The Israelis set for new Jewish temple on Al-Aqsa site

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Jimbone

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The_Watchers_2017 said:
Do you think Paul would mention the Throne in the Temple of God if this was metaphorical in a Spiritual Sense?
He is concrete clear on everything else.
Why now is he confusing?
Because, he destroys your personal idealism's?
The Doctrine of Convenience, Pre-Mill, and we are witnessing those who follow, DANCE, like dogs, today!
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When Paul mentioned it, the tribulation was still to come. It fit's perfectly in my view and you believe in something so disconnected from scripture and truth that the only way to maintain that view is the cult mentality you show here. Your answer assumes you are correct. The temple Paul was talking about was the temple that was standing when he wrote it. Why can you not see how much you have to add to His word to make it fit. Are you assuming that the 2nd temple was not there when Paul wrote this? Please try to continue this without the childish insults. If your view is so solid and obviously true then you should be able to show me my mistake here in front of everyone in a civil way right?
So why do you think Paul wasn't writing about the temple that was standing when he wrote it?
 
The_Watchers_2017

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Jimbone said:
So why do you think Paul wasn't writing about the temple that was standing when he wrote it?
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Paul, knew that would be demolished, like the other Apostles, first Verses of Matthew 24 and the key word [Judeans].
So, they know, the Holy Spirit, is talking about the Future.
 
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Locoponydirtman said:
Of God being the operative problem. When the temple of God is the church
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But this prophecy is Visible for the Jews to see and this is part of why they finally call upon Jesus, as Their Messiah.

So, it means, Physical Temple.

You can keep changing the goalposts but God keeps scoring on Your False Doctrines each time the Truth is brought forth.
 
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The_Watchers_2017 said:
But this prophecy is Visible for the Jews to see and this is part of why they finally call upon Jesus, as Their Messiah.

So, it means, Physical Temple.

You can keep changing the goalposts but God keeps scoring on Your False Doctrines each time the Truth is brought forth.
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Im not moving any goal posts. Im asking questions. Sorry i cause you such great consternation to answer questions.
 
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Locoponydirtman said:
Im not moving any goal posts. Im asking questions. Sorry i cause you such great consternation to answer questions.
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Not at all, I push because I don't know where people are coming from when it's in the middle of a conversation. I apologize, but your post, did allow me to plant that last post for those who do follow Pre-Mill.
 
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JohnB said:
The bible is very clear, this temple will be built. Christians should be looking forward to it.
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a they should look to the body of Christ resurrected to see the new temple he raised up forever after it was broken

“Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? But he spake of the temple of his body.”
‭‭John‬ ‭2:19-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬



“And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:22‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭3:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The temple was so God could fellowship with one man among many who would enter in once per year that’s not necassary now his spirit is in his temple already it’s being built every day being expanded

“in whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: in whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭2:21-22‬ ‭KJV‬‬

awe are the temple now Gods spirit doesn’t need to go into a sacred temple he needs clean hearts to dwell in and commune with us now the old ways are done the temple of God is the body of Christ and the body of Christs temple is God

“At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.”
‭‭John‬ ‭14:20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the temple was a mosaic pattern of the body of Christ hes where we can meet God now this part is finished

“Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. ( that part ended in 70 ad now we can worship God any and very where because we are the temple where his spirit meets man )

( this part has come )But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”
‭‭John‬ ‭4:21, 23-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 
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I'm not concerned if they build it or don't build it. Whatever will be will be.
 
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Likud Knesset member Amit Halevi is promoting a plan to divide the Temple Mount between Jews and Muslims.

Under the plan, Muslims will receive the southern Al Aqsa Mosque and its annexes and the Jews will receive the central and northern area, including the Dome of the Rock, the place on which it is believed that the Holy of Holies stood in the Temple.

Likud MK Amit Halevi Proposes Plan to Divide Jerusalem’s Temple Mount | The Jewish Press - JewishPress.com | Hana Levi Julian | 19 Sivan 5783 – June 7, 2023 | JewishPress.com
 
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What did Jesus mean when He said, “this generation will not pass”?

https://www.gotquestions.org/this-generation-not-pass.html
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To put it simply they are wrong.
The entire passage is a unit, Jesus never delineates the passage into soon and in 2000 and some years.
It simply is not there.
Futurism >>> mass formation psychosis keep repeating it over and over and eventually most everyone thinks it is true.
 
Jimbone

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The_Watchers_2017 said:
Paul, knew that would be demolished, like the other Apostles, first Verses of Matthew 24 and the key word [Judeans].
So, they know, the Holy Spirit, is talking about the Future.
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I'm sorry but this is an unsatisfactory answer. See how you have to add "what Paul knew" in order for it to mean what you're saying it means? I'm not trying to be ugly here or misrepresent you at all, but the text says nothing about a 3rd temple. Nothing I've read, and to be fair I am more than willing to be corrected, but you would have to show a 3rd temple in His word. I want to learn, I want to grow, and I mean no disrespect at all towards you or anyone that believes as you do. I'm just seeking the truth here and I feel this view is not only sorely lacking in scriptural backing, I believe it neuters the gospel of the Kingdom.

Now that you mention Mat 24, and considering your view, I feel you are completely disconnecting context from the equation, you kind of have to in order to add the 2000+ years into these words. These men are standing there asking Jesus when ALL these things will happen and Jesus looks them in the eyes and says "Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away. "

Also to be VERY clear they were talking about the end of the AGE not the end of the physical world. So now we look in retrospect knowing roughly how history played out and see that within 40 years (a generation) the end of that age, the Mosaic age, it was completed by the sacking of Jerusalem and the covenant breakers falling under judgement. All these things worked out EXACTLY as Jesus said they would.

I understand why you believe what you believe, that's what I was taught when I first came to church and after I was truly reborn years later. I've listened to the arguments and case made, I've looked at the explanations, charts, and timelines we are given to make these things fit, but I just cannot ignore how far from the text you have to go in order to stuff this square peg through a round hole. Why is it so hard for some to see the shear volume of baggage you have to bring to the text in order to make it resemble what we are taught it means. My biggest point I want to make in this exchange with you here is this. You can not honestly exegete the pre-trib viewpoint from scripture at all. You have to use isogeneic methods to get it to that conclusion at all.

I imagine this will be the end of our conversation, you don't seem to be putting any kind of deeper thought or effort at all into the conversation. Your answers are very poorly thought out and surface level at best, not very engaging. However if you do start thinking and taking the conversation more serious I will respond in kind. You seem to have bought into what you were told rather than actually thinking out your position deeply and I pray you use this as a jumping off point to dive in deeper and at least formulate a better case for your beliefs than you've shown here, but to always seek to move closer to truth rather than just protecting your pride with arrogance and insults.
 
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HeIsHere said:
To put it simply they are wrong.
The entire passage is a unit, Jesus never delineates the passage into soon and in 2000 and some years.
It simply is not there.
Futurism >>> mass formation psychosis keep repeating it over and over and eventually most everyone thinks it is true.
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This generation could mean--all these scriptures!
 
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Omegatime said:
This generation could mean--all these scriptures!
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I think you can read @Jimbone posts, if you are willing to have your thinking challenged, I myself have found there is not much point to engage and mostly people are so emotionally invested in futurism they just get angry.

I am, however, very sure Christ Jesus meant what He said. Present day Israel is not the fulfillment of prophecy in the Bible.

Prayers.
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