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Perhaps man's original understanding of Sabbath is misunderstood.
Malachi 3:6 For I am Yehovah, I change not. Because of this you sons of Jacob are not destroyed.
Hebrew 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday and today and forever.
First occurrence : Gen_49:18 I have waited for thy salvation,H3444 (Yeshua) O LORD .H3068 (YHWH)
H3444 - Yeshua (whom we call Jesus in English) & H3068 - YHWH (Yehovah also seen in all caps as LORD to avoid saying His Name)
Exodus 15:2 The LORD is my strength and song, and he is become my salvation: he is my God, and I will prepare him an habitation; my father's God, and I will exalt him.
Psalms 118:14 The LORD is my strength and song, and is become my salvation.
Psalms 118:21 I will praise thee: for thou hast heard me, and art become my salvation.
Isaiah 12:2 Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.
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Because on Friday the tomb had guards stationed to keep His body from being stolen. Then women, I assume cannot get past the guards.
Matthew 27:62 And on the next day, which was after the Preparation, the chief priests and the Pharisees gathered to Pilate,
63 saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while He was living, After three days I will rise again.
64 Then command that the tomb be made secure until the third day, lest his disciples come by night and steal him away and say to the people, He has risen from the dead. So the last error will be worse than the first.
65 Pilate said to them, You have a watch. Go and make it as secure as you can.
66 And going they made the tomb secure, sealing the stone along with the guard.
Matthew 27:62 And on the next day, which was after the Preparation, the chief priests and the Pharisees gathered to Pilate,
63 saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while He was living, After three days I will rise again.
64 Then command that the tomb be made secure until the third day, lest his disciples come by night and steal him away and say to the people, He has risen from the dead. So the last error will be worse than the first.
65 Pilate said to them, You have a watch. Go and make it as secure as you can.
66 And going they made the tomb secure, sealing the stone along with the guard.
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And how would you know that?
Matthew 27:60 And laid it in his own new tomb, which he had hewn out in the rock: and he rolled a great stone to the door of the sepulchre, and departed.
Matthew 28:1 But late in the week, at the dawning into the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb.
2 And behold, a great earthquake occurred! For coming down from Heaven, and coming up, an angel of the Lord rolled back the stone from the door and was sitting on it.
3 His countenance was like lightning, and his clothing white as snow.
4 And the keepers shook for fear of him and became like dead men.
5 And the angel answered and said to the women, Do not fear, for I know that you seek Jesus who was crucified.
6 He is not here, for He has risen, as He said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.
7 And go quickly and tell His disciples that He has risen from the dead. And, behold, He goes before you into Galilee. There you shall see Him. Lo, I have told you.
8 And they quickly departed from the tomb with fear and great joy, and ran to bring His disciples word.
9 But as they were going to report to His disciples, behold, Jesus also met them, saying, Hail! And they came and held Him by the feet and worshiped Him.
10 Then Jesus said to them, Do not be afraid; go tell My brothers that they should go into Galilee, and there they will see Me.
Mark 15:46 And he bought fine linen, and took him down, and wrapped him in the linen, and laid him in a sepulchre which was hewn out of a rock, and rolled a stone unto the door of the sepulchre.
Mark 16:4 And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great.
Luke 24:2 And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre.
Matthew 27:60 And laid it in his own new tomb, which he had hewn out in the rock: and he rolled a great stone to the door of the sepulchre, and departed.
Matthew 28:1 But late in the week, at the dawning into the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb.
2 And behold, a great earthquake occurred! For coming down from Heaven, and coming up, an angel of the Lord rolled back the stone from the door and was sitting on it.
3 His countenance was like lightning, and his clothing white as snow.
4 And the keepers shook for fear of him and became like dead men.
5 And the angel answered and said to the women, Do not fear, for I know that you seek Jesus who was crucified.
6 He is not here, for He has risen, as He said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.
7 And go quickly and tell His disciples that He has risen from the dead. And, behold, He goes before you into Galilee. There you shall see Him. Lo, I have told you.
8 And they quickly departed from the tomb with fear and great joy, and ran to bring His disciples word.
9 But as they were going to report to His disciples, behold, Jesus also met them, saying, Hail! And they came and held Him by the feet and worshiped Him.
10 Then Jesus said to them, Do not be afraid; go tell My brothers that they should go into Galilee, and there they will see Me.
Mark 15:46 And he bought fine linen, and took him down, and wrapped him in the linen, and laid him in a sepulchre which was hewn out of a rock, and rolled a stone unto the door of the sepulchre.
Mark 16:4 And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great.
Luke 24:2 And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre.
