no one has disproved that. It is a fact and not a supposition, whether anyone accepts it or not.

Actually, I've witnessed your argument being disproven over and over again. The Psalmist admits to having iniquity, as many have pointed out repeatedly.

 

[evyaniy]

The Blue Letter Bible site has the original Hebrew and Greek from the various manuscripts. It uses Strongs and Lexicons and so much more. Almost everything is clickable to zoom in further. When you click on a Hebrew word number it brings up many things about the word as well as all the verses it occurs in. They are always updating it with new and improved information as it becomes available.

 

[evyaniy]

as said early on in this thread. if you disagree then please ignore. this is not about having an argument or debate. it is about a responsibility to share what was received. everyone can make up their own mind and that is fine.

 

[evyaniy]

The Son never admits to any wrongdoing all through Psalm 119. That was presented at length early in this thread as well as other lengthy threads dealing with the subject. The 2 instances people use to accuse Him have been explained and disproven. He declares His blamelessness throughout Psalm 119 and even takes an oath to be obedient in verse 106. It is the Son's prayer. He claims His innocence throughout.

 

[Quartodeciman]

what, did you join just to say this? Thank you for the interest and bumping these old posts to the top. Psalm 119 is the Son's prayer for life and to be raised from the dead because of His obedience to the law in giving His life to save us. Nothing has changed and no one has disproved that. It is a fact and not a supposition, whether anyone accepts it or not.

Actually, I've witnessed your argument being disproven over and over again. The Psalmist admits to having iniquity, as many have pointed out repeatedly.

Yes, and, In His Simplicity, He Has Just ONE Command For His Body:

Christ Living In us, To Fulfil All Of His Law, In "One Word: Love
thy neighbor as thyself!" (Galatians 5:14; Romans 13:8-10)

Precious friend:

Grace, Peace, And JOY In Christ, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided (+ I and II)!

The problem with the SIMPLICITY approach is in defining the word "love". There are now "Christian churches" who espouse the teaching that if a man 'loves' a man they ought to be allowed to marry. But what say you?

 

[Quartodeciman]

The Son never admits to any wrongdoing all through Psalm 119. That was presented at length early in this thread as well as other lengthy threads dealing with the subject. The 2 instances people use to accuse Him have been explained and disproven. He declares His blamelessness throughout Psalm 119 and even takes an oath to be obedient in verse 106. It is the Son's prayer. He claims His innocence throughout.

You don't seem to be capable of listening to others, nor of responding rationally. For example, you've been asked half a dozen times to use the "REPLY" button to reply to posts so that others know to whom you are responding. It's basic etiquette and basic decency in a discussion forum. But you continue to do your own thing in spite of the admonitions.

Likewise, when others have posted evidence from Hebrew scholars that the english translation of the Hebrew is sound you haven't countered that evidence in your rebuttal. You've just repeated your belief like some kind of mantra. Perhaps you have some secret reason for holding to your belief but if you're not willing to show your reasoning how can you expect others to see you as reasonable?

If the strength of your argument lies in textual criticism may I suggest you apply yourself to the critical argument? But I can assure you that many expert text critics have given themselves to this task already and some of their books are on the bookshelves of the people examining this subject. There is no good textual argument to support your assertion that the English bible (KJV) is wrong here in Psalm 119.