Who Justifieth the Ungodly

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They were loved

do you know that Scripture tells us "God is love" ... And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him - 1 John 4:16.

So of course God loves ... that does not change the fact that you teach "another gospel".

Here is what you said, brightfame52:

God Loved Jacob and hated esau before they had any being or existence

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I have given you more than one opportunity to acknowledge that your statement is error ... and, thus far, you will not acknowledge the truth of Scripture:

I have shown you from Scripture that your statement is in error:

Romans 9:10-13 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac; (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth; ) It was said unto her [Rebecca], The elder shall serve the younger.

What God told Rebecca while Jacob and Esau were still in utero (which means they had "being" and "existence") is written in Genesis 25:

Genesis 25:22-23 And the children struggled together within her; and she said, If it be so, why am I thus? And she went to enquire of the LORD. And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.

God did not state that He hated Esau "before they had any being or existence". That statement was written in Malachi 1 ... long after Esau was dead and buried:

Malachi 1:2-3 I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob, And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.

When will you acknowledge what the Author of Scripture has written ??? ... and stop making up scenarios of your own vain imagining in your futile attempt to align Scripture with your erroneous dogma ???


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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you reject the Truth of the Gospel

nope ... I reject "the gospel of brightfame52" ...

No, those He died for do not have to believe it, accept itor do anything but continue being ungodly sinners

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and here's a newsflash for you, brightfame52 ... you teach another gospel:

Galatians 1:6-9 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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[brightfame52]

I reject "the gospel of brightfame52":

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You reject the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the accomplishment of His finished Work !

 

[brightfame52]

do you know that Scripture tells us "God is love" ... And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him - 1 John 4:16.

So of course God loves ... that does not change the fact that you teach "another gospel".

Here is what you said, brightfame52:

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I have given you more than one opportunity to acknowledge that your statement is error ... and, thus far, you will not acknowledge the truth of Scripture:

I have shown you from Scripture that your statement is in error:

Romans 9:10-13 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac; (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth; ) It was said unto her [Rebecca], The elder shall serve the younger.

What God told Rebecca while Jacob and Esau were still in utero (which means they had "being" and "existence") is written in Genesis 25:

Genesis 25:22-23 And the children struggled together within her; and she said, If it be so, why am I thus? And she went to enquire of the LORD. And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.

God did not state that He hated Esau "before they had any being or existence". That statement was written in Malachi 1 ... long after Esau was dead and buried:

Malachi 1:2-3 I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob, And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.

When will you acknowledge what the Author of Scripture has written ??? ... and stop making up scenarios of your own vain imagining in your futile attempt to align Scripture with your erroneous dogma ???


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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Again God Loved the elect of God in Christ before the foundation of the world, before they had any existence, before they were in their mothers womb. Jer 1:5

5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

 

[brightfame52]

nope ... I reject "the gospel of brightfame52" ...

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and here's a newsflash for you, brightfame52 ... you teach another gospel:

Galatians 1:6-9 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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You still rejecting the Truth of the Gospel, which is unbelief.

 

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You reject the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the accomplishment of His finished Work !

nope ... I reject your manipulation of Scripture wherein you change the gospel of Jesus Christ from:

Romans 10:9-11 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.​

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1 Corinthians 15:1-4 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures​

to:

No, those He died for do not have to believe it, accept itor do anything but continue being ungodly sinners

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READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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Again God Loved

... still won't admit your error ... God never said He hated Esau before Esau was born as you claimed:

brightfame52 said: God Loved Jacob and hated esau before they had any being or existence​

here is what God said:

Romans 9:10-13 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac; (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth; ) It was said unto her [Rebecca], The elder shall serve the younger.

What God told Rebecca while Jacob and Esau were still in utero (which means they had "being" and "existence") is written in Genesis 25:

Genesis 25:22-23 And the children struggled together within her; and she said, If it be so, why am I thus? And she went to enquire of the LORD. And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.