Matthew 28:4 And the keepers shook for fear of him and became like dead men.
The Report of the Guard
Mat 28:11 And as they were going, behold, some of the guard came into the city and declared all the things that were done to the chief priests.
Mat 28:12 And being assembled with the elders, and taking counsel, they gave enough silver to the soldiers,
Mat 28:13 saying, Say that His disciples came by night and stole Him away while we slept.
Mat 28:14 And if this comes to the governor's ears, we will persuade him and make you free from care.
Mat 28:15 And taking the silver, they did as they were taught. And this saying was spread among the Jews until today.
The Report of the Guard
Mat 28:11 And as they were going, behold, some of the guard came into the city and declared all the things that were done to the chief priests.
Mat 28:12 And being assembled with the elders, and taking counsel, they gave enough silver to the soldiers,
Mat 28:13 saying, Say that His disciples came by night and stole Him away while we slept.
Mat 28:14 And if this comes to the governor's ears, we will persuade him and make you free from care.
Mat 28:15 And taking the silver, they did as they were taught. And this saying was spread among the Jews until today.
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Wednesday night, Thursday day
Thursday night, Friday day
Friday night, Saturday day
I see your point. Why where the soldiers there on Sunday morning? The tomb had been shut, and they didn't see inside until the earthquake which happened
Matthew 28:1 But late in the week, at the dawning into the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb.
2 And behold, a great earthquake occurred! For coming down from Heaven, and coming up, an angel of the Lord rolled back the stone from the door and was sitting on it.
4 And the keepers shook for fear of him and became like dead men. (They fainted at the sight of the angel and the rolled back stone.)
Perhaps the soldiers were there Sunday morning before dawn because their shift wasn't over. IDK. What do you think?
Thursday night, Friday day
Friday night, Saturday day
I see your point. Why where the soldiers there on Sunday morning? The tomb had been shut, and they didn't see inside until the earthquake which happened
Matthew 28:1 But late in the week, at the dawning into the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb.
2 And behold, a great earthquake occurred! For coming down from Heaven, and coming up, an angel of the Lord rolled back the stone from the door and was sitting on it.
4 And the keepers shook for fear of him and became like dead men. (They fainted at the sight of the angel and the rolled back stone.)
Perhaps the soldiers were there Sunday morning before dawn because their shift wasn't over. IDK. What do you think?
Mat 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
When is the end of the sabbath? It is at sundown on Saturday, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week.
When does the first day of the week begin. After sundown on Saturday day.
When was the earthquake? Sunday morning? Did the earthquake help the angel roll back the stone?
There is another interpretation which I haven't come to terms with. The Jews keep Nisan 16 as the first day of the counting to 50, which always make Shavuot fall on Sivan 6 and not always on a Sunday.
When is the end of the sabbath? It is at sundown on Saturday, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week.
When does the first day of the week begin. After sundown on Saturday day.
When was the earthquake? Sunday morning? Did the earthquake help the angel roll back the stone?
There is another interpretation which I haven't come to terms with. The Jews keep Nisan 16 as the first day of the counting to 50, which always make Shavuot fall on Sivan 6 and not always on a Sunday.
Luke 23:44 And it was about the sixth hour, and there was a darkness over all the earth until the ninth hour.
45 And the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was rent in the midst.
46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.
The sixth hour of the day would be high noon. The 9th hour would be 3 p.m. The sun was darkened during those 3 hours. Look again at the date of April 25, 31 AD and the solar eclipse that occurred on that day.
45 And the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was rent in the midst.
46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.
The sixth hour of the day would be high noon. The 9th hour would be 3 p.m. The sun was darkened during those 3 hours. Look again at the date of April 25, 31 AD and the solar eclipse that occurred on that day.
"the matter may be far more subtle than we might think at first glance. "
https://christianchat.com/threads/good-friday-reflections.210413/post-5054808
"The traditional view of the Resurrection goes like this: It occurred sometime early Sunday, sometime after mid-night. It was followed shortly thereafter by an early morning visit to the tomb by at least the three women previously mentioned. The tomb was subsequently visited by Peter, and possibly John. Generally, Mark, Luke, and John concur with the timing of these events, although none say exactly when the Resurrection took place. John does suggest that the visit to the tomb by the women may have been before the light of day, i.e., while it was yet dark.
