Do Satan and his angels still have access to heaven?

[LeeLoving]

Do Satan and his angels have access to heaven still? In Revelation 12 it looks like they might have already fought Michael the archangel, "neither was their place found any more in heaven" but it says in Ephesians 6:12, "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

It says in 1 Peter 5:8 that the devil walketh about seeking whom he may devour, and in Revelation 12:10 it says, "And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night." This may be describing something that already happened.

So if Satan and his angels already lost to Michael the archangel and his angels what are the "high places" in Ephesians 6:12? If I'm correct, not heaven, since it says in Revelation 12 "neither was their place found any more in heaven". Unless they can still access heaven while not having any "place" there. I don't know if that makes sense though. The ESV uses the words "heavenly places" instead of "high places" in Ephesians 6:12. It can't be both though, if by "neither was their place found any more in heaven" it means Satan and his angels no longer have access to heaven, then the high places in Ephesians 6:12 cannot be heaven (if Michael and his angels have already defeated Satan and his angels).

The way I see it there might be an issue posed by the ESV's usage of "heavenly places" if it is saying that our battle is against spiritual wickedness in heaven, since Revelation 12 might be saying that Satan and his angels no longer have access to heaven "neither was their place found any more in heaven".

Just curious as to people's thoughts on this.

 

[Mem]

Do Satan and his angels have access to heaven still? In Revelation 12 it looks like they might have already fought Michael the archangel, "neither was their place found any more in heaven" but it says in Ephesians 6:12, "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

It says in 1 Peter 5:8 that the devil walketh about seeking whom he may devour, and in Revelation 12:10 it says, "And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night." This may be describing something that already happened.

So if Satan and his angels already lost to Michael the archangel and his angels what are the "high places" in Ephesians 6:12? If I'm correct, not heaven, since it says in Revelation 12 "neither was their place found any more in heaven". Unless they can still access heaven while not having any "place" there. I don't know if that makes sense though. The ESV uses the words "heavenly places" instead of "high places" in Ephesians 6:12. It can't be both though, if by "neither was their place found any more in heaven" it means Satan and his angels no longer have access to heaven, then the high places in Ephesians 6:12 cannot be heaven (if Michael and his angels have already defeated Satan and his angels).

The way I see it there might be an issue posed by the ESV's usage of "heavenly places" if it is saying that our battle is against spiritual wickedness in heaven, since Revelation 12 might be saying that Satan and his angels no longer have access to heaven "neither was their place found any more in heaven".

Just curious as to people's thoughts on this.

The high places is used in reference to the spiritual realm, wherein the "lower parts" are of an earthly, or natural, operation. Anyone can be "brought before God" at any given time, as all that would take is His attention directed at you. There's no hiding from Him.

 

[Cameron143]

The high places is used in reference to the spiritual realm, wherein the "lower parts" are of an earthly, or natural, operation. Anyone can be "brought before God" at any given time, as all that would take is His attention directed at you. There's no hiding from Him.

It just dawned on me that Adam and Eve were the first to play Hide & Seek.

 

[Mem]

It just dawned on me that Adam and Eve were the first to play Hide & Seek.

This brings the thought of the extent of God's kindness (the word escapes me, obliging? as one would his child) toward Adam saying, "Adam, where are you?"

 

[Magenta]

This brings the thought of the extent of God's kindness (the word escapes me,
obliging? as one would his child) toward Adam saying, "Adam, where are you?"

I have likened God asking that question to Him informing Adam that he was now lost to God...
as it is certainly not an indication that God did not know where Adam was, or what he had done.

 

[Cameron143]

This brings the thought of the extent of God's kindness (the word escapes me, obliging? as one would his child) toward Adam saying, "Adam, where are you?"

The Greeks called it storge love...familial love.

 

[Mem]

I have likened God asking that question to Him informing Adam that he was now lost to God...
as it is certainly not an indication that God did not know where Adam was, or what he had done.

Yes, I see it that way also as an expression of God's awareness of Adam's lost state, but also letting Adam know that he was not without God's love in pursuit. God could have well left Adam to himself, and death.

 

[Mem]

The Greeks called it storge love...familial love.

I had to recite the entire alphabet enough time until I found all the letter to spell the word I was looking for... it was "indulge" him, although it is very likely that I had the difficulty thinking of the world because that isn't exactly the case here but, I was thinking of how I'd indulge my kids playing peekaboo, with "oops, where'd he go?" when they covered their eyes.

 

[Clayman]

Do Satan and his angels have access to heaven still? In Revelation 12 it looks like they might have already fought Michael the archangel, "neither was their place found any more in heaven" but it says in Ephesians 6:12, "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

It says in 1 Peter 5:8 that the devil walketh about seeking whom he may devour, and in Revelation 12:10 it says, "And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night." This may be describing something that already happened.