God did not state that He hated Esau "before they had any being or existence". That statement was written in Malachi 1 ... long after Esau was dead and buried:

Malachi 1:2-3 I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob, And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.

When will you acknowledge what the Author of Scripture has written ??? ... and stop making up scenarios of your own vain imagining in your futile attempt to align Scripture with your erroneous dogma ???


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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You still rejecting the Truth of the Gospel

... rejecting your erroneous dogma is not "rejecting the Truth of the Gospel". That you hold your erroneous dogma as equal to Scripture is ludicrous:

what brightfame52 says:

No, those He died for do not have to believe it, accept itor do anything but continue being ungodly sinners

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what God's Word says:

Romans 10:9-11 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.​

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John 5:10-14 The Jews therefore said unto him that was cured, It is the sabbath day: it is not lawful for thee to carry thy bed. He answered them, He that made me whole, the same said unto me, Take up thy bed, and walk. Then asked they him, What man is that which said unto thee, Take up thy bed, and walk? And he that was healed wist not who it was: for Jesus had conveyed himself away, a multitude being in that place. Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.​

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John 8:10-11 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.​

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Romans 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.​

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your erroneous dogma fails when scrutinized under the light of Scripture ...


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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[brightfame52]

nope ... I reject your manipulation of Scripture wherein you change the gospel of Jesus Christ from:

Romans 10:9-11 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.​

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1 Corinthians 15:1-4 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures​

to:

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READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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Yes you do reject the Gospel of Gods Grace and the accomplishment of Christs Death for the sins of His People.

And thats right, to be Justified before God one doesnt have to do anything but be a ungodly sinner if Christ has put away their sins by the sacrifice of Himself for them. Thats Gospel Truth

 

[brightfame52]

... still won't admit your error ... God never said He hated Esau before Esau was born as you claimed:

brightfame52 said: God Loved Jacob and hated esau before they had any being or existence​

here is what God said:

Romans 9:10-13 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac; (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth; ) It was said unto her [Rebecca], The elder shall serve the younger.

What God told Rebecca while Jacob and Esau were still in utero (which means they had "being" and "existence") is written in Genesis 25:

Genesis 25:22-23 And the children struggled together within her; and she said, If it be so, why am I thus? And she went to enquire of the LORD. And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.

God did not state that He hated Esau "before they had any being or existence". That statement was written in Malachi 1 ... long after Esau was dead and buried:

Malachi 1:2-3 I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob, And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.

When will you acknowledge what the Author of Scripture has written ??? ... and stop making up scenarios of your own vain imagining in your futile attempt to align Scripture with your erroneous dogma ???


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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God Loved His People Chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world, prior to them having any physical existence at all, before they were ever formed in the womb.

And Likewise for the ones He hated, the non elect !

 

[brightfame52]

... rejecting your erroneous dogma is not "rejecting the Truth of the Gospel". That you hold your erroneous dogma as equal to Scripture is ludicrous:

what brightfame52 says:

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what God's Word says:

Romans 10:9-11 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.​

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John 5:10-14 The Jews therefore said unto him that was cured, It is the sabbath day: it is not lawful for thee to carry thy bed. He answered them, He that made me whole, the same said unto me, Take up thy bed, and walk. Then asked they him, What man is that which said unto thee, Take up thy bed, and walk? And he that was healed wist not who it was: for Jesus had conveyed himself away, a multitude being in that place. Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.​

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John 8:10-11 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.​

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Romans 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.​

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your erroneous dogma fails when scrutinized under the light of Scripture ...


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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You still rejecting the Truth of the Gospel, which is unbelief !

 

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to be Justified before God one doesnt have to do anything but be a ungodly sinner

... more of your re-writing of Scripture

Romans 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

God imputed righteousness to Abraham when Abraham believed ...
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still won't admit your error in claiming "God Loved Jacob and hated esau before they had any being or existence"

here is what God said:

Romans 9:10-13 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac; (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth; ) It was said unto her [Rebecca], The elder shall serve the younger.