Matthew, however, in his writings to the dispersed Jewish Christians, carefully constructs the events of the women who came to anoint the body of Jesus. He begins Chapter 28 (ESV) of his Gospel “. . . Now after the Sabbath, toward the dawn on the first day of the week . . .” The phrase, “toward the dawn of the first day of the week” might rightly have been understood by Jews to mean the time just after sunset at the end of the last Sabbath and at the beginning of the first day of the week. “Dawn,” as well as meaning the point in a day when the light of a new day is first perceived, can also mean the beginning of any point in time, place or event that initiates something new, i.e., the dawning of a new day or era.
The Englishman’s Greek New testament for Matthew 28:1 actually states, “Now late on Sabbaths as it was getting dusk toward [the] first [day] of [the] week.” Here we see evidence of the two Sabbaths. This is based on the Greek text of Stephens, 1550.
John N. Darby, a Hebrew and Greek scholar, in his New Testament, The Holy Bible (1920), translates Matthew 28:1 as follows: “Now late on Sabbath(s), as it was the dusk of the next day after sabbath(s), came Mary of Magdala and the other Mary to look at the sepulchre.”
The Berean Literal Translation renders this verse as: “And after the Sabbaths, it being dawn toward the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb.” Two Sabbaths are again specified.
One possibility is that Mary Magdalene and the others were so eager to approach the tomb that even before the last Sabbath was over they went to the tomb, after sunset on Saturday night. After their visit to the empty tomb and their encounter with the angel, they quickly returned to tell Peter and the other disciples what they had experienced. They returned a second time, early in the morning of the first day of the week, as recorded in scripture.
Based on the Greek text, John Gill’s Bible Commentary, Exposition of Matthew 28:1 (1991) speaks very extensively of this possibility."
https://christianchat.com/threads/good-friday-reflections.210413/post-5054808
"The traditional view of the Resurrection goes like this: It occurred sometime early Sunday, sometime after mid-night. It was followed shortly thereafter by an early morning visit to the tomb by at least the three women previously mentioned. The tomb was subsequently visited by Peter, and possibly John. Generally, Mark, Luke, and John concur with the timing of these events, although none say exactly when the Resurrection took place. John does suggest that the visit to the tomb by the women may have been before the light of day, i.e., while it was yet dark.
Matthew, however, in his writings to the dispersed Jewish Christians, carefully constructs the events of the women who came to anoint the body of Jesus. He begins Chapter 28 (ESV) of his Gospel “. . . Now after the Sabbath, toward the dawn on the first day of the week . . .” The phrase, “toward the dawn of the first day of the week” might rightly have been understood by Jews to mean the time just after sunset at the end of the last Sabbath and at the beginning of the first day of the week. “Dawn,” as well as meaning the point in a day when the light of a new day is first perceived, can also mean the beginning of any point in time, place or event that initiates something new, i.e., the dawning of a new day or era.
The Englishman’s Greek New testament for Matthew 28:1 actually states, “Now late on Sabbaths as it was getting dusk toward [the] first [day] of [the] week.” Here we see evidence of the two Sabbaths. This is based on the Greek text of Stephens, 1550.
John N. Darby, a Hebrew and Greek scholar, in his New Testament, The Holy Bible (1920), translates Matthew 28:1 as follows: “Now late on Sabbath(s), as it was the dusk of the next day after sabbath(s), came Mary of Magdala and the other Mary to look at the sepulchre.”
The Berean Literal Translation renders this verse as: “And after the Sabbaths, it being dawn toward the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb.” Two Sabbaths are again specified.
One possibility is that Mary Magdalene and the others were so eager to approach the tomb that even before the last Sabbath was over they went to the tomb, after sunset on Saturday night. After their visit to the empty tomb and their encounter with the angel, they quickly returned to tell Peter and the other disciples what they had experienced. They returned a second time, early in the morning of the first day of the week, as recorded in scripture.
Based on the Greek text, John Gill’s Bible Commentary, Exposition of Matthew 28:1 (1991) speaks very extensively of this possibility."
BTW.....vacillating about whether there are a full three days and three nights between the death of Jesus and His resurrection has, for me, FINALLY been FULLY once and for all RECONCILED. My gratitude to Pastor Chronister and his stupendous insights.
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Mat 12:40
For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
There are, without doubt, a full three days and three nights. It's called the "Passover pattern".
A pattern which repeats all thru the Bible. Including of course the account of Jonah, who was RESURRECTED after three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish.