So if Satan and his angels already lost to Michael the archangel and his angels what are the "high places" in Ephesians 6:12? If I'm correct, not heaven, since it says in Revelation 12 "neither was their place found any more in heaven". Unless they can still access heaven while not having any "place" there. I don't know if that makes sense though. The ESV uses the words "heavenly places" instead of "high places" in Ephesians 6:12. It can't be both though, if by "neither was their place found any more in heaven" it means Satan and his angels no longer have access to heaven, then the high places in Ephesians 6:12 cannot be heaven (if Michael and his angels have already defeated Satan and his angels).

The way I see it there might be an issue posed by the ESV's usage of "heavenly places" if it is saying that our battle is against spiritual wickedness in heaven, since Revelation 12 might be saying that Satan and his angels no longer have access to heaven "neither was their place found any more in heaven".

Just curious as to people's thoughts on this.

My take on high places is the high places are of the world. I have trouble understanding the view that high places is heavenly places so agree that undue license is taken in the translation to make it heavenly places which it does not say. and the spiritually wicked are fallen angels who are in heaven, It makes no sense to me and I cant apply common sense practical application to this view point, where as I can give example after example of practical outworking or application if the spiritually wicked are men in high places or places of authority.

6:12, "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood,

Highlighting the spiritual battle we are in, for example we have Tvs in our houses, broadcasting untruth and anti God dogma which subtlety tries to coerce all of us to joining the world. So We do not load our guns and hide behind the door waiting for a flesh and blood battle.

but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world

As it simply says the rulers of this world. who are in darkness an idiom for those not saved and not those in the heavens. The principalities, we have principles running schools which follow the rulers like the government who in turn are teaching evolution in schools and removing bible in schools ,

against spiritual wickedness in high places."

I know we humans are physical beings but people seem to forget the fact we are created in Gods image and are also spiritual beings, and its the lust and the desires of the heart that cause physical sin. It might sound weird but people may even believe they are doing good and desire positions in high places like in the UN to help people accept the need to save us from global warming, to help combat the judgment against transgenders etc etc,

We could go on, but the point is men have wicked hearts and are in high places influencing the whole world and trying to get us all to conform to their leading, and this I believe is the reference to those wicked in high places.

 

[p_rehbein]

Does Satan still have access to Heaven? - GotQuestions.org
https://www.gotquestions.org/Satan-access.html
WebJan 4, 2022 · Here are some other facts to note: 1) Satan does not have open access to God’s presence. He is summoned by God. 2) The visits are temporary. His time before God’s throne is limited. 3) In no way is the purity of heaven tainted by the brief, God-ordained …

 

[Underwhosewings]

Revelation 12 might be saying that Satan and his angels no longer have access to heaven "neither was their place found any more in heaven".

Revelation 12, is “future” and happens during the second 3 1/2 years
of the 7 year period
before the Lord Jesus Christ
returns to the earth.

 

[Clayman]

Revelation 12, is “future” and happens during the second 3 1/2 years
of the 7 year period
before the Lord Jesus Christ
returns to the earth.

I think LeeLoving has a point, To me Revelation 12 is a vision that shows past events that also relate to future events, it shows the first advent of Christ which is a past event.

Do Satan and his angels have access to heaven still? .

The question itself already assumes the angels have fallen, I mean if they are still good angels and havnt sinned yet then they are still in heaven worshipping God, and if they have sinned then I would say no, they are not bowed down in heaven worshipping God, they no longer have access to heaven.

 

[Cameron143]

I think LeeLoving has a point, To me Revelation 12 is a vision that shows past events that also relate to future events, it shows the first advent of Christ which is a past event.
The question itself already assumes the angels have fallen, I mean if they are still good angels and havnt sinned yet then they are still in heaven worshipping God, and if they have sinned then I would say no, they are not bowed down in heaven worshipping God, they no longer have access to heaven.

You are correct about the events largely being in the past. The language of verse 1 is the language of Joseph's dream. Verse 2 is the nation of Israel being birthed in captivity. Verse 3 is the language of Daniel and refers to the Roman empire. Verse 4 deals with the birth of Jesus and the decree to kill babies 2 and under. And so forth.
Not understanding the language and how God has used it in the OT leads to alot of errors.