What God told Rebecca while Jacob and Esau were still in utero (which means they had "being" and "existence") is written in Genesis 25:

Genesis 25:22-23 And the children struggled together within her; and she said, If it be so, why am I thus? And she went to enquire of the LORD. And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.

God did not state that He hated Esau "before they had any being or existence". That statement was written in Malachi 1 ... long after Esau was dead and buried:

Malachi 1:2-3 I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob, And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.

When will you acknowledge what the Author of Scripture has written ??? ... and stop making up scenarios of your own vain imagining in your futile attempt to align Scripture with your erroneous dogma ???


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
.

 

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You still rejecting the Truth of the Gospel

... rejecting your erroneous dogma is not "rejecting the Truth of the Gospel". That you hold your erroneous dogma as equal to Scripture is ludicrous:

what brightfame52 says:

No, those He died for do not have to believe it, accept itor do anything but continue being ungodly sinners

what God's Word says:

Romans 10:9-11 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.​

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John 5:10-14 The Jews therefore said unto him that was cured, It is the sabbath day: it is not lawful for thee to carry thy bed. He answered them, He that made me whole, the same said unto me, Take up thy bed, and walk. Then asked they him, What man is that which said unto thee, Take up thy bed, and walk? And he that was healed wist not who it was: for Jesus had conveyed himself away, a multitude being in that place. Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.​

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John 8:10-11 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.​

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Romans 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.​

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your erroneous dogma fails when scrutinized under the light of Scripture ...


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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[brightfame52]

... more of your re-writing of Scripture

Romans 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

God imputed righteousness to Abraham when Abraham believed ...
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You deny the Justifying efficacy of Christs death, thats a denial of the Gospel.

 

[brightfame52]

still won't admit your error in claiming "God Loved Jacob and hated esau before they had any being or existence"

here is what God said:

Romans 9:10-13 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac; (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth; ) It was said unto her [Rebecca], The elder shall serve the younger.

What God told Rebecca while Jacob and Esau were still in utero (which means they had "being" and "existence") is written in Genesis 25:

Genesis 25:22-23 And the children struggled together within her; and she said, If it be so, why am I thus? And she went to enquire of the LORD. And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.

God did not state that He hated Esau "before they had any being or existence". That statement was written in Malachi 1 ... long after Esau was dead and buried:

Malachi 1:2-3 I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob, And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.

When will you acknowledge what the Author of Scripture has written ??? ... and stop making up scenarios of your own vain imagining in your futile attempt to align Scripture with your erroneous dogma ???


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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God Loved the elect before they were born, and didnt love but hated the non elect before they were born.

 

[brightfame52]

... rejecting your erroneous dogma is not "rejecting the Truth of the Gospel". That you hold your erroneous dogma as equal to Scripture is ludicrous:

what brightfame52 says:

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what God's Word says:

Romans 10:9-11 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.​

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John 5:10-14 The Jews therefore said unto him that was cured, It is the sabbath day: it is not lawful for thee to carry thy bed. He answered them, He that made me whole, the same said unto me, Take up thy bed, and walk. Then asked they him, What man is that which said unto thee, Take up thy bed, and walk? And he that was healed wist not who it was: for Jesus had conveyed himself away, a multitude being in that place. Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.​

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John 8:10-11 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.​

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Romans 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.​

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your erroneous dogma fails when scrutinized under the light of Scripture ...


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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You still rejecting the efficacy of Christs Death, those He died for were Justified before God by His death while they were ungodly ! Rom 4:5

5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

I showed you what Gill wrote:

but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly: or that ungodly one: particular reference is had to Abraham, who in his state of unregeneracy was an ungodly person; as all God's elect are in a state of nature, and are such when God justifies them, being without a righteousness of their own; wherefore he imputes the righteousness of another, even that of his own Son, unto them: and though he justifies the ungodly, he does not justify their ungodliness, but them from it; nor will he, nor does he leave them to live and die in it; now to him that worketh not, that is perfect righteousness; or has no opportunity of working at all; or what he does, he does not do, that he might be justified by it; but exercises faith on God as justifying persons, who, like himself, are sinners, ungodly and destitute of a righteousness:

his faith is counted for righteousness; not the act, but the object of it; which was Abraham's case,

 

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You deny

you deny Scripture ...

the "gospel of brightfame52" ...