Moses recorded the fact that Israel crossed the Red Sea and physically left the land of Egypt on the 17th of Nisan in Numbers 33:1-8: These are the journeys of the children of Israel, which went forth out of the land of Egypt with their armies under the hand of Moses and Aaron.2 And Moses wrote their goings out according to their journeys by the commandment of the LORD: and these are their journeys according to their goings out. 3 And they departed from Rameses in the first month, on the fifteenth day of the first month; (Nisan) on the morrow after the Passover (still the 15th) the children of Israel went out with an high hand in the sight of all the Egyptians. (Remember, Israel’s days start at sunset) 4 For the Egyptians buried all their firstborn, which the LORD had smitten among them: upon their gods also the LORD executed judgments.5 And the children of Israel removed from Rameses, and pitched in Succoth. (Evening of the 15th) 6 And they departed from Succoth, and pitched in Etham, which is in the edge of the wilderness. (Evening of 16th) 7 And they removed from Etham, and turned again unto Pi-hahiroth, which is before Baal-zephon: and they pitched before Migdol. (Evening of the 17th) 8 And they departed (morning of the 17th) from before Pi-hahiroth, and passed through the midst of the sea into the wilderness, and went three days’ journey in the wilderness of Etham, and pitched in Marah.”
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Mat 12:40
For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
There are, without doubt, a full three days and three nights. It's called the "Passover pattern".
A pattern which repeats all thru the Bible. Including of course the account of Jonah, who was RESURRECTED after three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish.
Moses recorded the fact that Israel crossed the Red Sea and physically left the land of Egypt on the 17th of Nisan in Numbers 33:1-8: These are the journeys of the children of Israel, which went forth out of the land of Egypt with their armies under the hand of Moses and Aaron.2 And Moses wrote their goings out according to their journeys by the commandment of the LORD: and these are their journeys according to their goings out. 3 And they departed from Rameses in the first month, on the fifteenth day of the first month; (Nisan) on the morrow after the Passover (still the 15th) the children of Israel went out with an high hand in the sight of all the Egyptians. (Remember, Israel’s days start at sunset) 4 For the Egyptians buried all their firstborn, which the LORD had smitten among them: upon their gods also the LORD executed judgments.5 And the children of Israel removed from Rameses, and pitched in Succoth. (Evening of the 15th) 6 And they departed from Succoth, and pitched in Etham, which is in the edge of the wilderness. (Evening of 16th) 7 And they removed from Etham, and turned again unto Pi-hahiroth, which is before Baal-zephon: and they pitched before Migdol. (Evening of the 17th) 8 And they departed (morning of the 17th) from before Pi-hahiroth, and passed through the midst of the sea into the wilderness, and went three days’ journey in the wilderness of Etham, and pitched in Marah.”
Thank you for taking the time to respond. Much appreciated. If you wouldn't mind, could you please withhold from posting loaded questions. I'm your Brother in Christ and I mean you no harm.
Your quotes from Galatians 5 and from 1st Corinthians 6 shed no light on the matter of a man dressing as a woman. I see that you've highlighted particular words as though those words help your case some how. They don't. The NT does not contain a prohibition against men who dress up as women.
Now, those of us with the Spirit of Christ easily discern the moral nature of such behavior and it is by no meaningless coincidence that this discernment matches perfectly God's commandment given in the Law (Deu 22:5). Surely we must see this as evidence of God's Laws being written on our hearts. For those of us that recognize that God's Law has not been destroyed (Mat 5:17-20) we can take comfort in the fact that we DO have a benchbook in plain English which is a final authority on a host of things, especially morality. The 'new law' Christian lacks a codified, written, printed authority on such things.
There are some "churches" out there that are more dead than a door nail who suppose that they're hearing from the Spirit of God when they condone sex perversion. The benefit of being able to still point to an inerrant Bible as God's Word and as your authority is that you can cut through the BS of exactly who is hearing from God and who is not. The Spirit and the Word agree and are one (1st Joh 5:7).
Your quotes from Galatians 5 and from 1st Corinthians 6 shed no light on the matter of a man dressing as a woman. I see that you've highlighted particular words as though those words help your case some how. They don't. The NT does not contain a prohibition against men who dress up as women.
Now, those of us with the Spirit of Christ easily discern the moral nature of such behavior and it is by no meaningless coincidence that this discernment matches perfectly God's commandment given in the Law (Deu 22:5). Surely we must see this as evidence of God's Laws being written on our hearts. For those of us that recognize that God's Law has not been destroyed (Mat 5:17-20) we can take comfort in the fact that we DO have a benchbook in plain English which is a final authority on a host of things, especially morality. The 'new law' Christian lacks a codified, written, printed authority on such things.
There are some "churches" out there that are more dead than a door nail who suppose that they're hearing from the Spirit of God when they condone sex perversion. The benefit of being able to still point to an inerrant Bible as God's Word and as your authority is that you can cut through the BS of exactly who is hearing from God and who is not. The Spirit and the Word agree and are one (1st Joh 5:7).