 

[BearerOfTheMorningStar]

The events of Revelation 12 have not yet occured, but they occur near the end of the world. In terms of Satan having access to heaven until then, yes, this is seen in book of Job. In terms of the fallen angels it's a matter of two groups of fallen angels, one that fell in the past near the time of the Flood (thus neccessitating the Flood in part). For these angels, no, they cannot access heaven nor the Earth, because they are in chains in hell right now, expressly bound in hell and unable to go anywhere reserved in chains of darkness until the end. The second group of angels that fall with Satan in the Apocalypse are to be presumed to still be in heaven and to be angels still, perhaps he has seduced some of them through time up there and some have already sided with him (based on the apostles warning that if even an angel of heaven brings a contrary Gospel than the true Gospel that they are accursed) or perhaps they will be seduced en masse close to the time of the end when Satan makes his fated futile gambit for the Throne. Either way it will be futile for Satan to make his war in the heavens and him and the angels that side with him gets flawlessly defeated, thwarted by the loyal holy angels led by Michael the archangel. When Satan and the Apocalyptic Fallen Angels are thrown down to the Earth, they will be on the Earth in those days for certain, it will not be possible to miss this event since Satan and a third of the entire angels that side with him will be openly on Earth and unable to go back up to heaven.

Think of it like this, God throws them down like a slab of meat is thrown down on to the counter to be prepared to be butchered and roasted. They won't be here long, only as long as the Man of Sin who enters a direct league with Satan himself reigns and that's only like a few years. Then Jesus returns and raising up the male virgins and with the legions of holy angels, he puts Satan's entire kingdom down. Even furthermore to boast against Satan and his stupid children eternally, Jesus and his army will even furthermore suffer zero casualties on his side, no wounded no dead in Jesus army at the last battle. Flawless victory for Jesus, the outcome called before it is has happened, and it will happen, Jesus will win, PRAISE JESUS!

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

It just dawned on me that Adam and Eve were the first to play Hide & Seek.

They did that while also being the first to sew

 

[Cameron143]

They did that while also being the first to sew

I guess it's true...
You reap what you sow and...
Wear what you sew.

 

[LeeLoving]

The high places is used in reference to the spiritual realm, wherein the "lower parts" are of an earthly, or natural, operation. Anyone can be "brought before God" at any given time, as all that would take is His attention directed at you. There's no hiding from Him.

So "high places" doesn't refer to heaven?

 

[Magenta]

So "high places" doesn't refer to heaven?

Those enemies of Christ who were originally from the celestial realm (wicked angels), which are as Mem says,
being spiritual, are of a higher order than the natural world. This is why we need the full armour of God.

2 Corinthians 10:4 plus Matthew 24:6~ The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds. You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come.

 

[birdie]

"And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven."

This scripture is just a piece of Rev 12. We apparently see Jesus is caught up to God and to his throne. I think this probably means Jesus goes to be with the Father on his right hand (he is resurrected and ascends into heaven). The woman fleeing into the wilderness is a picture of the true believers after that. We see that it is after Christ has ascended that the war takes place. It is not just Jesus (Michael) who fights but also his angels (true believers). This makes sense because Christ sends the Holy Spirit to empower true believers. Suddenly, they are in warfare with Satan and they are going to win. We read: "(For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds". This is the battle, most likely, that is being discussed. It is a battle during the church age, as it were. Finally, the unsaved who do not have God's spirit, are defeated. The true believers rejoice for the accusations of the enemy (Satan and his persons), saying that they have no right to be in heaven because of their sins, has no effect. They have had the blood of the Lamb atone for their sins.

 

[Adstar]

Do Satan and his angels have access to heaven still? In Revelation 12 it looks like they might have already fought Michael the archangel, "neither was their place found any more in heaven" but it says in Ephesians 6:12, "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

It says in 1 Peter 5:8 that the devil walketh about seeking whom he may devour, and in Revelation 12:10 it says, "And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night." This may be describing something that already happened.

So if Satan and his angels already lost to Michael the archangel and his angels what are the "high places" in Ephesians 6:12? If I'm correct, not heaven, since it says in Revelation 12 "neither was their place found any more in heaven". Unless they can still access heaven while not having any "place" there. I don't know if that makes sense though. The ESV uses the words "heavenly places" instead of "high places" in Ephesians 6:12. It can't be both though, if by "neither was their place found any more in heaven" it means Satan and his angels no longer have access to heaven, then the high places in Ephesians 6:12 cannot be heaven (if Michael and his angels have already defeated Satan and his angels).

The way I see it there might be an issue posed by the ESV's usage of "heavenly places" if it is saying that our battle is against spiritual wickedness in heaven, since Revelation 12 might be saying that Satan and his angels no longer have access to heaven "neither was their place found any more in heaven".

Just curious as to people's thoughts on this.

Since the book of Revelation is a book of prophecy.. It depends if the War in Heaven between Micheal and His angels and satan and his angels has taken place yet.. If not then satan still has access to Heaven..

I think that once satan and his angels are kicked out of heaven then the real end times will happen.. Because as the book of Revelation says satan will be filled with anger after He is kicked out of Heaven because He will know His time is short..