No, those He died for do not have to believe it, accept itor do anything but continue being ungodly sinners

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... and then you double down ...

to be Justified before God one doesnt have to do anything but be a ungodly sinner

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what Scripture tells us:

Romans 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.​

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God imputed righteousness to Abraham when Abraham believed ...​

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Romans 10:9-11 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.​

The word "confess" is translated from the Greek word homologeó which means to say the same thing. When a person hears the Word of God, he or she can then "confess" (say the same thing as what God's Word says) and believe in his or her heart. However, the believer must say the same thing as God's Word in order for the hearer to "confess". What you preach, brightfame52, is not what is written in Scripture.​

John 5:10-14 The Jews therefore said unto him that was cured, It is the sabbath day: it is not lawful for thee to carry thy bed. He answered them, He that made me whole, the same said unto me, Take up thy bed, and walk. Then asked they him, What man is that which said unto thee, Take up thy bed, and walk? And he that was healed wist not who it was: for Jesus had conveyed himself away, a multitude being in that place. Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.​

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John 8:10-11 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.​

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Romans 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.​

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God's Word ... go and sin no more ... let not sin reign in your mortal body. ​

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brightfame52 ... "continue being ungodly sinners" ... "be a ungodly sinner" ... ​

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brightfame52 preaches another gospel ... ​

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I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed - Galatians 1:6-8​

READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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but hated the non elect before they were born.

I showed you that God never said "God Loved Jacob and hated esau before they had any being or existence".

here is what God said:

Romans 9:10-13 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac; (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth; ) It was said unto her [Rebecca], The elder shall serve the younger.

What God told Rebecca while Jacob and Esau were still in utero (which means they had "being" and "existence") is written in Genesis 25:

Genesis 25:22-23 And the children struggled together within her; and she said, If it be so, why am I thus? And she went to enquire of the LORD. And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.

God did not state that He hated Esau "before they had any being or existence". That statement was written in Malachi 1 ... long after Esau was dead and buried:

Malachi 1:2-3 I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob, And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.

When will you acknowledge what the Author of Scripture has written ??? ... and stop making up scenarios of your own vain imagining in your futile attempt to align Scripture with your erroneous dogma ???


you reject God's Word ... just like Romans 1 warns us ...

Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold [Greek katechó] the truth in unrighteousness

The words "who hold" are translated from he Greek word katecho which means to suppress, to restrain. You suppress/restrain the truth in unrighteousness when you continue to claim that God "hated Esau before [he] had any being or existence" because what God told Rebecca when Jacob and Esau were in utero (so clearly they had "being" and "existence") was the elder shall serve the younger. God did not state that He hated Esau at that point in time.
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I showed you what Gill wrote:

well, well, well ... look what your good best friend Gill wrote:

his faith is counted for righteousness; not the act, but the object of it; which was Abraham's case, and therefore was not justified by works.​

https://biblehub.com/commentaries/romans/4-5.htm​

which is what I have been telling you for months ...

It is not faith that saved. It is the OBJECT of faith Who saves ... the on Him that justifieth the ungodly is Who saves. Him that justifieth the ungodly imputes righteousness on those who believe when they believe ... not before they believe.

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Faith is not "worthless". It is the Object of faith which determines the outcome. The more we utilize our faith to believe a lie, the worse off we are. The faith one uses in believing the lie is not "worthless" ... it is the lie that is "worthless".

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the Object of "our Faith, Namely Christ, hath Justified us and made us Righteous."

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It is the Object of our faith which determines our salvation.

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I've said it before and I will say it again, it is the OBJECT of faith Who justifies. God is the One Who justifies.

since you won't believe me ... maybe you'll believe your buddy, John Gill ...
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